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repentance without conviction - 11/8/2008 4:19:08 PM
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Prairiehiker
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Can there be true repentance without inner conviction? There were things that I was raised to think that were sins, but I am not sure now if they are sins. I use to repent of them before, but now, I ask God to convict me so I can truly repent.
So, can you repent when you don't even believe, and not fully convicted that your actions are sinful?
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RE: repentance without conviction - 11/8/2008 4:25:21 PM
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If you are not being convicted by the Holy Spirit, and cannot find it as a sin in the bible, then in all likelihood it is not a sin. Man has a tendency to add things that they think are sins, which is in effect adding to the word of God. When it comes to such activities, ask yourself if it is something that Jesus would participate in. That is the how you can determine the extent of whether it is sinful or not.
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RE: repentance without conviction - 11/8/2008 7:32:16 PM
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If you are not being convicted by the Holy Spirit, and cannot find it as a sin in the bible, then in all likelihood it is not a sin. Man has a tendency to add things that they think are sins, which is in effect adding to the word of God. When it comes to such activities, ask yourself if it is something that Jesus would participate in. That is the how you can determine the extent of whether it is sinful or not.
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RE: repentance without conviction - 11/8/2008 8:04:28 PM
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Of course, you know that to repent is to "turn from" something. I can repent of eating milk products. I have. I am allergic. Eating milk products was not sinful, but I have quit. I can repent of drinking wine. Drinking wine without excess is not a sin, but I can still repent from drinking wine. I can repent of stealing. Stealing is a sin, and I can still repent from stealing.
But I know what you mean in another way, too. I was taught, in the church I attended for way too long, that wearing jewelry was a sin. I repented from that false teaching and now wear a wedding band, along with other jewelry.
They also taught that drinking any amount of wine was a sin. I repented of that and had drank wine some time ago. They taught that going to movies was a sin, playing cards was a sin, women wearing pants was a sin, and much more. I repented of those teachings and started doing all of these! 
When congregation leaders teach that something is a sin, and the Bible does not say it is, they have added to the Word and will be judged for that.
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RE: repentance without conviction - 11/8/2008 8:45:46 PM
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So, can you repent when you don't even believe, and not fully convicted that your actions are sinful?
I think that respect sometimes works that way. Growing up, my parents filled me up with a whole bunch of "supposed to/not supposed to"s, i don't know what they were trying to teach me, but it didn't work.
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RE: repentance without conviction - 11/8/2008 9:35:22 PM
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ORIGINAL: Prairiehiker
Can there be true repentance without inner conviction? There were things that I was raised to think that were sins, but I am not sure now if they are sins. I use to repent of them before, but now, I ask God to convict me so I can truly repent.
So, can you repent when you don't even believe, and not fully convicted that your actions are sinful?
Repentance is about our hearts, not our heads. So what we do or don't understand is not significant. It is what we know in our hearts. Our human minds are finite, limited in understanding. Our hearts can be way ahead of our minds. And, praise the Lord, He knows.
So the answer is YES you can repent when you don't 'think' you believe and 'don't think' your actions are sinful. God honors your heart---judges by the inward, heart attitude not the outward, external 'knowing'.
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RE: repentance without conviction - 11/9/2008 1:03:38 AM
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So, can you repent when you don't even believe, and not fully convicted that your actions are sinful?
You can only have true repentance when the Holy Spirit convicts you of the sin.
Other than that if you abstain by your own will, you have created a 'law' in you life.
IOW if you believe it to be sin and obstain with no conviction: It is a law and not truth
And as a reminder Ph it was the law Jesus died for to set you free. The law only brings death.
Stay free and lawless, He loves you
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RE: repentance without conviction - 11/9/2008 6:57:09 AM
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Personal opinion here:
I think when we repent on our own, without the HS conviction, we a re doomed to pick it back up and do that which we repented of doing. WE made a decision to "turn from" something. We can just as easily decide to turn back to it. When the HS convicts, there is no doubt about what He says to do. God knows our hearts and operates within His own timing for His own reasons. People can tell us that this or that is wrong and we may decide to stop doing something, that is not the same as God saying STOP.
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RE: repentance without conviction - 11/9/2008 8:35:45 AM
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
Personal opinion here:
I think when we repent on our own, without the HS conviction, we a re doomed to pick it back up and do that which we repented of doing. WE made a decision to "turn from" something. We can just as easily decide to turn back to it. When the HS convicts, there is no doubt about what He says to do. God knows our hearts and operates within His own timing for His own reasons. People can tell us that this or that is wrong and we may decide to stop doing something, that is not the same as God saying STOP.
Excellent point diliveredarling, repentance comes after conviction by the Holy Spirit, and repentance can only happen by the Spirit of God living in us and our Faith in God and His Word that we can repent.
On our own without God; we are doomed to fail for we are servants to sin;
(Rom 6:16) Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
(Rom 6:17) But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
(Rom 6:18) Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
But as Believers we are to be servant of righteousness through Jesus Christ.
(Gal 2:20) I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
So the Holy Spirit brings conviction and only through our Faith in Christ can repentance by real.
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RE: repentance without conviction - 11/9/2008 10:30:40 AM
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ORIGINAL: Prairiehiker
Can there be true repentance without inner conviction? There were things that I was raised to think that were sins, but I am not sure now if they are sins. I use to repent of them before, but now, I ask God to convict me so I can truly repent.
So, can you repent when you don't even believe, and not fully convicted that your actions are sinful?
The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin. Sin is the cause and sins are the effect. "Sin" has to do with what man is; whereas "sins" have to do with what a man does...and we are all masters of detaching what we do from what we are.
We can readily admit that what we have done is wrong and be sorry for it, without admitting that what we have done is a result of what we are. Repentance humbly admits not only that what we have done is wrong, but that what we have done is the consequence of what we are. The result of repentance is that what we are is replaced by what God is. Repentance always says, "I can't, but Christ can."
True repentance is stepping out of independence back into dependence upon Christ and His sufficiency...and every area of our lives in which we have not yet learned to be dependent, is an area of our lives in which we have not yet repented.
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RE: repentance without conviction - 11/10/2008 6:48:58 AM
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They also taught that drinking any amount of wine was a sin. I repented of that and had drank wine some time ago. They taught that going to movies was a sin, playing cards was a sin, women wearing pants was a sin, and much more. I repented of those teachings and started doing all of these!
When congregation leaders teach that something is a sin, and the Bible does not say it is, they have added to the Word and will be judged for that. Paul writes to the believers in Rome "Whatever is not from faith is sin" (Rom 14.23) so if someone teaches us that xyz is sinful and we believe it, it becomes sinful to us because it cannot be done in faith. I would suggest that this extends to things specifically allowed or even commanded in scripture. That puts is in the devil's connundrum where we are *** if we do and *** if we don't. The sin is not the action but the lack of faith.
Of course the Holy Spirit will NOT convict us of all those extra sins because they are not HIS definition of sin. What we get is condemnation from the devil.
We end up "repenting" from the WRONG thing - the action rather than the lack of faith. That does not work too well.
That is why it is VITAL for believers to understand what is and what is NOT sin from the scriptures.
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RE: repentance without conviction - 11/10/2008 6:54:32 AM
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Paul writes to the believers in Rome "Whatever is not from faith is sin" (Rom 14.23) so if someone teaches us that xyz is sinful and we believe it, it becomes sinful to us because it cannot be done in faith. I would suggest that this extends to things specifically allowed or even commanded in scripture. That puts is in the devil's connundrum where we are *** if we do and *** if we don't. The sin is not the action but the lack of faith.
Of course the Holy Spirit will NOT convict us of all those extra sins because they are not HIS definition of sin. What we get is condemnation from the devil.
We end up "repenting" from the WRONG thing - the action rather than the lack of faith. That does not work too well.
That is why it is VITAL for believers to understand what is and what is NOT sin from the scriptures.
What an incredibly awesome point!
< Message edited by deliveredarling -- 11/10/2008 7:48:57 AM >
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RE: repentance without conviction - 11/10/2008 1:05:59 PM
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ORIGINAL: DaveW
That is why it is VITAL for believers to understand what is and what is NOT sin from the scriptures.
Amein!
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RE: repentance without conviction - 11/10/2008 4:33:49 PM
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ORIGINAL: Prairiehiker
Can there be true repentance without inner conviction? There were things that I was raised to think that were sins, but I am not sure now if they are sins. I use to repent of them before, but now, I ask God to convict me so I can truly repent.
So, can you repent when you don't even believe, and not fully convicted that your actions are sinful?
The Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin. Sin is the cause and sins are the effect. "Sin" has to do with what man is; whereas "sins" have to do with what a man does...and we are all masters of detaching what we do from what we are.
We can readily admit that what we have done is wrong and be sorry for it, without admitting that what we have done is a result of what we are. Repentance humbly admits not only that what we have done is wrong, but that what we have done is the consequence of what we are. The result of repentance is that what we are is replaced by what God is. Repentance always says, "I can't, but Christ can."
True repentance is stepping out of independence back into dependence upon Christ and His sufficiency...and every area of our lives in which we have not yet learned to be dependent, is an area of our lives in which we have not yet repented.
Peace
Oh, URF, once again you speak so well what I know in my heart to be true but have such a struggle putting into words. You're kind of like the Holy Spirit---giving me the words I long for. That's what happens when we're bound in Him. I thank the Lord for you, my friend!  LL
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