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Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/3/2009 4:50:51 PM   
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Barack Obama made a lot of promises during his two-year campaign for change.

He pledged to reform the health care system, wind down the war in Iraq, ramp up the war in Afghanistan, change the way the international community views the United States ... all while keeping a sharp eye on spending and shielding the middle class from tax increases.

With the president coming up on the one-year mark since his election, now's a good time to take a look at his track record.


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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/4/2009 8:12:44 AM   
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Pledge: "Obama will create a foreclosure prevention fund to help people facing foreclosure stay in their homes and renegotiate with their lenders or sell their homes." -- Obama campaign policy paper

Verdict: Promise Kept. Obama in February announced a $75 billion foreclosure prevention plan aimed at keeping millions of families in their homes. It was bigger than anticipated and more expensive, drawing its funding from the Wall Street bailout as well as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The plan, though, has gotten off to a slow start with only a fraction of eligible borrowers reportedly participating.


So, this is a promise kept, but its just ineffective....hokay.

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Pledge: "I would send two to three additional brigades to Afghanistan." -- Obama, during a Sept. 26, 2008, debate at the University of Mississippi

Verdict: Promise Kept. Since taking office, Obama has ordered 21,000 troops to Afghanistan. He ordered two brigades to the battlefield in February, and then announced an additional 4,000 troops during a strategy address in March. However, the administration is now mulling Gen. Stanley McChrystal's request for an additional 40,000 troops. As Obama and his security team reassess strategy for the Afghanistan war, it's unclear whether McChrystal's request will be granted.


Ok, he promised to send troops...but the general in charge said more is needed..and he waffles. A promise kept, but once again, not enough or effective.

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Pledge: "In the first 100 days of my administration, I will travel to a major Islamic forum and deliver an address to redefine our struggle. I will make clear that we are not at war with Islam." -- Obama, during an Aug. 1, 2007, speech in Washington, D.C.

Verdict: Promise Kept. In early April, Obama delivered an address to the Turkish parliament in which he declared the United States "is not and will never be at war with Islam." Obama gave a similar address in Cairo in June.


Fine...but the thing is our ars were never against islam anyways...so a promise kept, that was a lie.

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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/4/2009 8:18:59 AM   
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Actually that record isn't that bad looking at the numbers. Now ranking them by priority it becomes a little less impressive. For example I can't stand government spending so that would skewer a respectable list and make it worse for me. Republicans love government spending so they should like that list more than I do.

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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/4/2009 11:59:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1

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Pledge: "Obama will create a foreclosure prevention fund to help people facing foreclosure stay in their homes and renegotiate with their lenders or sell their homes." -- Obama campaign policy paper

Verdict: Promise Kept. Obama in February announced a $75 billion foreclosure prevention plan aimed at keeping millions of families in their homes. It was bigger than anticipated and more expensive, drawing its funding from the Wall Street bailout as well as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. The plan, though, has gotten off to a slow start with only a fraction of eligible borrowers reportedly participating.


So, this is a promise kept, but its just ineffective....hokay.

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Pledge: "I would send two to three additional brigades to Afghanistan." -- Obama, during a Sept. 26, 2008, debate at the University of Mississippi

Verdict: Promise Kept. Since taking office, Obama has ordered 21,000 troops to Afghanistan. He ordered two brigades to the battlefield in February, and then announced an additional 4,000 troops during a strategy address in March. However, the administration is now mulling Gen. Stanley McChrystal's request for an additional 40,000 troops. As Obama and his security team reassess strategy for the Afghanistan war, it's unclear whether McChrystal's request will be granted.


Ok, he promised to send troops...but the general in charge said more is needed..and he waffles. A promise kept, but once again, not enough or effective.

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Pledge: "In the first 100 days of my administration, I will travel to a major Islamic forum and deliver an address to redefine our struggle. I will make clear that we are not at war with Islam." -- Obama, during an Aug. 1, 2007, speech in Washington, D.C.

Verdict: Promise Kept. In early April, Obama delivered an address to the Turkish parliament in which he declared the United States "is not and will never be at war with Islam." Obama gave a similar address in Cairo in June.


Fine...but the thing is our ars were never against islam anyways...so a promise kept, that was a lie.

Yes, but, yes, but yes, but, yes but, yes, but, yes, but yes, but, yes but...........

I'm surprised he grades out as well as he does. Any President that accomplishes all major promises in one year is either under-reaching or the Antichrist.

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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/4/2009 12:05:17 PM   
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Any President that accomplishes all major promises in one year is either under-reaching or the Antichrist.


Yep..............

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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/4/2009 6:04:02 PM   
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...overall, I'd say he matches up well againt any other President's first year in office.
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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/4/2009 8:54:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1

Ok, he promised to send troops...but the general in charge said more is needed..and he waffles. A promise kept, but once again, not enough or effective.


Question: When does a general not want more troops?
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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/4/2009 9:14:16 PM   
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Republicans love government spending so they should like that list more than I do.


Today, sadly this is true and has destroyed the party.

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Question: When does a general not want more troops?


When the war is run by generals, not politicians.

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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/4/2009 9:43:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1

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Republicans love government spending so they should like that list more than I do.


Today, sadly this is true and has destroyed the party.

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Question: When does a general not want more troops?


When the war is run by generals, not politicians.


Generals always want more troops. Barring clandestine work, more troops means easier decisions and better results.
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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/5/2009 1:28:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: huangshan

Generals always want more troops. Barring clandestine work, more troops means easier decisions and better results.


Generals, at least in the United States military, don't always want more troops. It depends on the task at hand. They also may want more "troops" and/or specialized forces for clandestine operations; there again, depending on the mission objective. There are many factors in an operation, not the least of which is logistics, that determine mission prerequisites. It's more complicated than your simplistic overview.

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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/5/2009 10:14:03 AM   
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Is there a difference? President Obama has pretty much stayed in campaign mode since taking office. Somebody really needs to remind the man that he won the election....

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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/5/2009 10:31:37 AM   
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Aw...... You took the words right out of my mouth. But hey, I found this comment that might explain it on a NewsBusters page:
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Surprised?...don't be.
November 4, 2009 - 12:12 ET by vrwc13
Surprised?...don't be.

Diagnostic criteria

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition, DSM IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines narcissistic personality disorder:A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

has a grandiose sense of self-importance
is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty or ideal love (megalomania)
believes they are "special" and can only be understood by, or should associate with, people (or institutions) who are also "special" or of high status
requires excessive admiration
has a sense of entitlement
is interpersonally exploitative
lacks empathy
is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her
shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes
(extra credit) like Nero, watched himself on t.v. while his party was burning
...the man in the Whitehouse scores a perfect 10! Surprised?

v

...an error was made in 2008


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2009/11/04/obama-watched-hbo-special-about-himself-instead-election-results


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ORIGINAL: tafkam

Is there a difference? President Obama has pretty much stayed in campaign mode since taking office. Somebody really needs to remind the man that he won the election....


< Message edited by davemiller7 -- 11/5/2009 10:37:40 AM >


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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/5/2009 2:00:06 PM   
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While considering this thread, something popped into my head. (Ta-da..... drum roll......) The Peter Principle applies to this guy. You remember The Peter Principle - promoting a person to the level of his incompetence? I think it applies here. He might have been competent as a "community organizer," but in way over his head as President.
http://www.envisionsoftware.com/articles/Peter_Principle.html

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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/5/2009 2:50:25 PM   
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I have relatives that have government jobs and the thing I
noticed decades ago is that when they need help they make
sure they hire a more incompetent person than themselves.

In the free market, you hire someone more competent people
than yourself. That's how smart people operate. If you have
the money, you just hire smarter people.

< Message edited by Lapidoth -- 11/5/2009 2:58:02 PM >


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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/5/2009 4:33:36 PM   
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Whenever I had management/supervisory responsibilities, I always prayed to find someone smarter than me to hire. If they were smart and did good work, it made me look good too. Everybody wins.

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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth

I have relatives that have government jobs and the thing I
noticed decades ago is that when they need help they make
sure they hire a more incompetent person than themselves.

In the free market, you hire someone more competent people
than yourself. That's how smart people operate. If you have
the money, you just hire smarter people.


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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/8/2009 9:52:01 AM   
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ORIGINAL: huangshan

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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1

Ok, he promised to send troops...but the general in charge said more is needed..and he waffles. A promise kept, but once again, not enough or effective.


Question: When does a general not want more troops?


When they are not needed to accomplish the objective set by the Commander in Chief.

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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/11/2009 9:39:50 AM   
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I have relatives that have government jobs and the thing I
noticed decades ago is that when they need help they make
sure they hire a more incompetent person than themselves.

In the free market, you hire someone more competent people
than yourself. That's how smart people operate. If you have
the money, you just hire smarter people.


Actually, that's how wise, competent, humble people operate. Businesses are full of people who are proud and stupid. You don't think there are businesses where people get hired/promoted for being buddies with the boss or telling him whatever he wants to hear or just being willing to work for less than everybody else?

-Dan.

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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/11/2009 12:22:17 PM   
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You don't think there are businesses where people get hired/promoted for being buddies with the boss or telling him whatever he wants to hear or just being willing to work for less than everybody else?


Yes, there are, but in the private sector, they usually don't last very long. In the government, however, they are promoted to infinity.

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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/11/2009 12:25:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: its_GO_time

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You don't think there are businesses where people get hired/promoted for being buddies with the boss or telling him whatever he wants to hear or just being willing to work for less than everybody else?


Yes, there are, but in the private sector, they usually don't last very long. In the government, however, they are promoted to infinity.


Ditto.

The Contrast is evident to the wise.

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RE: Candidate Obama vs. President Obama - 11/11/2009 2:38:33 PM   
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It's the Peter Principle at work........
http://www.envisionsoftware.com/articles/Peter_Principle.html

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ORIGINAL: its_GO_time

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You don't think there are businesses where people get hired/promoted for being buddies with the boss or telling him whatever he wants to hear or just being willing to work for less than everybody else?


Yes, there are, but in the private sector, they usually don't last very long. In the government, however, they are promoted to infinity.


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