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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 12:51:43 PM
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herestoresmysoul
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I believe women should dress modestly and men need to control themselves.
I really wish this is where more people were coming from on this thread!
A man should understand that he CANNOT blame women (even women who are in sin) for his own failures.
A woman should understand that she CANNOT blame men (even men who are in sin) for her failures.
Amen. We are both supposed to obey what The Bible says on this subject.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 12:53:51 PM
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herestoresmysoul
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Every time you or anyone makes a statement to the effect of "Men are responsible for their thoughts BUT women shouldn't dress like they do and tempt them" there is, at least IMO, some amount of blame-shifting.
And that was really my point in saying several posts ago that women sin when they dress immodestly because they are disobeying God - period. That is why we teach our daughters and those less mature in the faith with whom we have a relationship to make sure all the 'important parts'  are covered at all times. Whether in church or out. Because the focus should be on obeying God. Not that we shouldn't have consideration for other believers and in more areas than just this one but obeying God is the most important thing.
Exactly!! And that's what I was trying to get at w/ my long-winded post.
If we measure the success of our efforts in obeying God, by whether or not someone else sins as a response to our action (or restraint from acting), then we are doomed!
But ... from what I understand, we are still credited with having done something righteous (not for the purpose of salvation but for the purpose of living out the truth that we are now saved and are being sanctified) when we obey God as a love-filled response to His commands --- regardless of what others think, say, or do in response to our faith-act. (See Romans 4 - particularly verses 20-25.)
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Putting any of the responsibility for what men think on those we have influence over is wrong and just makes the kind of mess this thread, and all the others like it, became/
I agree.
The way I think about it is this: Being aware of what men stumble over about women and their bodies, I am more equipped to help them not stumble. I am not responsible for their thoughts and actions. But I can do the loving thing to help them as much as is in my power and control to do so. I may have rights to do certain things, but to exercise those rights may not be beneficial, may not be sacrificially loving, may not be wise. And part of loving and obeying God is doing what benefits His kingdom, His family, so that together we glorify Christ and make Him known. When my efforts to dress and present myself modestly are about these things, then I believe I will please God.... no matter how many people give me the seal of their approval. I am to fear (be in awe of, respect, reverence) God, not people. His appraisal is the one I am to seek. And if others praise me for modesty, then the credit is His, for the work in me is His.
elena you said it very well. We are to do this to please God as well as to help our fellow Christians.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 12:57:32 PM
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herestoresmysoul
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We both feel that this attitude really demeans men. It says, they are animals that are unable to control themselves. Women, we must take care of the poor dears because they are too hormonally driven to do it themselves. I think it is insulting to men.
Wow, do I ever agree with this. I have a far higher opinion of the godly men I know, both online and off (some of whom are posting in this thread  ), than some seem to have. And that's one of the reasons I so hate for them to pass off their responsibility, they demean themselves and I really hate to see it.
Thank you for the compliment, it is very much appreciated. 
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We MUST deal with each other with the love, grace, mercy, and compassion that Christ deals with us. Without love, we are just clanging gongs.
And thank you for the reminder.
yes I thank God for godly men such as my husband who take this very serious.Godly men who will not stare or leer or lust after women. Men who will do all they can to stay pure no matter what the temptations are around them.Its not easy for them in this day and age, but I give them praise for wanting to do the right thing and go aganst the flow of society.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 1:03:01 PM
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yes I thank God for godly men such as my husband who take this very serious.Godly men who will not stare or leer or lust after women. Men who will do all they can to stay pure no matter what the temptations are around them.Its not easy for them in this day and age, but I give them praise for wanting to do the right thing and go aganst the flow of society.
I echo you in this.
Thank you, brothers in Christ, for all that you do to bless, cherish, protect, build up, and <insert other good verbs on this tack> your sisters in Christ. We soooo appreciate your strength, humility, and service!!!! You are our earthly heroes!!!!! Know that your being champions of godliness, love, and truth is not going to waste. Know that your obedience in the Lord is not in vain!!
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 2:45:40 PM
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Thank you, brothers in Christ, for all that you do to bless, cherish, protect, build up, and <insert other good verbs on this tack> your sisters in Christ. We soooo appreciate your strength, humility, and service!!!! You are our earthly heroes!!!!! Know that your being champions of godliness, love, and truth is not going to waste. Know that your obedience in the Lord is not in vain!![/size]
Your are quite welcome Elena! Thank you for all of the accolades. You sure know how do brighten up a brother's day 
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 2:50:24 PM
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After reading this forum, I conclude that as nice as it is for women to support their Christian brothers' efforts to be pure, that these Christian women nonetheless just do not know how strong sexual temptation is.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 2:52:57 PM
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After reading this forum, I conclude that as nice as it is for women to support their Christian brothers' efforts to be pure, that these Christian women nonetheless just do not know how strong sexual temptation is.
Honestly RichLP we do know because contrary to your belief women also struggle with sexual temptation.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 3:05:30 PM
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Well Walkingwithhim-Drop the curvy and makeup wearing and I am too.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 3:08:23 PM
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Oh-and drop the tight skirted too.
Last time I wore one of them (A skirt) was to a friend's ordination.
(And blaspheme of all blasphemes the ordinee was a woman!)
But alas-that is yet another thread/topic we can use to really bash women-so why waste it here? THIS thread is about modesty.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 3:31:52 PM
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After reading this forum, I conclude that as nice as it is for women to support their Christian brothers' efforts to be pure, that these Christian women nonetheless just do not know how strong sexual temptation is.
So women, of any stripe or condition, are the greatest threat to Christian men?
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 3:37:16 PM
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That is right BelleWeather so enjoy your power to lead any many off the straight and narrow path. We are women hear us roar!
Seriously though, Rich I think most women understand sexual temptation just fine. Remember we are called to capture every thought and make it a slave to Christ not capture every thought unless the women around you refuse to dress in full coverage from neck, to wrist, to toe.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 3:52:09 PM
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Elena1030
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After reading this forum, I conclude that as nice as it is for women to support their Christian brothers' efforts to be pure, that these Christian women nonetheless just do not know how strong sexual temptation is.
RichLP:
Hmm.. I wonder: were you talking about the Christian women mentioned in the OP, about the women participating in this thread, or both?
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 4:24:29 PM
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That is right BelleWeather so enjoy your power to lead any many off the straight and narrow path. We are women hear us roar!
Thank goodness!
I was afraid I was going to have to hand in my International Sisterhood of Temptresses, Succubi, and Heartbreakers Local 9052 union card.
It would have been very inconvenient.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 4:41:50 PM
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I'm so glad some of you ladies have managed to keep your sense of humor in tact.
Alas-There is hope for the church yet!
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 4:42:28 PM
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RichLP
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So women, of any stripe or condition, are the greatest threat to Christian men?
No. Again, my point is - women, not being men, don't know what it is like for us men re: sexual temptation.
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RE: Christian Women In or Out of touch? - 11/4/2009 4:43:30 PM
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RichLP
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Seriously though, Rich I think most women understand sexual temptation just fine. Remember we are called to capture every thought and make it a slave to Christ not capture every thought unless the women around you refuse to dress in full coverage from neck, to wrist, to toe.
I'm not saying women cannot be or are not visual - but I do think we men are more visually stimulated.
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