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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 12:13:04 AM
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sue244
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But its seems where most people have their problem with Fox is not their news but their commentary shows.
Their journalism is often as off-base and slanted as their editorial section.
People keep saying that but i have not seen any proof of that. When questioned people run to the commentary shows and go see there is the slant.
I've only watched Fox a couple times, usually I only have time to catch the local news on one of the main channels so I am quite used to the left slant of the "mainstream" networks. And again as far as I'm concerned Fox is just as biased as the other news channels are.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 12:24:59 AM
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Ultimately, unless the Government steps in, it matters little - because the consumer decides who wins.
Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for October 22, 2009
P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,470,000 viewers
CNN – 465,000 viewers
MSNBC –401,000 viewers
CNBC – 187,000 viewers
HLN –368,000 viewers
P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,682,000viewers
CNN— 749,000 viewers
MSNBC –944,000 viewers
CNBC – 186,000 viewers
HLN – 632,000 viewers
//Source Nielsen TV Ratings Data from tvbythenumbers
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 12:25:55 AM
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But its seems where most people have their problem with Fox is not their news but their commentary shows.
Their journalism is often as off-base and slanted as their editorial section.
People keep saying that but i have not seen any proof of that. When questioned people run to the commentary shows and go see there is the slant.
It's been pointed out several times in this thread.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 12:32:22 AM
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huangshan
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Ultimately, unless the Government steps in, it matters little - because the consumer decides who wins.
Live + Same Day Cable News Daily Ratings for October 22, 2009
P2+ Total Day
FNC – 1,470,000 viewers
CNN – 465,000 viewers
MSNBC –401,000 viewers
CNBC – 187,000 viewers
HLN –368,000 viewers
P2+ Prime Time
FNC – 2,682,000viewers
CNN— 749,000 viewers
MSNBC –944,000 viewers
CNBC – 186,000 viewers
HLN – 632,000 viewers
//Source Nielsen TV Ratings Data from tvbythenumbers
Ultimately none of those matter very much at all. The population of America is upwards of 300 million. That makes the viewership around 1-2% of the population watching Fox and everything else put together.
Not to mention, Obama beat McCain by around 10 million votes. Now, do you seriously think the average peruser of any of those programs is a swing voter?
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 12:51:24 AM
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Eh?
I was not pointing out the relationship between population, voting, etc and those numbers.
I am pointing to the fact that even if the White House does not want Fox to be considered news, millions consider them as such.
They "vote" with their remote controls, and right now, they are saying Fox is the premiere news organization in the US.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 12:53:28 AM
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But its seems where most people have their problem with Fox is not their news but their commentary shows.
Their journalism is often as off-base and slanted as their editorial section.
People keep saying that but i have not seen any proof of that. When questioned people run to the commentary shows and go see there is the slant.
It's been pointed out several times in this thread.
wow 2 to 3 second clips thats proves so much.
Of course I have seen the same thing from CNN, MASONIC, etc. so all that does is prove my point that all news shows are biased.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 1:15:16 AM
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How many times does it have to be explained that Hannity is not a news show but commentary? He is unabashedly conservative. Beck is Libertarian, and not a journalist. He says that often. They are not news anchors. They are talk show hosts.
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Here's an example from the LA Times of MSNBC's liberal bias.
MSNBC weathered a storm of complaints throughout the campaign that the left-leaning viewpoints expressed by Olbermann and Matthews were tainting the cable channel and its sister broadcast network, NBC. The protests reached a peak during the Republican National Convention, when delegates angrily chanted “NBC! NBC!” after Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin complained about media bias in her speech.
At the time, MSNBC President Phil Griffin insisted he wasn’t swayed by the critique. Nonetheless, he said he concluded that Olbermann and Matthews “were being restrained” from sharing their opinions when they served as news anchors. To allow them to converse more freely, he made Gregory the lead news anchor for major politics events for the rest of the campaign. Olbermann and Matthews remained a major part of the coverage of the presidential debates and election night but were considered analysts, not news anchors.
Now that the election is over, that distinction seems to have blurred. Gregory, the new moderator of “Meet the Press,” will be contributing to the broadcast network’s inauguration coverage, while Olbermann and Matthews will once again be leading MSNBC’s coverage.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 1:21:33 AM
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If you want to complain about FOX reporting, level your complaints at the actual reporting portion of the programming, such as Bret Baier's Special Report. When you do, your complaints look silly, because the actual news reporting done by FOX is about as close to fair and balanced as it gets.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 2:33:28 AM
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I am pointing to the fact that even if the White House does not want Fox to be considered news, millions consider them as such.
They "vote" with their remote controls, and right now, they are saying Fox is the premiere news organization in the US.
Oh.
Does someone watching something really make it news? The Daily Show gets between 1.5 and 2 million viewers a night.
If the most popular channel with "news" in its title is a complete sham, does that make it news?
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 2:36:38 AM
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It's been pointed out several times in this thread.
wow 2 to 3 second clips thats proves so much.
They're evidence of the news and opinion programming on Fox spreading exactly the same rubbish. So... yeah, it proves quite a bit.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 2:37:45 AM
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How many times does it have to be explained that Hannity is not a news show but commentary? He is unabashedly conservative. Beck is Libertarian, and not a journalist. He says that often. They are not news anchors. They are talk show hosts.
Are you referring to the clip that's been posted several times?
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 2:38:56 AM
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If you want to complain about FOX reporting, level your complaints at the actual reporting portion of the programming, such as Bret Baier's Special Report. When you do, your complaints look silly, because the actual news reporting done by FOX is about as close to fair and balanced as it gets.
No, it's not. That's been the topic of the day. No, the news sells the same line as the opinion programming.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 3:58:43 AM
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rockominal - I'm glad this was finally brought up because ever since the John Kerry loss, liberals have been trying to hide their frustrations and pain under the rug. I couldn't believe what happened to Dan.
How long have you been waiting to bring this up...5 years? Must be quite a letdown after all of this time..but you are correct all of my liberal friends still occasionally let the tears flow!
Yes there are a few things I STILL have yet to point out because I simply haven't gotten around to doing it.
I know your lib buddies let the tears flow, as well they should. I've got yet another newsflash for you. After that happened to Dan, the entire consortium of lib media elite went home and had a few drinks. Alot of them. I bet some were sticking their fingers down their own throats and trying to gag themselves to make the pain go away. They put on a good front with hack damage control but I saw right through it. I'm sure many conservatives saw your dynasty come tumbling down all around you, because it has. And all the lib king's horses and all the lib king's men, won't EVER put it back together again. Certainly not even close to what it was.. 
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The OP is about Obama Admin. and Fox. The point of Rather was simply that he was fired, as Huangshan pointed out,
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while Fox is replete with lies, deceptions, and misinformation with no consequence.
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Fox news has done excellent work by scutinizing the deception of tax cheats Geitner, and financial meltdown frauds like Chris Dodd, Barney Franks, and Hank Paulson, just to name a few.
Fox news simply corroborated one of my favorites. The blatant violation of the Logan Act and treason commited by Nancy Pelosi in Syria. Fox news was also there, exposing this particular cover-up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgNRwrzYXvQ
Absolutely pathetic. The woman needs to go to Spain and learn true Flamenco dancing before she tries to dance around the hat. Very clumsy.
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Further why should Fox be considered legitimate because it too goes beyond bias, as did Rather.
I really don't think you wanted to take this "further" did you?? So far, my posts have been to give credit to the liberal media BECAUSE OF their former media icon. Now, you put him out there at the end of your statement like a sitting duck? By that rationale, if Fox news can't be considered legitimate, vis-à-vis Dan RAther, then the entire progressive liberal media dynasty would be considered illegitimate. Your statement actually goes nowhere, and that's a good thing for you and your liberal ilk. Otherwise you would have no NBC, MSNBC, or anything else including newspapers. A little gratitude seems to be lost on most liberals. You're welcome for the favor. F.y.i., The only thing that bothers me are the MTV trash style bloggers out there with their preponderance of cyber spam who try to phish people.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 4:00:23 AM
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If you want to complain about FOX reporting, level your complaints at the actual reporting portion of the programming, such as Bret Baier's Special Report. When you do, your complaints look silly, because the actual news reporting done by FOX is about as close to fair and balanced as it gets.
No, it's not.
Yes, it is.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 4:14:04 AM
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Also, I don't particularly like Maddow, but this is salient:
Opinion is kissing cousins to the news. One man's bias is another's journalistic integrity. But the difference between Fox and every other network ever is the fact that Fox is promoting and organizing anti-Democratic rallies and movements. Perfectly legal, but not the acts of a news organization but the act of an opposition party.
LoL! Talk about a case in point falling right in my lap.. 
Reminds me of something else I've seen somewheres. Let me see here ::: papers shuffling::
Oh, yeah.
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This is like shooting fish in a barrell.
Indeed, it is. 
So umm, how is the saliency of this excerpt a good thing, or that is to say, a good thing for you?
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 11:47:54 AM
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StephK - As so many of the lefty posters say, show the total unedited versions.
Obviously you choose not to even watch the clips. They speak for themselves to anyone who hasn't been wearing blinders and earplugs!!!
Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/20/the-ten-most-egregious-fo_n_327140.html?slidenumber=1#slide_image
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StephK - Stop being sycophants for once and look at the big picture.
Clever attempt with "sycophant" but I have absolutely no problem with those critical of Obama, or Bush, or anyone else...as long as it is reasonable and honest. Fox is not...period.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 11:58:17 AM
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They "vote" with their remote controls, and right now, they are saying Fox is the premiere news organization in the US.
An appeal to popularity (argumentum ad populum) or appeal to numbers (argumentum ad numerum) doesn't indicate that Fox is in any way "fair and balanced. Looking at what is "popular" on TV and what is "popular" in music certainly has me questioning the "taste" of the public at large!
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 11:59:49 AM
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sue244 - wow 2 to 3 second clips thats proves so much.
Obviously you didn't watch the clips either. Some of the "clips" run over 4 minutes.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 12:04:09 PM
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ManimalX - When you do, your complaints look silly, because the actual news reporting done by FOX is about as close to fair and balanced as it gets.
The clips posted were from the news side not the pundit side. I suppose it is just a question of the equivocal definitions concerning the terms "fair" and "balanced" ...depends on what side of the fence one sits on.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 1:58:55 PM
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rockominal - I'm sure many conservatives saw your dynasty come tumbling down all around you, because it has.
I wasn't aware that it was my dynasty...but thanks! I voted for Bush in 2000...Ford, Reagan, Bush Sr,...Obama in 2008, oh that's right my dynasty collapsed.
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To be clear I did not suggest that bias was the sole property of Fox, but tried to make a distinction between bias and outright distortion, misinformation, and lies. This was noted in the clips, which are not taken out of context, and in fact Fox has apologized for some of them. Dan Rather, I have his posters all over my walls, was an appropriate example because he took his "bias" to the extreme and crossed the line but with a justified result.
The clips, whether from a left wing site or from Mars, are straight forward...no bias or spin necessary.
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rockominal - By that rationale, if Fox news can't be considered legitimate, vis-à-vis Dan RAther, then the entire progressive liberal media dynasty would be considered illegitimate.
If you needed for me to explain it to you then just ask. The point being that Fox News has been party to lies, distortion, etc. but without consequence. I simply asked for information on other networks CNN, MSNBC, etc. that show such extreme distortions, lies, etc. That bias exists in the media is not the question at all, but to what extent that bias is taken. So show me where such tactics are used by the "liberal" media. Pretty simple, or do you need a list from the clips?
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rockominal - I really don't think you wanted to take this "further" did you??
So far you've said very little, except of course a very superficial blather about coffee, using fingers to gag, a failed attempt to intimidate us with your brilliance, and the typical "I hate liberals" rant. Not very impressive.
I am simply looking to have a reasoned discussion regarding Obama/Fox News. From what I've seen,.read, and heard Fox's bias crosses the line... not on the side with the entertainers but on the news side. It obviously does on the entertainer side.
Also, if you are going to quote "This is like shooting fish in a barrell" I would highly recommend pulling the trigger! Further (I know you love that word) do you think it is appropriate for a news channel to endorse and promote specific movements?
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 2:47:04 PM
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Closed pending review.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 3:22:20 PM
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OK, opening this back up.
Cut out the personal attacks, Frontporch and rockominal especially. Rockominal - veiling attacks against fellow posters by attacking "liberals" in general is still harassing your fellow posters.
Commenting on other posters' word choices (repetitive terms, the use of "salient," etc.) is a personal attack.
Saying people need to drink gallons of coffee before they'll wake up to something is a personal attack.
Calling someone arrogant (or that what they SAY is arrogant, even if it's not calling them arrogant personally) is harrassing.
Cut out the attacks and be civil.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 3:35:05 PM
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Dear huangshan,
Yes, perception is often presumptive reality.
I am sure you recall the times when news was considered well researched multi-page/multi-day factual document with little personal opinion.
Today a 1" x 2" pictograph with a sentence, or a 30 second clip of commentary is considered news.
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I am pointing to the fact that even if the White House does not want Fox to be considered news, millions consider them as such.
They "vote" with their remote controls, and right now, they are saying Fox is the premiere news organization in the US.
Oh.
Does someone watching something really make it news? The Daily Show gets between 1.5 and 2 million viewers a night.
If the most popular channel with "news" in its title is a complete sham, does that make it news?
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 3:52:42 PM
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White House Cites Opinion Shows as Basis for Fox News Complaints
White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs refers to "Beck" and "Hannity" as the reasons why the Obama administration is criticizing Fox News.
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RE: Obama Admin and Fox news - 10/26/2009 3:55:11 PM
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Top White House Official Says Obama Team 'Controlled' Media Coverage During Campaign
White House Communications Director Anita Dunn is seen in a video from January talking about how the Obama campaign exercised absolute "control" over media coverage.
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The video drew attention after Dunn kicked off a war of words with Fox News last Sunday, calling the network "opinion journalism masquerading as news." The White House stopped providing guests to "Fox News Sunday" in August after host Chris Wallace fact-checked controversial assertions made by Tammy Duckworth, assistant secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs.
Dunn complained about the fact-checking last Sunday. In the January forum, she provided details about the lengths to which the Obama campaign went to control the media message.
She explained that the campaign favored live interviews so that Obama's words could not be edited -- "so that what the voters heard we determined, as opposed to some editor in a TV station."
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