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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 12:09:53 AM
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RosieCotton
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Did you know the Bush whitehouse did that same thing?????
They had lunches and talk time w/their friends at fox to talk about their agenda.......shutting out all others......
This isnt the first time a group has done this......dont know why such an outrage?!
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 4:57:14 AM
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Did you know the Bush whitehouse did that same thing?????
They had lunches and talk time w/their friends at fox to talk about their agenda.......shutting out all others......
This isnt the first time a group has done this......dont know why such an outrage?!
When did Bush demonize the other networks. The president is completely free to not go to other networks but to call a network out like this is out of the question.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 5:11:09 AM
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The president is completely free to not go to other networks but to call a network out like this is out of the question.
There aren't any such restrictions.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 5:53:12 AM
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The president is completely free to not go to other networks but to call a network out like this is out of the question.
There aren't any such restrictions.
Not in China.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 12:21:44 PM
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Bush ignored the press, true. They weren't very nice to him at all, so why try?
The difference is that he never came out and started taking swipes at a particular network or program.
Obama is equally free to ignore media he dislikes or distrusts, but to call open season on one network seems a litte petty.
It's god to see the other networks siding with Fox on this one....
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 2:50:38 PM
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huangshan
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The president is completely free to not go to other networks but to call a network out like this is out of the question.
There aren't any such restrictions.
Not in China.
Or America. Try to keep this relevant.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 3:08:24 PM
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The president is completely free to not go to other networks but to call a network out like this is out of the question.
There aren't any such restrictions.
Not in China.
Or America. Try to keep this relevant.
Ok let's really keep it relevant, show me where i said there are restrictions. I said it is out of the question, meaning that the government of the US is to serve the people and is not to be calling out citizens/businesses/media outlets. If the administration has a problem with something Fox says then they can rebut the facts. The government is not to be attacking any citizen or business that has not violated a law, but this administration doesn't seem to care.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 3:11:41 PM
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Or America. Try to keep this relevant.
Oh, yea; China does not have this in thier founding documents (that little red book);
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
But praise God that we here in the USA do.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 3:40:41 PM
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For now, we have it. Let's hope and pray that the Constitution can survive the onslaughts from the 0bama, Pelosi, Reid, and the left.
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Or America. Try to keep this relevant.
Oh, yea; China does not have this in thier founding documents (that little red book);
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
But praise God that we here in the USA do.
Thanks
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 4:58:23 PM
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huangshan
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The president is completely free to not go to other networks but to call a network out like this is out of the question.
There aren't any such restrictions.
Not in China.
Or America. Try to keep this relevant.
Ok let's really keep it relevant, show me where i said there are restrictions. I said it is out of the question, meaning that the government of the US is to serve the people and is not to be calling out citizens/businesses/media outlets. If the administration has a problem with something Fox says then they can rebut the facts. The government is not to be attacking any citizen or business that has not violated a law, but this administration doesn't seem to care.
You said "completely free" and "out of the question". If "completely free" is "out of the question" it seems like there are restrictions somewhere.
You say that the government is not to be attacking any citizen or business that has not violated a law. Accepting that criticism is a kind of "attack", what restricts the government in this capacity?
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 4:59:28 PM
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huangshan
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Does that somehow apply here?
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 5:37:30 PM
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You said "completely free" and "out of the question". If "completely free" is "out of the question" it seems like there are restrictions somewhere.
Please read what i actually wrote. I said that he is completely free to talk to whatever networks he wants BUT (that is a seperating word in the English language) him singling out one network to attack is out of the question.
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You say that the government is not to be attacking any citizen or business that has not violated a law. Accepting that criticism is a kind of "attack", what restricts the government in this capacity?
I know it pales in comparison to what attack means when your cherished nation goes after dissenters but it is an attack on the network. The government has no place even criticizing anyone for exercising their rights. This nation is founded on the premise that we the people have the power, not the government. I know this is a foreign concept to you but our government can not actively attempt to denigrate a particular media outlet for the network not agreeing with them. Those protections were put in place by our founding fathers so that we didn't end up like, well China.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 5:39:50 PM
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Does that somehow apply here?
Actually it does, the current administration is not only favoring the media outlets with a particlar bent but are attempting to tear down those who do not agree with them.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 6:53:42 PM
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RosieCotton
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Sorry, when u continuosly lie about what the president is saying, or make a mountain out of a mole hill.......why would the president want to talk to them????
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 8:02:56 PM
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Sorry, when u continuosly lie about what the president is saying, or make a mountain out of a mole hill.......why would the president want to talk to them????
It's not about the president choosing to talk to them; he can talk to them or not for all I care. However, the White House deliberately tried to keep Fox News from being able to participate in a press pool interview. All of the major news networks, including Fox, pay for the press pool set-up and have for decades. Essentially, they expected Fox to cough up the money for the press pool and then deny them the opportunity to get any use of it.
No White House has done that before as it's an egregious abuse.
The other networks rightly called the White House out on it and basically reiterated that either ALL of the news networks have the interview with the pay czar or none would interview him.
And as for what is a mountain or a mole hill, who exactly gets to make the decision as to what any of us will find important? What seems like an unimporant --- or inconvenient --- fact/event/story to you or to the White House or to Congress may be very relevant to the rest of us. No one, not even Fox, will put out something that doesn't have traction with viewers. ACORN is an important story to me as is its connection to the White House. The backgrounds of all of these czars who aren't being cleared through Congress are important to me. My taxes pay for all that.
In short, I don't trust anyone in government--- Democrat, Republican, Independent, or anything else --- to tell me what I should or shouldn't think of as important. That's one reason why I like a very large mix of media - liberal, conservative, and all in between - because someone, somewhere is going to have the information I'm looking for that the government doesn't necessarily want me to know.
Oh, and for the record, I haven't watched Fox News in years. I get my news from a variety of other sources, so this isn't about my loving Fox News.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 8:23:55 PM
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You said "completely free" and "out of the question". If "completely free" is "out of the question" it seems like there are restrictions somewhere.
Please read what i actually wrote. I said that he is completely free to talk to whatever networks he wants BUT (that is a seperating word in the English language) him singling out one network to attack is out of the question.
"But" is a conjunction. A "conjunction" is a connecting word. I know what you meant. It appears you don't. Your construction meant the first part was allowed ("completely free..."), the second was not. "But" means "however". As in, "X is completely free but Y is not".
I apologize for being pedantic, but please try to be more clear. I'm still not sure what your position is.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 8:43:21 PM
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Fox must be having an impact or close to some thing that the Great and mighty 'O' wants protected. It also tells me he can't stand opposing opinions, nor does he respect the right to disagree.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 8:55:25 PM
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Fox must be having an impact or close to some thing that the Great and mighty 'O' wants protected. It also tells me he can't stand opposing opinions, nor does he respect the right to disagree.
That's his narcissism rearing it's ugly head.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/23/2009 9:28:54 PM
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"But" is a conjunction. A "conjunction" is a connecting word. I know what you meant. It appears you don't. Your construction meant the first part was allowed ("completely free..."), the second was not. "But" means "however". As in, "X is completely free but Y is not".
so you did understand me then proceeded to argue a point that was not the point i made, good job.
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I apologize for being pedantic, but please try to be more clear. I'm still not sure what your position is.
I was clear enough that you were able to understand that the first is, in fact, allowed but the second is not. I said what i meant and you understood it I don't see the problem well other than your desire to contradict me.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/24/2009 12:04:01 AM
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Well, i like what Obama said, and will use it also......he is using Fox as a talk news show.......and isnt losing any sleep over the whining that is coming from the people who only look to stir the pot......
And yea, lies and fabrications of the truth are things i find unimportant when listening to News.......
now, talk shows......i guess are known for that, that is why i dont listen to that as well!
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/24/2009 12:32:07 AM
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"But" is a conjunction. A "conjunction" is a connecting word. I know what you meant. It appears you don't. Your construction meant the first part was allowed ("completely free..."), the second was not. "But" means "however". As in, "X is completely free but Y is not".
so you did understand me then proceeded to argue a point that was not the point i made, good job.
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I apologize for being pedantic, but please try to be more clear. I'm still not sure what your position is.
I was clear enough that you were able to understand that the first is, in fact, allowed but the second is not. I said what i meant and you understood it I don't see the problem well other than your desire to contradict me.
So I repeat my point: there are no restrictions on the president calling out any particular network. The second is allowed. If I'm not mistaken, you believe the opposite to be true.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/24/2009 12:46:25 AM
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Fox must be having an impact or close to some thing that the Great and mighty 'O' wants protected. It also tells me he can't stand opposing opinions, nor does he respect the right to disagree.
Or, like a lot of us, he's just annoyed by them.
I think that when one group (Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity) slings the kinds of accusations that they do on a regular basis (Communism, impending dictatorship, whatever) then the guy who's name is taking all the hits has a right to fire right back, although Obama hasn't done that. He's just pointed out that when your desire to find evil in Obama, your bias and your agenda take over everything you report... you can't call it news. You can still be a very credible commentator worthy of respect for what you do... not that Beck, Limbaugh, or Hannity deserve any respect... but opinions just aren't news.
And no, I don't think NBC, CBS, CNN do news either. The media is all commentary these days. I go to John Stuart for my news for a few reasons: 1) he's open about his bias, and I prefer someone being honest with me 2) he's called out the news media several times for their failures to remain neutral and do real journalism 3) he calls his show what all of these shows on all these different networks really are: commedy.
I love to listen to Rush, but strictly for entertainment value. Beck cries too much for my tastes, man up. I come to crosswalk to see opinions that make both of these guys look like pacifistic liberals :D
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/24/2009 2:49:54 AM
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I'm kind of posting blind here. I have read about 20 of the first posts of this thread. I just wanted to post this article:
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Thursday, October 22, 2009
Unprecedented: White House Tries to Ban Fox from Press Pool
Today the White House stepped up its attack on Fox News, announcing that the network would no longer be able to conduct interviews with officials as a member of the Press Pool. The Pool is a five-member group consisting of ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News and NBC organized by the White House Correspondents Association. Its membership is not subject to oversight by the government. LINK
I personally think that FOX IS just another arm of the Republican party, but the same can be said for CNN, CBS and others being arms of the Democratic party. What is wrong with the Republicans having their station? Democrats and liberals have many of them. I am also of the opinion that if we, as a nation, would just return back to the dictates of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, we would not need to bicker back and forth about politics. We are one nation, not Democrats and Republicans (or any other party), but we are looking less and less like one nation with the passing of each administration, each election, each day... every time one Party shuts the other Party out of the democratic process then attacks them for being divisive and partisan. It is really starting to get ridiculous, on both sides of the fence (or maybe "wall" is a better word).
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