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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/20/2009 1:31:55 PM
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Obviously, BO doesn't like anyone challenging his views or agenda! No matter what he says, I will watch Fox news to get the REAL, fair, balanced reporting. Every time I watch Fox News I always end up wondering what planet they are reporting from. Their news bears no resemblance to what is relevant or really going on most of the time.
While I may disagree with you about Fox I think the same could be said of MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC CBS and any of the other "news" shows that are on the airwaves. They ALL have a viewpoint that we either disagree or agree with; imo none of them are "fair and balanced" and they don't pretend to be (other than Fox and their "motto")
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/20/2009 1:37:29 PM
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And as for the conservative whining, I'd be more concerned that the ratings have gone up for Fox since the Whitehouse started their little "war with Fox". Don't ask for a link. I heard it on O'Reilly.
The viewership of FOX News amounts to a rounding error relative to the population of the US. I'd just straight up not care.
Always so flippant of things that are positive to those you don't agree with but will toot the smallest horn for those you do agree with. Fox is up strongly while the rest are dramatically down, those are the facts. Even if Fox remained flat the others have lost double digit percentages.
Okay, I can revise my original statement: FOX News' viewership, combined with the viewerships of the other networks, is essentially a rounding error.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/20/2009 3:47:22 PM
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This is all clearly an ABUSE OF POWER issue.
Ignore, sweep it under the rug, what ever........................
Obama is abusing the power of the white house.
So he is a usurped authority.
How so?
Has the FCC started shutting down FOX News affiliates? ...or forced them to air PBS news programing :p
IMO, I really don't think it's wise nor appropriate for the White House to single out FOX News.....
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/20/2009 4:15:01 PM
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This is all clearly an ABUSE OF POWER issue.
Ignore, sweep it under the rug, what ever........................
Obama is abusing the power of the white house.
So he is a usurped authority.
How so?
Has the FCC started shutting down FOX News affiliates? ...or forced them to air PBS news programing :p
IMO, I really don't think it's wise nor appropriate for the White House to single out FOX News.....
Give them time, they are busy trying to pass health care.
Seriously, it is very disturbing that the administration is targeting a news organization that is not subservient to the administration.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/20/2009 4:38:39 PM
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Gibbs, who was originally promoted as the greatest White House Press Secretary ever, seemingly can never answer anything except the softest of softball questions intelligently. When he does say something of substance, it turns out to be stupid, like this comment. He's an embarrassment, even to the Obama administration.
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Tapper to Gibbs: Who are you to decide what constitutes a news organization?
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/20/2009 4:45:28 PM
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I agree that much of Fox News programming is obviously opinion, but it's a bit disingenuous to pretend that MSNBC and CNN aren't guilty of the same thing, just a different opinion.
UCLA did a study a number of years back to look at bias in the media. They examined 20 news media [TV/papers/blogs] and ranked them according to the same conservative/liberal scales as are applied to politicians when rating them on their level of conservativism/liberalism. Eighteen of the 20 news media were found to have a left-leaning bias. Fox News was one of the two that did not; however, Fox News was shown to have only a slightly right of center bias [this ranking was done regarding Brit Hume's hour program]. If memory serves, PBS's Lehrer was closest to center [neutral] as any of the outlets.
So, I personally always get a giggle from people who rant and rave about the overwhelming biases of Fox News and yet are absolutely silent about the obvious biases of the other outlets.
UCLA's recommendation after the study? Watch/read a bit of those with the conservative bias and those with the liberal bias and you should be able to figure out where the truth is.
One of the best things I learned in my college Journalism class was about the editorial bias that influences the way news items are chosen. That's why I make it a point to get news from multiple sources, including FoxRepublican News and Clinton News Network. The internet makes it easier to get several sides of an issue. I would give PBS and NPR good marks because they spend more time on stories and aren't soundbite obsessed.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/20/2009 4:52:30 PM
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Why do you call it FOXRepublican News? O'Reilly is an Independent, Hannity is a Reagan Republican, Greta is...I don't know what Greta is, and Beck calls himself Libertarian and Geraldo is a Liberal. The daytime news is news. The only ones I see giving their opinions are perhaps, well, maybe Megyn Kelly.
Now that Obama has his own "pet peacock", there are no accusations of NBC or MSNBC. I can't even stand my LOCAL ABC, CBS and NBC stations because they are so biased toward Obama. CNN is also pro-Obama. So, when Bush was President and everyone called FOX the mouthpiece for the Whitehouse, did any of you liberals watch FOX? I doubt it. You watch what interests you and so you watch the others. I don't like Obama and I want to hear about every lowdown thing he is planning. I won't get that on the Obama channels. So I watch FOX and especially, Beck. What is wrong with that. If I loved Obama an hour of Beck would be torture for me so people watch what they want. I don't believe all of the FOX haters that they even watch it.
And as for the conservative whining, I'd be more concerned that the ratings have gone up for Fox since the Whitehouse started their little "war with Fox". Don't ask for a link. I heard it on O'Reilly.
You left out Huckleberry, GOP Presidential wannabe. And Dave Ramsey is also a Republican. Not that being either a Repub or Dem is inherently good or evil.
I am accustomed to Liberal whining,  but Conservative whining grates worse because they are in such denial.
Greta Scientologist and Geraldo Revile-ya are on some other plane altogether. I think Geraldo is on Fox just to make liberals look crazy. 
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/20/2009 6:28:08 PM
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I refuse to recognize FOX News as a legitimate news source, until they start fact-checking Saturday Night Live skits,as the great CNN does.
I thought Weekend Update was the only source for real and unbiased news?
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/20/2009 10:14:24 PM
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Call me crazy, but I would think the Obama administration's efforts to isolate FNC is comparable to Nixon's efforts to put The New York Times and Washington Post on that same enemies list!
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/20/2009 10:43:24 PM
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Should be about as successful.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/20/2009 10:46:43 PM
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I agree that much of Fox News programming is obviously opinion, but it's a bit disingenuous to pretend that MSNBC and CNN aren't guilty of the same thing, just a different opinion.
UCLA did a study a number of years back to look at bias in the media. They examined 20 news media [TV/papers/blogs] and ranked them according to the same conservative/liberal scales as are applied to politicians when rating them on their level of conservativism/liberalism. Eighteen of the 20 news media were found to have a left-leaning bias. Fox News was one of the two that did not; however, Fox News was shown to have only a slightly right of center bias [this ranking was done regarding Brit Hume's hour program]. If memory serves, PBS's Lehrer was closest to center [neutral] as any of the outlets.
So, I personally always get a giggle from people who rant and rave about the overwhelming biases of Fox News and yet are absolutely silent about the obvious biases of the other outlets.
UCLA's recommendation after the study? Watch/read a bit of those with the conservative bias and those with the liberal bias and you should be able to figure out where the truth is.
One of the best things I learned in my college Journalism class was about the editorial bias that influences the way news items are chosen. That's why I make it a point to get news from multiple sources, including FoxRepublican News and Clinton News Network. The internet makes it easier to get several sides of an issue. I would give PBS and NPR good marks because they spend more time on stories and aren't soundbite obsessed.
It's Communist Network News.
Are you sure you'd give PBS and NPR good marks because they spend more time on stories and aren't soundbite obsessed or because they lean to the left?
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/20/2009 10:49:44 PM
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Why do you call it FOXRepublican News? O'Reilly is an Independent, Hannity is a Reagan Republican, Greta is...I don't know what Greta is, and Beck calls himself Libertarian and Geraldo is a Liberal. The daytime news is news. The only ones I see giving their opinions are perhaps, well, maybe Megyn Kelly.
Now that Obama has his own "pet peacock", there are no accusations of NBC or MSNBC. I can't even stand my LOCAL ABC, CBS and NBC stations because they are so biased toward Obama. CNN is also pro-Obama. So, when Bush was President and everyone called FOX the mouthpiece for the Whitehouse, did any of you liberals watch FOX? I doubt it. You watch what interests you and so you watch the others. I don't like Obama and I want to hear about every lowdown thing he is planning. I won't get that on the Obama channels. So I watch FOX and especially, Beck. What is wrong with that. If I loved Obama an hour of Beck would be torture for me so people watch what they want. I don't believe all of the FOX haters that they even watch it.
And as for the conservative whining, I'd be more concerned that the ratings have gone up for Fox since the Whitehouse started their little "war with Fox". Don't ask for a link. I heard it on O'Reilly.
You left out Huckleberry, GOP Presidential wannabe. And Dave Ramsey is also a Republican. Not that being either a Repub or Dem is inherently good or evil.
I am accustomed to Liberal whining, but Conservative whining grates worse because they are in such denial.
Greta Scientologist and Geraldo Revile-ya are on some other plane altogether. I think Geraldo is on Fox just to make liberals look crazy.
It seems like the Whitehouse is whining more than conservatives.
Really? Greta is a Scientologist? I can't believe she'd fall for that. I'm really surprised when anyone joins Scientology, past lives, auditing and all of that...
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/21/2009 2:27:24 AM
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Gibbs, who was originally promoted as the greatest White House Press Secretary ever, seemingly can never answer anything except the softest of softball questions intelligently. When he does say something of substance, it turns out to be stupid, like this comment. He's an embarrassment, even to the Obama administration.
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Tapper to Gibbs: Who are you to decide what constitutes a news organization?
Gibbs reminds me of the duck that goes back and forth that you shoot at the arcade to win prizes..
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/21/2009 7:47:45 AM
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Every time I watch Fox News I always end up wondering what planet they are reporting from. Their news bears no resemblance to what is relevant or really going on most of the time.
Are you mistaking news talk shows for the news? All the news talk shows on Fox are conservative and they have opinions that run counter to Obama's plans and actions.
But, Fox news is a very good news agency. Their reporting is fair and I don't see how anyone could not see this.
Remember, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck host news TALK SHOWS. They are not reporting the news.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/21/2009 9:45:11 AM
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I for one am glad to see that so many of our friends on the left agree that the White House's preoccupation with Fox is a major waste of time.
See we can be on the same page occasionally....it doesn't hurt..... 
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/21/2009 10:49:59 AM
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It's Communist Network News.
Are you sure you'd give PBS and NPR good marks because they spend more time on stories and aren't soundbite obsessed or because they lean to the left?
I think some people on the right think there's a huge liberal lean (esp. NPR) because they cover issues with more interviews of non-politician-non-pundit-non-book-selling status. Listening to NPR requires a longer attention span as well.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/21/2009 11:12:08 AM
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It's Communist Network News.
Are you sure you'd give PBS and NPR good marks because they spend more time on stories and aren't soundbite obsessed or because they lean to the left?
I think some people on the right think there's a huge liberal lean (esp. NPR) because they cover issues with more interviews of non-politician-non-pundit-non-book-selling status. Listening to NPR requires a longer attention span as well.
There just aren't that many news sources that are willing to take even 5 minutes to explore a subject. The average length of a news story on broadcast media has got to be under 2 minutes. What can you lean in 2 minutes? 5 minutes isn't even enough, but I do prefer PBS/NPR due to their preference for a bit more depth.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/21/2009 11:56:15 AM
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I don't listen to PBS/NPR very much, so please, this is a legitimate question - are these 5 minute in-depth interviews real news or are they commentary? From what I've heard from PBS/NPR, they "interview" only those with leftist views.
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It's Communist Network News.
Are you sure you'd give PBS and NPR good marks because they spend more time on stories and aren't soundbite obsessed or because they lean to the left?
I think some people on the right think there's a huge liberal lean (esp. NPR) because they cover issues with more interviews of non-politician-non-pundit-non-book-selling status. Listening to NPR requires a longer attention span as well.
There just aren't that many news sources that are willing to take even 5 minutes to explore a subject. The average length of a news story on broadcast media has got to be under 2 minutes. What can you lean in 2 minutes? 5 minutes isn't even enough, but I do prefer PBS/NPR due to their preference for a bit more depth.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/21/2009 12:09:21 PM
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Personally, I don't find that to be the case at all. It is probably true in some instances, but less true in others. You would have to listen yourself and be the judge.
That said, for a number of folks here just about anyone that gets interviewed might qualify as "liberal".
Forgot your other question. Sorry. Yes, normally these are honest interviews and not just commentary, although there's always some degree of commentary. After all, getting someone to be quiet, if they get paid to talk for a living, is just darned difficult no matter what.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/21/2009 12:17:36 PM
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Obama's Fox News Diversion
The real game is taking place behind closed doors, not on the Sunday morning talk shows where Obama's minions whine about Fox News. While we were worrying about what the attacks on Fox News meant for our democracy, Harry Reid, Rahm Emanuel and a couple of others were huddled together hatching plans to shove a monstrous health care bill down the nation's collective throat.
The attack on Fox News is a red herring meant to divert our focus away from what is taking place out of sight:
A red herring is an idiom referring to a device which intends to divert the audience from the truth or an item of significance.... It is popularly believed that the idiom originates from a technique of training of young scent hounds involving "red" herrings. The pungent fish would be dragged along a trail until a puppy learned to follow the scent. Later, when the dog was being trained to follow the faint odour of a fox or a badger, the trainer would drag a red herring (whose strong scent confuses the animal) perpendicular to the animal's trail to confuse the dog. The dog would eventually learn to follow the original scent rather than the stronger scent.
While we were following the Fox News red herring dragged by Rahm Emanuel, David Axelrod and Anita Dunn across the political trail, the real damage was being done in the other direction.
Organizing for America, Obama's renamed campaign machine, was flooding Capital Hill with phone calls in support of Obamacare (we received a phone call at our house yesterday asking us to call our representative in support of Democratic proposals). Harry Reid was cutting deals with doctors, various states, and anyone else who can be bought or bullied. Nancy Pelosi was playing number games to get a CBO score below $900 billion based on unrealistic cost control assumptions which never will be put into effect. All the while the Democrats were touting yet another misleading poll (based on distorted sampling) supposedly showing widespread support for a government plan, to provide cover for a sell-out by moderate Democrats.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/21/2009 1:01:07 PM
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I don't listen to PBS/NPR very much, so please, this is a legitimate question - are these 5 minute in-depth interviews real news or are they commentary? From what I've heard from PBS/NPR, they "interview" only those with leftist views.
It seems to run the gamut. But lots of the time, they do "man in the street" stuff. Example, interviews with Iraqi civilians about their everyday lives in the context of the war. They frequently profile a serviceman killed in action, etc.
It is a bit hard to discribe because it's not typical media, even for radio. I catch a lot of it while commuting.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 10/21/2009 3:05:35 PM
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The attack on Fox News is a red herring meant to divert our focus away from what is taking place out of sight:
Thank you for posting that Steph! It saves me the effort of doing it. Looking at the way some of the more mundane things occupy the right I was honestly going to say that the Fox News thing looks like nothing more than a distraction.
There is way too much minor stuff distracting the right, people need to quit letting their dislike of B0 get their blood pressures up so they have no clue what is really going on.
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