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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 11:53:24 AM
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Tarox
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So let's give up this silly notion that Obama is doing something that no other president has done.
Here it is in principal...
John
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If you were of the world, the world would love its own.
Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, ....
>Therefore.... the world hates you. = Obama's freezing out of Fox... and Bush never giving a single interview to the New York Times are one in the same and = is Because Obama and the NY Times loves its own =the world
LG
So, what you're saying is that the world love's its own, and because the Bush administration turned its nose up at some liberal media sources, he was rejecting the "world"? And that Obama's anti-Fox actions are the world striking back because it loves it's own?
Wow.
Just because someone doesn't like you doesn't mean that they are part of the "world" and you are part of Christ's chosen. It means they don't like you. In this case, it's for a very obvious reason: Fox/Bush and MSNBC/Obama are all partisans, and it's simple political distaste for the other side. If it were as easy as "i got persecuted = i'm Christ's chosen" then we'd want the worst, unrepentant criminals leading the church.
The verse could be applicable to this situation if any of the parties involved were legitimately proclaiming Christ and that were somehow linked to their reception of negative treatment from another party.
I think it's fair to say that in this case both news organizations and both presidents represent the world. The only way Christ is brought into this is looking on in frustration as parts of his body rip each other's throats out over the nature of health care and the treatment of wordly media organizations.
We put taxes, private property, election results, and political sniping before and above Christ when we deal with each other on these forums, and if you don't agree then show me somewhere in Current Events where Christ is mentioned in a capacity other than as a blunt instrument used to beat one man's politics down in favor of another.
With regard to Obama and Fox- I hate Fox, I think they're a bunch of hacks, but I feel the same about all cable media. How would Christ have us deal with people in the situation this Obama is in now, and Bush was in before? Probably not how either president dealt with it.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 12:08:32 PM
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Obama did something -
His (so far) unsuccessful attempt to freeze out Fox News as a legitimate news organization when granting interviews.
His attempts to de-legitimize Fox News.
That goes way beyond "well, nobody watches MSNBC so who cares?"
He took over General Motors and Chrysler. Where in the Constitution is there anything that gave him the right to do that?
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If you say so
Obama does something, it's the end of the world, trampling on the constitution, anti-free-speech...
Bush did the same thing, it's "well, nobody watches MSNBC so who cares?"
I gotcha. The grievances are partisan.
Well, we're off topic, but he didn't do anything with GM and Chrysler that Congress didn't authorize, which makes it quite constitutional (whether it was a good idea is another topic).
And, FOXRepublicanNews doesn't need The Great One to establish whether it is a legitimate news source. But he's the best thing that happened to FOX since the Clintons.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 12:09:17 PM
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Of course the other mainstream media networks are not biased.
For example:
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Chris Matthews: Religious Right In America Resembles The Taliban
MATTHEWS: That's not fair. The group in this country that most resembles the Taliban, ironically, is the religious right.
LINK 1
No hint of bias there.
Has anyone been arguing that other networks are not biased?
Really.
I haven't seen anyone suggest anything of the sort.
So I wonder why people keep bringing it up.
Well, let's see, yeah, uhh, well,
perhaps it's your one-sided dialogue.
Maybe we should actually discuss what is going on
instead of standing on opposite sides throwing stones at
each other. That was fun when we were kids, except
when a sharp flint hit it's target......................ouch!
I got one on the knee cap and couldn't walk for a week.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 12:22:10 PM
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Seriously though. I know the incidents were different, but I still don't see how what Obama did so, so, so much worse than what Bush did? Or any other president would have done if they were being incessantly attacked and their positions distorted (in their opinion) unfairly by one organization?
Fox foots part of the bill for the press corps coverage and Obama wanted to deny them access to a press corps event even though they pay. Bush never did that he just didn't give one on one interviews with them. I don't care that Obama doesn't give interviews with Fox, he would be a fool to do so but to attempt to prevent them having access to a press corps event was well beyond anything Bush did.
Wait, I'm not sure what you're referring to here. Are you talking about that Treasury Department thing?
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As far as the "accusation" that Fox news is not part of the press...well, so what? Does anyone seriously think that's going to hurt them? It's like some Wendy's representative saying that McDonalds uses frozen meat. People like what they like and right now, the majority of people who watch news in prime time (as opposed to the quadzillions of others who watch other things or don't watch TV at all), like Fox better.
So you would have no problem with the Obama adminsitration claiming that your chosen denomination wasn't a real religious organization? I mean those who choose that denomination aren't going to switch denominations so who cares?
I think that has essentially happened when Churches turn into political advocacy organizations, hasn't it?
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 1:54:45 PM
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He took over General Motors and Chrysler. Where in the Constitution is there anything that gave him the right to do that?
For that matter, where in the Constitution does it grant government the right to force people to buy a certain product (healthcare)?
The parts that say we will have a House and a Senate and that they will draft legislation that the President signs or will veto yet both branches can override that veto?
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 2:00:09 PM
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The parts that say we will have a House and a Senate and that they will draft legislation that the President signs or will veto yet both branches can override that veto?
Try again. The Constitution does NOT provide for the federal government to force citizens to buy any sort of product or service (beyond the collection of taxes)....
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 2:02:11 PM
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 2:25:36 PM
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Well, you're correct that, at least as far as viewership is concerned. Fox News is benefitting from 0bama trying to de-ligitimizing its news reputation.
Congressional authorization does not make anything constitutional. That's one of the reasons we have a Supreme Court. (Sorry for the off-topic comment. Won't continue it.)
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Obama did something -
His (so far) unsuccessful attempt to freeze out Fox News as a legitimate news organization when granting interviews.
His attempts to de-legitimize Fox News.
That goes way beyond "well, nobody watches MSNBC so who cares?"
He took over General Motors and Chrysler. Where in the Constitution is there anything that gave him the right to do that?
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If you say so
Obama does something, it's the end of the world, trampling on the constitution, anti-free-speech...
Bush did the same thing, it's "well, nobody watches MSNBC so who cares?"
I gotcha. The grievances are partisan.
Well, we're off topic, but he didn't do anything with GM and Chrysler that Congress didn't authorize, which makes it quite constitutional (whether it was a good idea is another topic).
And, FOXRepublicanNews doesn't need The Great One to establish whether it is a legitimate news source. But he's the best thing that happened to FOX since the Clintons.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 4:47:01 PM
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Lapidoth
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I sat up late last night watching the elections.
I turned to CNN from time to time. Once, they finally
showed the results for Virginia and then continued their
thingy. I had to watch FOX to watch the elections.
So, cudos to FOX for their Election HQ shows.
Relevant news shown only by FOX last night.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 4:48:22 PM
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Wait, I'm not sure what you're referring to here.
Then you have been making an arguement for the administration's side when you don't even understand the whole story.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 6:13:35 PM
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... Obama wanted to deny them access to a press corps ....
Actually, based on my independent research, that's debatable. The WH says it was a misunderstanding and all is good now, Fox is sticking to it's story. However, I seriously doubt that you would accept any of my links as acceptable, so....oh well.
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As far as the "accusation" that Fox news is not part of the press...well, so what? Does anyone seriously think that's going to hurt them? It's like some Wendy's representative saying that McDonalds uses frozen meat. People like what they like and right now, the majority of people who watch news in prime time (as opposed to the quadzillions of others who watch other things or don't watch TV at all), like Fox better.
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So you would have no problem with the Obama adminsitration claiming that your chosen denomination wasn't a real religious organization? I mean those who choose that denomination aren't going to switch denominations so who cares?
Sorry, I just can't play that game. Can't see the connection. Different "animals" as you would say. Maybe to some folks, news organization (Fox) = religious organization, but not me. But if you're one of those folks, I can see how you were offended by Obama dissing your "religion".
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 7:31:15 PM
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huangshan
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Wait, I'm not sure what you're referring to here.
Then you have been making an arguement for the administration's side when you don't even understand the whole story.
I'm reasonably certain I have a clearer picture than you, which makes your complaints incomprehensible to me. If you feel that I'm ignorant somehow, please enlighten me and we can hammer this out.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 8:29:00 PM
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Actually, based on my independent research, that's debatable. The WH says it was a misunderstanding and all is good now, Fox is sticking to it's story. However, I seriously doubt that you would accept any of my links as acceptable, so....oh well.
The four other press corps networks came to Fox's aid, I think the WH is doing damage control
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Sorry, I just can't play that game. Can't see the connection. Different "animals" as you would say. Maybe to some folks, news organization (Fox) = religious organization, but not me. But if you're one of those folks, I can see how you were offended by Obama dissing your "religion".
I was not equating Fox with religion. I was making the connection via the bill of rights and the fact that all of them are equally deserving of protection.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 8:30:57 PM
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ORIGINAL: huangshanI'm reasonably certain I have a clearer picture than you, which makes your complaints incomprehensible to me. If you feel that I'm ignorant somehow, please enlighten me and we can hammer this out.
The fact that you had to ask me what I was referring to when i mentioned the issue with the press corps is proof that you actually do not understand what the whole of the issue at hand.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 8:52:18 PM
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huangshan
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ORIGINAL: huangshanI'm reasonably certain I have a clearer picture than you, which makes your complaints incomprehensible to me. If you feel that I'm ignorant somehow, please enlighten me and we can hammer this out.
The fact that you had to ask me what I was referring to when i mentioned the issue with the press corps is proof that you actually do not understand what the whole of the issue at hand.
Is it the Treasury Department thing or not? Why are you being coy all of a sudden?
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 9:00:52 PM
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ORIGINAL: huangshanI'm reasonably certain I have a clearer picture than you, which makes your complaints incomprehensible to me. If you feel that I'm ignorant somehow, please enlighten me and we can hammer this out.
The fact that you had to ask me what I was referring to when i mentioned the issue with the press corps is proof that you actually do not understand what the whole of the issue at hand.
Is it the Treasury Department thing or not? Why are you being coy all of a sudden?
I just figure that someone who has a self avowed clearer picture than I should have an understanding of the issue without me having to explain it. I mean you argued for page upon page, you would never do such a thing without an understanding of the issue at hand would you?
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/4/2009 9:04:13 PM
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I just figure that someone who has a self avowed clearer picture than I should have an understanding of the issue without me having to explain it. I mean you argued for page upon page, you would never do such a thing without an understanding of the issue at hand would you?
I'm not clear on why you're trying to make this a personal issue, and why you've spent three posts avoiding a simple question. It's odd.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/5/2009 10:00:27 AM
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I sat up late last night watching the elections.
I turned to CNN from time to time. Once, they finally
showed the results for Virginia and then continued their
thingy. I had to watch FOX to watch the elections.
So, cudos to FOX for their Election HQ shows.
Relevant news shown only by FOX last night.
That's why 4 million watched Fox. Compared to 800,000 each for CNN and MSNBC
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/5/2009 10:05:47 AM
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Aw, Gee, that hardly seems fair. Do CNN and MSNBC need bailouts?
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ORIGINAL: Lapidoth
I sat up late last night watching the elections.
I turned to CNN from time to time. Once, they finally
showed the results for Virginia and then continued their
thingy. I had to watch FOX to watch the elections.
So, cudos to FOX for their Election HQ shows.
Relevant news shown only by FOX last night.
That's why 4 million watched Fox. Compared to 800,000 each for CNN and MSNBC
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/5/2009 10:11:08 AM
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To be fair, Barack Obama is not alone. During the 08 campaign, John McCain's people steadfastly refused to let Sarah Palin appear on The O'Reilly Factor.
If Fox is so conservatively biased, it would appear O'Reilly would have been a far better choice than Gibson or Couric (and we saw how that turned out).....
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/5/2009 2:56:48 PM
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Looking back proves nothing,
but perhaps the outcome may
have been different if they had
allowed Sarah to be Sarah......
just saying
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/5/2009 10:54:23 PM
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/6/2009 8:10:34 AM
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A case in point, Shepard Smith of Fox News, would not mention the Ft. Hood shooter's name last night until he could have it officially confirmed. That's integrity. Apparently, some other news orgs were giving out the name. I don't know if their info was official or not.
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Well, as far as I'm concerned, Fox News has Integrity! They don't release information until they have confirmed it. That's probably why Obama doesn't like them and wants to isolate and maybe shut them down.
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RE: Obama Team Continues Effort to Isolate Fox News - 11/6/2009 1:26:36 PM
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Lapidoth
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A case in point, Shepard Smith of Fox News, would not mention the Ft. Hood shooter's name last night until he could have it officially confirmed. That's integrity. Apparently, some other news orgs were giving out the name. I don't know if their info was official or not.
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Well, as far as I'm concerned, Fox News has Integrity! They don't release information until they have confirmed it. That's probably why Obama doesn't like them and wants to isolate and maybe shut them down.
And another point, if you want to know what is going on,
I know of no other source to get it. At least in my area.
I surf the news channels and the others never report.
Perhaps they have to get it approved through the news czar
before anything can be broadcast.
Kudos to FOXNews.....................................
In this technology, I like watching the elections as they happen.
Hearing the speeches by the winners and losers as they give it.
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