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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 6:29:31 PM
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CommonSense549
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the fear of the Lord is the beginning of understanding. Prov 9:10
Haha, wow. The Lord brought me into this world so I could fear him? That's all? That's why I'm here? I'm supposed to love and respect someone who demands me to fear him? How reasonable.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 7:01:57 PM
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Interesting question...and thanks kisstheson for that medical explanation.
If it is true that he experienced fear, then how does this bode for those who say fear is the opposite of faith and therefore fear is a sin?
Fear is NOT the opposite of faith.. for goodness sake. Fear is a natural emotion; a very critical and necessary emotion. Fear evokes the survival instinct.. the famous fight or flight response.
Did Jesus feel fear? He would not have been human if he did not. He chose to fight. He fought the hardest fight and He won. He won for all of us. Jesus is to be looked up to by every man for His courage and strength. Jesus of Nazareth is the strongest man I've ever known!!! 
Just to be clear...I don't believe fear is the opposite of faith and have never suggested it. I was pointing out that other people believe it as I've heard it before and I think what has been written here is a great argument against it.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 10:05:29 PM
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makarizo
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the fear of the Lord is the beginning of understanding. Prov 9:10
Haha, wow. The Lord brought me into this world so I could fear him? That's all? That's why I'm here? I'm supposed to love and respect someone who demands me to fear him? How reasonable.
if this is true, would you throw your faith out the window? or would you search to find understanding that you currently lack?
The Apostle Paul was promised that he would suffer for Christ's sake (act 9:16) and Paul went out fearlessly....... does anyone think Paul was braver than Jesus?
and in Isaiah 53:10 yet it was the Lord's will to crush Him and cause Him to suffer, and tho the Lord makes his life a guilt offering he will see His offspring and prolong his days and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
....... the very purpose of Jesus existence
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/18/2009 11:40:12 PM
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if Jesus experienced fear in the form of anxiety, wouldn't that make Him a hypocrite?
why can't people understand that Jesus was not only God the Son but the Son of MAN?
If you saw the point of a big sharp spike placed in your hand and a hammer about to come down on it tell me you would wouldn't feel a twinge of fear. does that make you a hypocrite?
HE was a MAN!
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/19/2009 8:00:16 AM
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makarizo
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HE was a MAN!
Jesus was a man,....... not just like you and me..... He was born with no sin nature, He was the last Adam.
You would not have been able to give your life to save us..... for many other reasons along with the fact that you are fallen..... full of fear, sin, and other flaws that simply were not a part of the perfect man that Jesus was.
for me to implement my weaknesses onto Jesus and speculate that He was at least as vulnerable as I was is a seed of speculation that I choose not to cultivate.
perhaps Jesus lied sometimes like all men do.... thats pretty common ..... and perhaps He lusted just like all men do........ a foxy woman strutting her stuff... come on!!! He was a man.....
maybe He was full of doubt and afraid.... men do that too.
He was a man
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/19/2009 4:39:21 PM
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HE was a MAN!
Jesus was a man,....... not just like you and me..... He was born with no sin nature, He was the last Adam.
You would not have been able to give your life to save us..... for many other reasons along with the fact that you are fallen..... full of fear, sin, and other flaws that simply were not a part of the perfect man that Jesus was.
for me to implement my weaknesses onto Jesus and speculate that He was at least as vulnerable as I was is a seed of speculation that I choose not to cultivate.
perhaps Jesus lied sometimes like all men do.... thats pretty common ..... and perhaps He lusted just like all men do........ a foxy woman strutting her stuff... come on!!! He was a man.....
maybe He was full of doubt and afraid.... men do that too.
He was a man
are you serious? Lying is a sin. Fear is NOT A SIN. It's what we do with fear that makes it a sin. Jesus was tempted in all points as we. If He saw a foxy woman it's what he did with the temptation to look a second time That would make it lust. How if He able to sympathize with our weaknesses as the book of Hebrews clearly states, if He doesn't know what it's like to FEEL cold icey FEAR?
Don't deny Christ His humanity. hurting, lonely people, people struggling with addictions need to lean on a REAL MAN who overcame the world John 16:33 Not One who walked above everything as some sort of "holier than thou" untouchable.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/19/2009 10:09:27 PM
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makarizo
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sin - missing the mark
fear fits into that
fear is the mind killer, It takes one's focus off of what is real, and replaces it with the phrase "what if"
does the bible teach us that it is okay to be afraid?, ...... when Jesus was sleeping on the boat, and the disciples were terrified and woke Him, what was His response?...... did He tell them it was okay to be afraid???...... did they run to Jesus because they were sure He would understand fear, and share in that cold icey fear? why????
How if He able to sympathize with our weaknesses as the book of Hebrews clearly states, if He doesn't know what it's like to FEEL cold icey FEAR?
The LORD is for me; I will not fear ...... What can man do to me? Psalm 118:6...... Psalm 56:4, ps 27:3...... the whole book of Habakkuk, the 12 spies???
does the bible teach us that fearing anything other than the LORD is sin?..... you don't think so?
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/20/2009 2:24:40 AM
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What I think is Jesus was a REAL MAN. I don't believe for a second that He didn't cringe at the thought of His body being sliced and diced by that roman whip. and that's only the half of it. we haven't even talked about the spiritual aspect of BECOMING SIN for us, so much so that His Father would turn away. No Jesus didn't run to the sacrifice like, 'Yippee! Let Me at it!"
please don't deminish the humanity of Christ. Jesus is a real hero, a hero that gets down and dirty in the grime of life, who says, "grab hold of My hand because I've been there. When I was afraid I trusted in My Father and overcame." Not, "Hey I was never afraid so you shouldn't be either."
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/20/2009 6:29:10 PM
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makarizo
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please don't deminish the humanity of Christ.
using your logic .............
If it was impossible for a 'human" to not be afraid, then indeed the humanity of Christ would be diminished.
if it were impossible for a human to go thru life without lying, then the humanity of Christ would be diminished.
if it was impossible for a human to go thru life without lusting, then the humanity of Christ would be diminished
if it were impossible for a human to go thru life without sinning, than the humanity of Christ would be diminished.
I cannot diminish the humanity of Christ, for He was fully human, born of God with no sin nature,
in John 8 Jesus says "you are from below, and I am from above" Jesus was not diminishing His humanity.
In Phil 2 we are instructed to work out our salvation with fear and trembling
In Lk 12 Jesus says " do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that can do nothing else ......"
I don't believe He would have said it unless He really meant it. that is how the creaor of the universe was..... He always meant what He said, perhaps the most serious words in the entire bible are in red letters.unfortunately His words are downsized all the time.
If you perceive the passion of Christ as an era of fear for Him, then we disagree.
I will never attempt to diminish Christ's humanity, but I will also never attempt to diminish His nature either.
if it was okay for Him to be afraid, then it is okay for me to he afraid, and everything He said about fear becomes worthless in some sort of assumptive language.
this is my last post here, so if you want the last word. here you go. 
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/20/2009 7:05:56 PM
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Did Jesus ever experience fear, or did his divinity keep him completely emotionally secure even in the face of extreme torture?
No. Love and fear are opposite ends of the continum. We either live motivated by love (in Christ) or by fear (without Christ). The closer we grow to Jesus, the more our fear is cast out by Perfect Love Himself, Jesus.
Was Jesus tempted to fear? Probably. That's what satan would have desired. But Jesus only does or says what He sees His Father doing or saying. Therefore He turned from the temptation to confident faith.
Secure? Absolutely. \o/
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 10/21/2009 5:38:44 PM
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if it was okay for Him to be afraid, then it is okay for me to he afraid, and everything He said about fear becomes worthless in some sort of assumptive language.
It's okay for you to be afraid because Hebrews says your High priest was tempted in every way yet without sin and is able to sympathize with you weakness. Next time you are afraid you won't find Jesus condemning you because He knows what it's like to be a real man. all that He says about fear is not worthless because He speaks from the point of view of someone who walked through it and overcame.
That's why Jesus gets 110% respect and worship. He's an honest to goodness true Hero!
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 11/4/2009 5:10:30 AM
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I bet Jesus experienced fear when He asked God why He had forsaken Him
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 11/6/2009 11:08:09 AM
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If God fears something there is something greater than God...
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 11/6/2009 1:16:36 PM
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If God fears something there is something greater than God...
I fear spiders, does that mean that spiders are greater than me?
Also, Jesus was not only God.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 11/6/2009 2:22:46 PM
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I fear spiders, does that mean that spiders are greater than me?
You are not God...And to a degree they are greater than you in that you allow them to govern you in some ways...
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Also, Jesus was not only God.
What else was He's Was He less than?
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 11/6/2009 2:33:30 PM
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As well, fear is always tied to the unknown... Generally the basis for fear....
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 11/11/2009 10:54:45 PM
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I believe Jesus at some point in his life probably experienced fear. Fear of what is the question. Seems like we often forget Jesus was also a child, and he also lived an authentic human existence even as a child. Who knows a child who doesn't fear something at some point in their lives. Psychologists say that humans are born with two natural fears; a fear of falling, and a fear of loud noises -- Dont know if that actually has anything to do with the topic though.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 11/13/2009 10:58:13 AM
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As well, fear is always tied to the unknown... Generally the basis for fear....
I disagree. I think if you know exactly what's coming at you, and that something is intense pain, you can be afraid of it.
I think Jesus experience fear, but that it is not the same as being afraid. To recognize what was coming at him, to feel a lump in his throat or his body respond naturally to anxiety, none of that detract from his God-ness. I think that when confronted with it, he gave it to his father and was given mastery of it.
In that way, the fear was not greater than God, but Jesus was still human.
I know I don't have verses, and so I'll defer to the scripture if it contradicts me.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 11/13/2009 11:04:31 AM
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As well, fear is always tied to the unknown... Generally the basis for fear....
I disagree. I think if you know exactly what's coming at you, and that something is intense pain, you can be afraid of it.
I think Jesus experience fear, but that it is not the same as being afraid. To recognize what was coming at him, to feel a lump in his throat or his body respond naturally to anxiety, none of that detract from his God-ness. I think that when confronted with it, he gave it to his father and was given mastery of it.
In that way, the fear was not greater than God, but Jesus was still human.
I know I don't have verses, and so I'll defer to the scripture if it contradicts me.
What did Jesus fear?
Is there something greater than God? No...
Can something harm God? No...
Is there something unknown to God? No...
Does He lack faith? No...
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 11/13/2009 1:35:53 PM
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If it is true that he experienced fear, then how does this bode for those who say fear is the opposite of faith and therefore fear is a sin? That falls into the same category as those who say that all sexual desire (especially if you are not married) equals sinful lust. Therefore Jesus could have never experienced sexual temptation, whereas Hebrews tells us He was tempted IN ALL WAYS like us yet without sin.
It is another misintrepretation of scripture; trying to make something that happens in some cases fit every case.
There are times when fear is the opposite of faith. That happens when we shrink back from doing God's will. That means we have embraced the fear and act in obedience to it rather than obedience to God.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 11/17/2009 11:08:51 PM
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I have the feeling that modern people already lost their senses on something.
When someone's name is with disgrace and insult, one will call for a duel. Which simply means he treasures his name more than his own life. He fears his own name will be with disgrace and insult more than anything. Yet modern people never have this kind of fear, that's why they never duel with their own lives.
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RE: Did Jesus ever experience fear? - 11/18/2009 8:55:06 PM
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As well, fear is always tied to the unknown... Generally the basis for fear... Actually, SIH, that is not the general consensus of psychologists. Fear requires a specific person, object, circumstance, etc to generate the emotion. Anxiety is a general sense of discomfort without specified cause. Other than that it's nice to agree with you for a change. 
I do not believe Jesus experience true fear because 1 John 4:18 is quite explicit - "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love." Surely we can all agree that Jesus' love was perfect even while here on earth as fully human.
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