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RE: Do You Understand That Salvation is by Grace? - 11/19/2009 12:02:27 PM
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apostolic862004
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I'll add my 2 cents quickly cause our money is losing its value fast! LOL!
We are saved by grace through faith. What does that mean?
I think we all agree that grace is simply unmerritted favor. God showed us favor that we did nothing to earn or deserve. When did he do that? On calvary. Nothing we did or could do made us worthy enough for him to die for us. He did that of his own choosing not ours. So that is grace. It was his grace that caused him to die and make salvation AVAILABLE to every human being. That's the problem right there. Too many people think that when Jesus died on the cross, everybody was saved at that moment. NO, NO, NO! When he died, he made salvation AVAILABLE to all of mankind. You still have to DO something to be saved. You have to OBEY! It was the grace of God that made it available to us because none of us DESERVE to be saved. So, that's where grace comes in. We are saved by grace, or by his death. Where does faith come in?
Faith comes in when we believe that he really did die for our sins and we OBEY his words. Here is where most people disagree. Let me pose a question: Do you really have faith if you don't do anything to substantiate your faith? According to James chapter 2, you have dead faith if there are no works with it. You cannot be saved by dead faith.
(I love this next part!)
In Galations 2:16, Paul makes this statement, "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ." But in James 2:24, James makes this statement, "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only." Uh-oh! We have a direct contradiction here right? WRONG!
Paul and James are both talking about the same works, however, they are addressing the quote:
ATTITUDE or MOTIVESbehind the works. We don't do the works TO be saved, we do the works BECAUSE we are saved or because we have faith. But rest assured, if you are saved, the works will come. You will bear the fruits of the Spirit if you really have the Spirit. You won't have the Spirit living inside of you and bear the fruits of sin because that seed that is in you is not a "Sin plant seed" but rather it is a "Holiness plant seed." So you will inevitably bear the fruit of the seed that is planted in you. The works will follow if you really, truly believe.
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RE: Do You Understand That Salvation is by Grace? - 11/19/2009 2:38:09 PM
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greatdivide46
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ORIGINAL: Eutychus
A real life example: A 400 pound paraplegic man who is bed bound when he heard the Gospel and was born again. Should he resign himself to hell because of his physical condition?
No he should not resign himself to hell because of his physical condition. If the Philippian jailer had died of a heart attack before reaching the water of baptism, he would have been saved. If one has faith but no access to baptism, one has Christ! On the other hand, if one has baptism but has not faith, one has nothing. That, however, does not make baptism unnecessary. If someone has access to baptism but refuses to be baptized, I'd doubt their salvation.
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For who can eat and who can enjoy life apart from Him?. -- Ecclesiastes 2:25 (HCSB)
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RE: Do You Understand That Salvation is by Grace? - 11/20/2009 12:12:32 PM
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Eutychus
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ORIGINAL: greatdivide46
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ORIGINAL: Eutychus
A real life example: A 400 pound paraplegic man who is bed bound when he heard the Gospel and was born again. Should he resign himself to hell because of his physical condition?
No he should not resign himself to hell because of his physical condition. If the Philippian jailer had died of a heart attack before reaching the water of baptism, he would have been saved. If one has faith but no access to baptism, one has Christ! On the other hand, if one has baptism but has not faith, one has nothing. That, however, does not make baptism unnecessary. If someone has access to baptism but refuses to be baptized, I'd doubt their salvation.
I agree with that. I just do not accept the notion that literal H2O is used in removing sin or in completing one's salvation experience. Or as the old hymn puts it:
What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
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Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent." -John 6:29
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RE: Do You Understand That Salvation is by Grace? - 11/20/2009 1:27:11 PM
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terryjohn
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So what is the connection between love and faith? If a man has faith and no love will his faith save him? It will be admitted that all men have some kind of faith even in the wrong things and it cannot be argued that all faiths lead to salvation but Gods love is love and there are no difference and if a man has a love which is not of God it is not worthy to be called love at all.
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RE: Do You Understand That Salvation is by Grace? - 11/20/2009 3:56:41 PM
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greatdivide46
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I agree with that. I just do not accept the notion that literal H2O is used in removing sin or in completing one's salvation experience. Or as the old hymn puts it:
What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
Of course literal H20 does not remove our sin. As the song you wisely quoted says, only the blood of Jesus can wash away my sin. That fact that that occurs when we are baptized in water doesn't mean that it's actually the water that's washing away our sin. Some people tend to give baptism a lot more content than God does in His word. Nevertheless God desires for His people to be baptized.
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For who can eat and who can enjoy life apart from Him?. -- Ecclesiastes 2:25 (HCSB)
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RE: Do You Understand That Salvation is by Grace? - 11/25/2009 5:17:31 PM
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jjbird
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Eutychus
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ORIGINAL: greatdivide46
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ORIGINAL: Eutychus
A real life example: A 400 pound paraplegic man who is bed bound when he heard the Gospel and was born again. Should he resign himself to hell because of his physical condition?
No he should not resign himself to hell because of his physical condition. If the Philippian jailer had died of a heart attack before reaching the water of baptism, he would have been saved. If one has faith but no access to baptism, one has Christ! On the other hand, if one has baptism but has not faith, one has nothing. That, however, does not make baptism unnecessary. If someone has access to baptism but refuses to be baptized, I'd doubt their salvation.
I agree with that. I just do not accept the notion that literal H2O is used in removing sin or in completing one's salvation experience. Or as the old hymn puts it:
What can wash away my sin?
Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
Why can't you accept the notion when Jesus practiced it and commanded his disciples to do it?
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RE: Do You Understand That Salvation is by Grace? - 11/26/2009 1:16:40 PM
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That was me :D
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