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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/13/2009 8:03:02 AM
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So as long as the US isn't blamed for the world's problems it is ok to let everything go down the drain?
That's certainly the strategy that Washington and our other founding fathers advocated, and it obviously served us extremely well for the first 120 years- and arguably, the first 170 years of our existence. The big government required to fight communism in the late '40s and '50s gave rise to the higher taxes and the welfare state of the '60s and '70s.
Living in a multilateral world where we're not sending troops all over the planet is a much cheaper and more sustainable strategy for the country than trying to maintain our status as a Cold War superpower.
My view is that economically, fixing the world's problems is an expensive waste of money. And morally, if people are going to say that we hurt them by fixing their problems, we have no moral obligation to help them.
For the most part I agree with Blessed, especially what I made bold. The whole concept of being the "world's policeman" has done nothing but fritter away our men, our resources, and our money.
All I know is when our military goes to war with the purpose of defeating an enemy we win. When it goes to war in some police action kind of conflict where the politicians make the rules up as we go along, we struggle and sometimes fail. If we were made to be "peacekeepers" we sure have a lousy record compared to when we go into a conflict to actually win it.
Now back on topic - why does anyone even care that there is a Nobel Peace Prize and that B0 won it? If it was an award that really meant something than obviously someone who has really done nothing wouldn't have won it.
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/13/2009 8:04:28 AM
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And as I noted, given America's current involvement in two wars, that's laughable on its face.
I could also talk about America's military standing by during the genocide of Shia and Sunni Muslims in Iraq, Africans in Sudan, Bosnians, Rwandans, Kurds and Cambodians. But that might be gratuitous.
I keep wanting to say how we kept the Russians in check, but that was our nukes more than anything plus there were at times more Russians on their eastern border than on their western.
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/13/2009 10:16:56 AM
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Liz Cheney: Obama should accept the award on behalf of the U.S. Military, the greatest peace keeping force in the world today.
"Peace keeping force"? Really? The American military basically stood by as the Shias and Sunnis killed each other in Iraq, and right now they're barely holding together two of the bigger basketcases in the world. And these are basketcases that the military attacked.
I wouldn't necessarily put most the blame on the military here, given that they were ordered into Afghanistan and Iraq, but calling the military a "peace keeping force" is just idiotic.
And your most intelligent solution is.......................................?
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/13/2009 1:26:40 PM
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And according to the Patriot Post, he also has or will win an NBA MVP trophy for his pick-up basketball games, the Cy Young Award for throwing out the first pitch, an Emmy for being on TV, and a bunch of gold medals for speaking to the Olympic Committee. 
http://patriotpost.us/edition/2009/10/12/brief/
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So what does all this stuff have to do with BO being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize?
***hint, hint*** 
I don't know, but my money's on the President, to beat out Tim Tebow, for the Heisman this year!
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/13/2009 1:29:56 PM
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Liz Cheney: Obama should accept the award on behalf of the U.S. Military, the greatest peace keeping force in the world today.
"Peace keeping force"? Really? The American military basically stood by as the Shias and Sunnis killed each other in Iraq, and right now they're barely holding together two of the bigger basketcases in the world. And these are basketcases that the military attacked.
I wouldn't necessarily put most the blame on the military here, given that they were ordered into Afghanistan and Iraq, but calling the military a "peace keeping force" is just idiotic.
And your most intelligent solution is.......................................?
Ignore Liz Cheney. She's a clueless partisan hack who uses her last name to get work as a pundit.
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/13/2009 1:35:35 PM
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And as I noted, given America's current involvement in two wars, that's laughable on its face.
I could also talk about America's military standing by during the genocide of Shia and Sunni Muslims in Iraq, Africans in Sudan, Bosnians, Rwandans, Kurds and Cambodians. But that might be gratuitous.
I keep wanting to say how we kept the Russians in check, but that was our nukes more than anything plus there were at times more Russians on their eastern border than on their western.
Nukes were pretty useful. But a recognition of the fractured nature of the myriad communist factions would have save enormous numbers of lives and resources. I think the actual military forces, whatever their usefulness, are misused most of the time.
In an effort to tie this tangent back to the subject of the thread and the statements by the Nobel committee, Obama's reliance on diplomacy is, in my estimation, definitely something worth noticing and respecting.
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/13/2009 1:45:18 PM
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You mean like Al Gore, Michael Moore, and the biggest joke of all, Al Franken?
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Liz Cheney: Obama should accept the award on behalf of the U.S. Military, the greatest peace keeping force in the world today.
"Peace keeping force"? Really? The American military basically stood by as the Shias and Sunnis killed each other in Iraq, and right now they're barely holding together two of the bigger basketcases in the world. And these are basketcases that the military attacked.
I wouldn't necessarily put most the blame on the military here, given that they were ordered into Afghanistan and Iraq, but calling the military a "peace keeping force" is just idiotic.
And your most intelligent solution is.......................................?
Ignore Liz Cheney. She's a clueless partisan hack who uses her last name to get work as a pundit.
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/13/2009 1:59:20 PM
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And as I noted, given America's current involvement in two wars, that's laughable on its face.
I could also talk about America's military standing by during the genocide of Shia and Sunni Muslims in Iraq, Africans in Sudan, Bosnians, Rwandans, Kurds and Cambodians. But that might be gratuitous.
I keep wanting to say how we kept the Russians in check, but that was our nukes more than anything plus there were at times more Russians on their eastern border than on their western.
Nukes were pretty useful. But a recognition of the fractured nature of the myriad communist factions would have save enormous numbers of lives and resources. I think the actual military forces, whatever their usefulness, are misused most of the time.
In an effort to tie this tangent back to the subject of the thread and the statements by the Nobel committee, Obama's reliance on diplomacy is, in my estimation, definitely something worth noticing and respecting.
A crow bar being misused does not negate its usefulness.
Also, since I was part of a "peace keeping force" once, I think your notion that "calling the military a peace keeping force is idiotic" is more that in itself due to your lack of knowledge from never having been a part of one.
Once you have participated in a peace keeping force, please get back to us and share your first hand experience ok?
But in the mean time here's a simple litmus test you can apply to help you figure it out.
When the military is fighting an agressor it's a fighting force. When the military is not fighting, its a peace keeping force preventing aggressors from trying it again.
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/13/2009 2:19:04 PM
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Liz Cheney: Obama should accept the award on behalf of the U.S. Military, the greatest peace keeping force in the world today.
"Peace keeping force"? Really? The American military basically stood by as the Shias and Sunnis killed each other in Iraq, and right now they're barely holding together two of the bigger basketcases in the world. And these are basketcases that the military attacked.
I wouldn't necessarily put most the blame on the military here, given that they were ordered into Afghanistan and Iraq, but calling the military a "peace keeping force" is just idiotic.
And your most intelligent solution is.......................................?
Ignore Liz Cheney. She's a clueless partisan hack who uses her last name to get work as a pundit.
That's your intelligent solution?.................Otaaaay............
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/13/2009 2:47:34 PM
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huangshan
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Ignore Liz Cheney. She's a clueless partisan hack who uses her last name to get work as a pundit.
You mean like Al Gore, Michael Moore, and the biggest joke of all, Al Franken?
I don't see the connection. All of them earned their name recognition.
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/13/2009 2:54:34 PM
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Nukes were pretty useful. But a recognition of the fractured nature of the myriad communist factions would have save enormous numbers of lives and resources. I think the actual military forces, whatever their usefulness, are misused most of the time.
In an effort to tie this tangent back to the subject of the thread and the statements by the Nobel committee, Obama's reliance on diplomacy is, in my estimation, definitely something worth noticing and respecting.
Also, since I was part of a "peace keeping force" once, I think your notion that "calling the military a peace keeping force is idiotic" is more that in itself due to your lack of knowledge from never having been a part of one.
Once you have participated in a peace keeping force, please get back to us and share your first hand experience ok?
But in the mean time here's a simple litmus test you can apply to help you figure it out.
When the military is fighting an agressor it's a fighting force. When the military is not fighting, its a peace keeping force preventing aggressors from trying it again.
I'm aware of the results, successes, and chronic inactivity in the field of "peace keeping". America has the most powerful military in the world and it's:
1) Done nothing to stop numerous genocides and atrocities over the years.
2) Created a breeding ground for terrorists in Iraq.
3) Utterly failed to affect any kind of significant or durable change in Afghanistan.
Please enlighten me as to the peacekeeping successes of this so-called peacekeeping force.
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/13/2009 3:35:16 PM
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Nukes were pretty useful. But a recognition of the fractured nature of the myriad communist factions would have save enormous numbers of lives and resources. I think the actual military forces, whatever their usefulness, are misused most of the time.
In an effort to tie this tangent back to the subject of the thread and the statements by the Nobel committee, Obama's reliance on diplomacy is, in my estimation, definitely something worth noticing and respecting.
Also, since I was part of a "peace keeping force" once, I think your notion that "calling the military a peace keeping force is idiotic" is more that in itself due to your lack of knowledge from never having been a part of one.
Once you have participated in a peace keeping force, please get back to us and share your first hand experience ok?
But in the mean time here's a simple litmus test you can apply to help you figure it out.
When the military is fighting an agressor it's a fighting force. When the military is not fighting, its a peace keeping force preventing aggressors from trying it again.
I'm aware of the results, successes, and chronic inactivity in the field of "peace keeping". America has the most powerful military in the world and it's:
1) Done nothing to stop numerous genocides and atrocities over the years.
2) Created a breeding ground for terrorists in Iraq.
3) Utterly failed to affect any kind of significant or durable change in Afghanistan.
Please enlighten me as to the peacekeeping successes of this so-called peacekeeping force.
I think i can sum up your three points into 1:
The U.S. military is imperfect in an imperfect world.
That still doesn't support an idea that the world would have more peace without it.
and since we have confronted extremist terroists in their home land, there has been zero attacks on U.S. soil, that is the success and that is why they deserve respect and gratitude instead of degrading remarks.
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/13/2009 6:56:26 PM
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I'm aware of the results, successes, and chronic inactivity in the field of "peace keeping". America has the most powerful military in the world and it's:
1) Done nothing to stop numerous genocides and atrocities over the years.
2) Created a breeding ground for terrorists in Iraq.
3) Utterly failed to affect any kind of significant or durable change in Afghanistan.
Please enlighten me as to the peacekeeping successes of this so-called peacekeeping force.
I think i can sum up your three points into 1:
The U.S. military is imperfect in an imperfect world.
That still doesn't support an idea that the world would have more peace without it.
and since we have confronted extremist terroists in their home land, there has been zero attacks on U.S. soil, that is the success and that is why they deserve respect and gratitude instead of degrading remarks.
"So Cambodia killed 1/3 of its own population and American troops did nothing. So Saddam Hussein gassed a few thousand Kurds and American troops did nothing. So Rwanda. So Sudan. It's an imperfect world! The American military does a great job!"
"Since the American military reacted against terrorists who killed 3,000 Americans, they've destabilized a region and observed the destruction of Iraqi society as Sunnis and Shias killed each other off, with 100,000 Iraqis dead (who had nothing to do with the 3,000 American casualties of 9/11) and over 4,000 American soldiers killed.
And now Al Qaida is in Pakistan. And Pakistan has nukes!
But hey, no more deaths on American soil! Go peace keepers!"
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/13/2009 7:52:31 PM
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In an effort to tie this tangent back to the subject of the thread and the statements by the Nobel committee, Obama's reliance on diplomacy is, in my estimation, definitely something worth noticing and respecting.
Diplomacy - both good and bad was practiced pretty vigorously by our country from the time of the Great War up until around 2001. I consider the Nixon administrations actions towards China to be more worthy of anything B0 does to this point but I wouldn't consider Nixon someone who should have gotten one.
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/13/2009 8:18:09 PM
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But hey, no more deaths on American soil! Go peace keepers!"
You can be flippant about us protecting our mainland all you want, we who are protected appreciate it. What would you have us do, wait around for a few thousand more of our countrymen to be destroyed? At what point would you allow the US to retaliate for attacks upon it's mainland? Never mind embassy attacks, attacks on military barracks, attacks on US naval ships because by your attitude it would appear that American lives are not worth defending.
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/14/2009 1:20:49 AM
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/14/2009 9:03:58 AM
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Does anybody think this dewey button, i mean nobel peace prize has had an effect on Obama's time table decision process for Afghanistan and the extra troops asked for by the generals?
Last I heard he was in committee. Think this committee will come up with something before Christmas?
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/14/2009 11:04:18 AM
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Does anybody think this dewey button, i mean nobel peace prize has had an effect on Obama's time table decision process for Afghanistan and the extra troops asked for by the generals?
Last I heard he was in committee. Think this committee will come up with something before Christmas?
The Peace prize thing doesn't mean much now because it's not changing anybody's mind about anything. Where it will be a problem is in 2012 when he will have to hear about it in every attack ad and in every debate. Not to mention the e-mails!!!!
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RE: Obama wins a nobel peace prize - 10/15/2009 8:49:03 AM
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I didn't read the whole thread, so forgive me if this was mentioned.
I was just wondering what the Obamas were planning on doing with Barack's prize money. Are they keeping it, or donating it?
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