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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/9/2009 5:40:44 AM
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Well if you stopped giving people who are clearly in need of medical attention over there dangerous advice like telling them to blow off their doctors, perhaps you wouldn't be call on the carpet quite so often.
My wife passed out yesterday and I was the first to call the ambulance (fortunately it was nothing serious) and I am the first to recommend blood work.
However, if she's iron-deficient anemic, for example, then I am also the first to challenge the quality of medical iron pills that the doctor prescribes over something better chelated in a health store.
It's their so-called prevention philosophy, not trauma that I challenge. In other words, I am the opposite and choose (and hope others do the same) not to walk around all drugged up instead of doing something radical like trusting in the Lord to heal me (and the natural remedies he gives Sirach 38:4).
And since it's the former, name one thing I said that was dangerous regarding that.
That's what I thought. It's more a matter of head-butting because of a medical condition called Impacted Coleoptera at the lower digestive sphincter muscle (ICLDSM) against everything I say. But choose you own way. I think that they have a drug for that, too.
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/9/2009 10:41:45 AM
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Well if you stopped giving people who are clearly in need of medical attention over there dangerous advice like telling them to blow off their doctors, perhaps you wouldn't be call on the carpet quite so often.
My wife passed out yesterday and I was the first to call the ambulance (fortunately it was nothing serious) and I am the first to recommend blood work.
However, if she's iron-deficient anemic, for example, then I am also the first to challenge the quality of medical iron pills that the doctor prescribes over something better chelated in a health store.
It's their so-called prevention philosophy, not trauma that I challenge. In other words, I am the opposite and choose (and hope others do the same) not to walk around all drugged up instead of doing something radical like trusting in the Lord to heal me (and the natural remedies he gives Sirach 38:4).
And since it's the former, name one thing I said that was dangerous regarding that.
That's what I thought. It's more a matter of head-butting because of a medical condition called Impacted Coleoptera at the lower digestive sphincter muscle (ICLDSM) against everything I say. But choose you own way. I think that they have a drug for that, too.
 You're Not alone, I agree with you. I've Never seen so many people in the USA walking around at the same time all drugged up; It has to be the culture of this age, and, the new age of damnable medical philosophy.
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/9/2009 1:57:57 PM
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Well if you stopped giving people who are clearly in need of medical attention over there dangerous advice like telling them to blow off their doctors, perhaps you wouldn't be call on the carpet quite so often.
My wife passed out yesterday and I was the first to call the ambulance (fortunately it was nothing serious) and I am the first to recommend blood work.
However, if she's iron-deficient anemic, for example, then I am also the first to challenge the quality of medical iron pills that the doctor prescribes over something better chelated in a health store.
It's their so-called prevention philosophy, not trauma that I challenge. In other words, I am the opposite and choose (and hope others do the same) not to walk around all drugged up instead of doing something radical like trusting in the Lord to heal me (and the natural remedies he gives Sirach 38:4).
And since it's the former, name one thing I said that was dangerous regarding that.
That's what I thought. It's more a matter of head-butting because of a medical condition called Impacted Coleoptera at the lower digestive sphincter muscle (ICLDSM) against everything I say. But choose you own way. I think that they have a drug for that, too.
Sometimes that natural stuff doesn't work for people, but pharmaceuticals do-- natural "remedies" almost landed me in the hospital on several occasions, as well as my mom. If you don't like it, then that's fine. I don't see the point in bashing people who make different choices or don't get results from whatever stuff you use. God can use any means He feels like to heal people. He uses drugs and plants, doctors and surgeons as tools-- He can also use nothing and heal you without an instrument. If natural stuff works for people and they like it, that's fine. It's no better to go around telling people that medical science is bunk, when it isn't. It's bunk that God uses to save people I suppose then.
Tac, people blow off their doctors many times because they just want to. I know you've seen people with infections get a cycle of antibiotics which they are told to take all of; they take half and "get better," then end up back at the doc with the same infection.
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/9/2009 2:07:02 PM
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I agree, Solo. Besides, I don't consider anything in the Apocrypha as reliable instructions from the Lord.
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/9/2009 8:46:28 PM
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Sometimes that natural stuff doesn't work for people, but pharmaceuticals do-- natural "remedies" almost landed me in the hospital on several occasions, as well as my mom.
Never said that everyone should be natural, although I admit I come across that way. Take note of the theme and title of this thread. I am actually on the defensive as I am not an offensive person by nature. Actually, I am reacting to the very same thing you said, only regarding medicine. I detest when the philosophy "one size fits all" is applied to me as well, and I am high-pressured into drugs when they think "natural is not working on me". That's basically what I am saying.
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Besides, I don't consider anything in the Apocrypha as reliable instructions from the Lord.
I do. It's the inspired Word of God. However, by it's own admission it is secondary to the main bible the Protestants use and is addressed to the wise amongst the people. In addition, there are other books the Lord gave to certain people. They shed additional light on what the bible is already saying, but people fail to see. the bible is written in words, stone, and the stars (the zodiac) as Isaiah and psalms testify to.
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/10/2009 4:59:20 PM
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And since it's the former, name one thing I said that was dangerous regarding that.
Gladly. You said this to a person suffering from Graves Disease who has been advised by multiple doctors that she should have her thyroid removed in order to preserve her long term health>
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I think your real problem is with the medical establishment's nonsense. I would go natural. Maybe a Naturopath or similar doctor could help. Don't depend on drugs or radical surgery or anything similar.
Coming from someone who knows next to nothing about Graves disease, this is absolutely irresponsible advice and, if she comes to believe what's she's being told is "nonsense" (how on earth do you even know that?) then she could end up harming her health irrevocable.
Next, you said this to someone due to have some skin removed after a mole was found to be precancerous:
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Stop worrying. I think there's a lot of hoopla over "precancerous cells" and the propaganda that removing them (such as polyps in the intestines) will somehow reduce one's risk of cancer. If you are going to get cancer, it will show up with more vengence even if it's "removed" first.
Again, this is highly irresponsible and extremely dangerous advice -- not to mention that it's utterly, utterly wrong. In fact you could not be more wrong, and if this person had taken your advice then they would still be in serious danger of developing full blown skin cancer.
Finally, every time you preach vitamins and supplements over vaccines, you are giving dangerous advice. Vaccines save more lives in one year than talking supplements ever hae in the history of mankind.
72 American children are already lying dead from the H1N1 flu virus this year so far, and the flu season has barely begun. Sadly there was no vaccine to keep them safe at the time, but telling parents that the flu vaccine is more dangerous than the flu is the height of irresponsibility when children are dying all around from the flu (and none from the vaccine -- none at all).
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/11/2009 11:13:22 AM
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You're Not alone, I agree with you. I've Never seen so many people in the USA walking around at the same time all drugged up; It has to be the culture of this age, and, the new age of damnable medical philosophy.
I devoted this post just for you. You are a good red-blooded woman that I like. Of course "they" (the tofu eaters) warned us of the danger of eating beef, right? 
It has become so hard, especially in this 'Conspiracy' folder, to tell who is being serious and who is being facetious, none-the-less, I'm going to step out in faith believing you were being serious and accept this as a compliment and say thank you for your words, and, your loving kindness and understanding of my faith in this matter, and on some other subjects as well.
I don't think I'll ever understand how 'Christians'; followers of Jesus Christ --- the Word of God; call Doctors and follow their words to the letter, including taking all recommended drugs, First; And call the elders of the Church and/or seek God, as a secondary or Last resort.
I don't think I'll ever understand 'Christians'; followers of Jesus Christ --- the Word of God; who do not take scripture; God's subscribed word as seriously and trustingly as they take doctors subscribed drugs; many are even too lazy to even look up scriptures on health and healing subjects, for themselves. Scriptures like these for example:
Matthew 6:34; James 4:14; James 5:14-16
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/11/2009 1:12:29 PM
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Of course "they" (the tofu eaters) warned us of the danger of eating beef, right?
I really feel sorry for all those "they"s; the tofu eaters, and those who warn us of eating beef; they are missing a lot of good tasting stuff, and for what? A skinny body? No thanks I'll pass. Been there done that, it's not all its creaked up to be. I weighed 98 pound when I got married; a 105 when I delivered our first child; 115-lbs when I delivered our second child; and .... . Each day I ate without any fear or worries of what the next day, next month, next year or years ahead would bring. I lived without "what if" controlling my life. God controlled, provided, and blessed my life back then, as He does today. Although I may be considered over weight today by doctors charts, it makes no never mind to me, because today is all I have --- and I'll be eating pork today , tomorrow will take care of itself.
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/11/2009 4:12:09 PM
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ORIGINAL: justpassinby
And since it's the former, name one thing I said that was dangerous regarding that.
Gladly. You said this to a person suffering from Graves Disease who has been advised by multiple doctors that she should have her thyroid removed in order to preserve her long term health>
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I think your real problem is with the medical establishment's nonsense. I would go natural. Maybe a Naturopath or similar doctor could help. Don't depend on drugs or radical surgery or anything similar.
Coming from someone who knows next to nothing about Graves disease, this is absolutely irresponsible advice and, if she comes to believe what's she's being told is "nonsense" (how on earth do you even know that?) then she could end up harming her health irrevocable.
Next, you said this to someone due to have some skin removed after a mole was found to be precancerous:
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Stop worrying. I think there's a lot of hoopla over "precancerous cells" and the propaganda that removing them (such as polyps in the intestines) will somehow reduce one's risk of cancer. If you are going to get cancer, it will show up with more vengence even if it's "removed" first.
Again, this is highly irresponsible and extremely dangerous advice -- not to mention that it's utterly, utterly wrong. In fact you could not be more wrong, and if this person had taken your advice then they would still be in serious danger of developing full blown skin cancer.
Finally, every time you preach vitamins and supplements over vaccines, you are giving dangerous advice. Vaccines save more lives in one year than talking supplements ever hae in the history of mankind.
72 American children are already lying dead from the H1N1 flu virus this year so far, and the flu season has barely begun. Sadly there was no vaccine to keep them safe at the time, but telling parents that the flu vaccine is more dangerous than the flu is the height of irresponsibility when children are dying all around from the flu (and none from the vaccine -- none at all).
I think part of the problem is that some people will bash medical science, after never having studied it-- or studying the "other" side only.  Medicine isn't some esoteric branch of science that's not understandable; I admit that many things are complicated and not everyone can "get" them, but if you want to learn medical science, biology books and medical books are plenty of places. Chemistry and biochemistry books are everywhere. I have some college biology texts that I give to people. Not to mention that many don't even know what goes into research and development of new medicines and devices. Natural substances and some medicines mirror each other, but listening to some people, you wouldn't know that. Natural substances work for a reason....biochemical mechanisms.
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/12/2009 1:42:53 PM
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Natural substances and some medicines mirror each other, but listening to some people, you wouldn't know that. Natural substances work for a reason....biochemical mechanisms.
Up to a point. There are no known naturally occurring substances that can make cancer go into remission, for example (despite the claims of the quacks looking to make a killing from hawking "natural cures"). It's true that if you have a healthy natural diet you are less likely to develop cancer in the first place but that's not the same thing -- and even then it just lowers the odds, it is not a surefire protection by any means.
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/12/2009 3:17:29 PM
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Natural substances and some medicines mirror each other, but listening to some people, you wouldn't know that. Natural substances work for a reason....biochemical mechanisms.
Up to a point. There are no known naturally occurring substances that can make cancer go into remission, for example (despite the claims of the quacks looking to make a killing from hawking "natural cures"). It's true that if you have a healthy natural diet you are less likely to develop cancer in the first place but that's not the same thing -- and even then it just lowers the odds, it is not a surefire protection by any means.
If you eat a berry, fish or a carrot, etc., that's natural. Taking a pill, drinking a drink, mixing a powder,etc. is NOT "natural". It's been processed and "walked on" by human beings.
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/12/2009 4:19:22 PM
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Natural substances and some medicines mirror each other, but listening to some people, you wouldn't know that. Natural substances work for a reason....biochemical mechanisms.
Up to a point. There are no known naturally occurring substances that can make cancer go into remission, for example (despite the claims of the quacks looking to make a killing from hawking "natural cures"). It's true that if you have a healthy natural diet you are less likely to develop cancer in the first place but that's not the same thing -- and even then it just lowers the odds, it is not a surefire protection by any means.
Yeah, I know. I study herbs, but I like to know why things work before I ingest them-- unless we don't know why (yet). I've never taken an herb or medicine without knowing how they work on a biochem. level. But, a lot of mistakes have been made on that end in research, such as with thalidomide. The medicine is still in use today, and works wonderfully for leprosy, but when they were marketing it, no one noticed that there are two isomers-- one that causes birth defects and one that remedies nausea and leprosy. As far as I know, they still can't separate the isomers and the women who take it have to go through things to ensure no pregnancy occurs. Herbs can be that way too... but it seems like no one wants to tell you that herbs have side effects. I advocate a healty diet if you have the access and means to do so. Many natural substances and unprocessed foods harm me due to a chemical plants use to manufacture food-- I stay away as much as I can. I have to have processed foods if I want to be able to function. :)
I don't care how people choose to treat their medical problems, as long as they are an adult making a decision for their own health. I'd rather people be educated and and make a fully-informed decision, but if someone doesn't want to be informed purposefully, then that's what they chose and their right. I don't advocate someone with a medical or scientific education trying to dupe people into believing anything because they have that eduction behind them, but I was telling someone just the other day that opinions are so disparate, and some doctors have their agendas to push... people don't know what to believe. Some people don't have that kind of education or understanding at all, and they don't know who to believe when five doctors say fifteen different things that all don't match each other. Doctors can't even trust that other doctors' research is real.
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/19/2009 7:43:57 PM
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K, here's what we do...
Y'all clear out the guestroom for me, and I'll be right on over, after flushing my lithium, effexor, and levothyroxine. I get to live with you for six months, sleep endlessly - or not at all, cry, talk incessantly, engage in countless impulsive activities, rage at your entire family, and finally, when I can't take the madness anymore, drive my car off a cliff. Of course I'm sure if I just believed the Bible, prayed, were saved......oh wait! I AM saved, and I DO pray and read the Bible.
Any takers? I travel light
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/20/2009 4:33:19 PM
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K, here's what we do...
Y'all clear out the guestroom for me, and I'll be right on over, after flushing my lithium, effexor, and levothyroxine. I get to live with you for six months, sleep endlessly - or not at all, cry, talk incessantly, engage in countless impulsive activities, rage at your entire family, and finally, when I can't take the madness anymore, drive my car off a cliff. Of course I'm sure if I just believed the Bible, prayed, were saved......oh wait! I AM saved, and I DO pray and read the Bible.
Any takers? I travel light
Touche'
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/22/2009 3:14:07 PM
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K, here's what we do...
Y'all clear out the guestroom for me, and I'll be right on over, after flushing my lithium, effexor, and levothyroxine. I get to live with you for six months, sleep endlessly - or not at all, cry, talk incessantly, engage in countless impulsive activities, rage at your entire family, and finally, when I can't take the madness anymore, drive my car off a cliff. Of course I'm sure if I just believed the Bible, prayed, were saved......oh wait! I AM saved, and I DO pray and read the Bible.
Any takers? I travel light
I must first ask: Will you work?
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/30/2009 2:41:13 PM
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It's been 22 days, anyone deny the cramming of this bill?
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 10/30/2009 3:30:00 PM
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What can I say? Elections have consequences. The majority of the country is in favor of health reform (including the public option) and the majority of people voted for Obama, who campaigned on the issue. It's not being jammed down anyone's throat any more or less than any other bill that makes its way through Congress. In fact there has been months of debate on the issues, including numerous town halls where people were able to talk to their representatives.
So far, the Democrats have been far less effective at cramming bills than the Republicans were in the last eight years, even though they own the majorty in both House and Senate.
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 11/14/2009 12:40:02 PM
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WASHINGTON — Google, Yahoo and other Web companies joined the pharmaceutical industry Thursday in urging federal regulators to make it easier to pitch drugs in online advertisements.
Google, Yahoo call for expanded online drug ads
Oh great, now Google is going to start cramming the pharmaceutical medical philosophy down our throats. I hate seeing all these stupid pharmaceutical adds on T.V. (though I don't watch T.V. that much but when I do) , now I'm about to be bombarded with them on the Internet as well. While I generally think Google is an excellent corporation and they've done the world a lot of good and they generally have high moral standards when compared to other corporations, I must say they seem to have a conflict of interest on this one and it's hard to say that their actions are intended to serve the public good in opposed to serving their own profits. For them to start promoting pharmaceuticals would make me question how much I trust them. I really hope Google doesn't take a turn for the worse, they've been a pretty ethical corporation up until now but this could be a sign.
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RE: Cramming the damnable medical philosphy down our th... - 11/15/2009 2:55:28 PM
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Well Yahoo and Google just want to make more money. I doubt there is any other money than greater cash flow since the pharmaceutical companies have a lot of money to spend.
Having said that, I would not like to see it happen either. Drugs are not candy, and it should be up to the doctor to prescribe the correct medication without being pressured and browbeaten by patients who have been persuaded by advertising.
The most amazing example of the power of advertising can be seen in the Pharmacy section of Walgreens or the supermarket. There, on the shelves, you can find bottles of Aleve, Tylenol, Motrin, and Bayer Asprin and right next to them, where you can't possible miss them, the generic (Walgreens or supermarket brand) versions of the *exact* *same* drug, usually for 1/2 or even 1/3 of the price. They are exactly the same strength and formulation, as you can easily check by reading the labels. Yet, the pharmaceutical companies still sell billions of doses of overpriced OTC medication, simply by the power of advertising alone.
Crazy.
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