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justpassinby -> Government to Intensely Track for H1N1 Shot Side Effects (9/27/2009 7:51:09 PM)

I thought that the link I will supply for this article be put here in the conspiracy section because we were told as sheeple, er, I mean responsible Americans that the infinitely beneficial government and medical establishment that we need to watch over us peons would not even dare to offer an unsafe and untested vaccine. Yeah, that's why they want to do tracking. Maybe when people really do have bad reactions, they will have "statistics" to arm themselves to prove that was only "coincidence" (my theory) and then the ulterior motive of mass inoculation and it's effects (and for whatever other reasons) will have been served.

I would have posted this in the health boards here, but only a few there listen to me--- they would see this as more right wing propaganda against the rest of the establishmentocrats.

LINK>>> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,556160,00.html



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Government to Intensely Track for H1N1 Shot Side Effects (9/27/2009 7:53:55 PM)

Although I felt this way about Guardasil, I don't about H1N1. The vaccine may be new, but flu vaccines are not new at all. This is for new strain, is all. And a more dangerous strain, at that.

I also am not one that believes the government is all-beneficial and has our best interests at heart. But that doesn't mean that *everything* a particular government is for, I must reject out of hand, simply because I don't appreciate the people running things. [&:]



justpassinby -> RE: Government to Intensely Track for H1N1 Shot Side Effects (9/27/2009 7:56:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 3cappuccinosmom

Although I felt this way about Guardasil, I don't about H1N1. The vaccine may be new, but flu vaccines are not new at all. This is for new strain, is all. And a more dangerous strain, at that.

I also am not one that believes the government is all-beneficial and has our best interests at heart. But that doesn't mean that *everything* a particular government is for, I must reject out of hand, simply because I don't appreciate the people running things. [&:]


That's nice, but I hope you will read the story now, because you posted a few seconds after I did, so unless you are a speed reader, I know you did not read the article that quickly.



tacitus -> RE: Government to Intensely Track for H1N1 Shot Side Effects (9/28/2009 5:08:44 AM)

So what's scary about that article? People like yourself have express doubts about the safety of the H1N1 vaccine, citing how little time they have had to test it before they start distributing it.

It would seem to me that you should be extremely happy that they are setting up a network to allow them to more effective monitor any adverse reactions to the vaccine, so that if there are problems like there were in 1976 they can quickly react before too many people are hurt.

And I don't see what's sinister about sending people home with a card to fill out and send back to the CDC if you do get some sort of reaction. It's entirely voluntary and even if you get sick from the vaccine, you don't have to tell anyone.

And note that two private institutions are involved -- John's Hopkins and Harvard Medical. They are not the government, they are two of the most highly regarded medical institutions in the world.

All this article shows is that the CDC is taking people's concerns seriously. I cannot see any reason at all why anyone would think that having a vaccine early warning system was a bad, sinister, or dangerous idea.



justpassinby -> RE: Government to Intensely Track for H1N1 Shot Side Effects (9/28/2009 1:55:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tacitus

So what's scary about that article? People like yourself have express doubts about the safety of the H1N1 vaccine, citing how little time they have had to test it before they start distributing it.

It would seem to me that you should be extremely happy that they are setting up a network to allow them to more effective monitor any adverse reactions to the vaccine, so that if there are problems like there were in 1976 they can quickly react before too many people are hurt.

And I don't see what's sinister about sending people home with a card to fill out and send back to the CDC if you do get some sort of reaction. It's entirely voluntary and even if you get sick from the vaccine, you don't have to tell anyone.

And note that two private institutions are involved -- John's Hopkins and Harvard Medical. They are not the government, they are two of the most highly regarded medical institutions in the world.

All this article shows is that the CDC is taking people's concerns seriously. I cannot see any reason at all why anyone would think that having a vaccine early warning system was a bad, sinister, or dangerous idea.


I speak from experience regarding family with the first swine flu. I also speak from experience that the drugs they flood TV advertisements with (probably 20% of the airtime) instead of breakfast cereals when I was a kid. Are people sicker now or not? (No answer needed, just reflect) Well, I guess that the inoculations and drugs aren't helping too many people, it's amazing that can't be seen. If my auto mechanic had the same batting average, I guess I would just buy a new car each time it breaks down.

But I digress, sure I actually believe there should be a vaccine and have it monitored. My wife and I would not mind if my college kids get it. But it should be voluntary (which thankfully it is so far as opposed to medical's thinking that "one-size-fits all what is good for one is good for the next guy). Also it should come with the warning that there are risks to it, and perhaps higher than expected--- let's face it, the likes of FOX NEWS will be the ones who broadcast this before the rest who toot that it is "safe" and "tested" when it cannot possibly be in such a short time.



tacitus -> RE: Government to Intensely Track for H1N1 Shot Side Effects (9/28/2009 4:15:54 PM)

First, the life expectancy of Americans has risen 10 years since 1960, so there is no evidence that kids today are sicker than they were back when we were kids, and drugs and vaccines have been critical in improving the health of millions of kids in that time.

If there is a problem with kids today, then it's with obesity and lack of exercise, which have a far more detrimental effect on long term health than drugs do.

I am all for the CDC publicizing the fact that the H1N1 vaccine may be more risky that the regular flu vaccine, if that is indeed true. But the problem is the thousands of irresponsible people out there who are claiming that it will kill more people than the H1N1 flu virus itself (which has already killed over 750 Americans). As I mentioned before, if that were true then the testing they have already done would has detected that -- if thousands were going to die from reactions to the vaccines then many times more people would suffer severe reactions to the vaccine (but live) and those cases would show up in the preliminary testing (and they haven't).

So, if there is a higher risk, then it's going to be no more than going from, say, 1 in 5 million chance of serious harm to 1 in 4 million chance of serious harm. Given that at least one in every 10,000 Americans are likely to die of the H1N1 flu this year, it's vitally important to keep the risks in perspective, otherwise people at most risk from the flu will erroneously believe that they are safer not taking the vaccine when in reality they are placing themselves in far more danger.



Pat-rebel_lady -> RE: Government to Intensely Track for H1N1 Shot Side Effects (9/28/2009 4:34:02 PM)

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First, the life expectancy of Americans has risen 10 years since 1960, so there is no evidence that kids today are sicker than they were back when we were kids, and drugs and vaccines have been critical in improving the health of millions of kids in that time.

If there is a problem with kids today, then it's with obesity and lack of exercise, which have a far more detrimental effect on long term health than drugs do.

Oh brother, here we go again ....... [sm=smile-l.gif] ; Another victim of Brain-washing 101.



navyblueret -> RE: Government to Intensely Track for H1N1 Shot Side Effects (9/28/2009 8:00:17 PM)

Take a peak at this site video, and also ck out my Thread: Manditory Flu Shot. We may be looking at a real problem, folks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfAfuEa8wu8&NR=1

In Messiah. Arley



justpassinby -> RE: Government to Intensely Track for H1N1 Shot Side Effects (9/28/2009 9:21:43 PM)

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If there is a problem with kids today, then it's with obesity and lack of exercise, which have a far more detrimental effect on long term health than drugs do.


I think the definition of obesity has been dummied down to a lower weight than what was considered obese in the past. IN addition, extra weight, even overweight is not associated (no matter what they tell you) with higher mortality. As for exercise---- a quick 7-minute a day walk or if you are like me, good, open air plenty of sunshine yard work is what the body was created to do. That's enough, and anymore might actually be detrimental. I fail to see where being an exercisoholic actually helps.

Now, I can say this plague of ill health this nation (and even Christians) are facing is probably from the processed foods that the same establishments dish out to everyone--- And then when people get ill, they run out for drugs yet which probably depletes the body of even more of the meager nutrients they have in them. Christians with health issues want prayer all the time. No wonder they are sick--- I guess if I were God I would not heal them either if they disobeyed my Laws and foods I considered clean were deemed unclean and vice versa in favor of man's substitutes.

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Oh brother, here we go again ....... ; Another victim of Brain-washing 101.


LOL. I think you read my mind well! I just don't have the guts to say the same thing and what I think all the time. I'm too much of a nice guy. [:D]



Pat-rebel_lady -> RE: Government to Intensely Track for H1N1 Shot Side Effects (9/28/2009 11:57:33 PM)

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Oh brother, here we go again ....... ; Another victim of Brain-washing 101.


LOL. I think you read my mind well! I just don't have the guts to say the same thing and what I think all the time. I'm too much of a nice guy.

LOL I thought I was a nice gal as well; I think you read my mind well!! You did a great job here:

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I think the definition of obesity has been dummied down to a lower weight than what was considered obese in the past. IN addition, extra weight, even overweight is not associated (no matter what they tell you) with higher mortality. As for exercise---- a quick 7-minute a day walk or if you are like me, good, open air plenty of sunshine yard work is what the body was created to do. That's enough, and anymore might actually be detrimental. I fail to see where being an exercisoholic actually helps.



tacitus -> RE: Government to Intensely Track for H1N1 Shot Side Effects (9/30/2009 11:41:44 PM)

Yeah, I admit to being brainwashed, if you mean that I accept the information from mountains of independent scientific research over the past 20 years -- i.e. the facts. Really, I find it astounding that you believe there is no link between childhood obesity and ill health. The evidence is damning, and should be of concern to all Americans, because an overweight population is going to cost us a boatload more in healthcare costs in the future.



justpassinby -> RE: Government to Intensely Track for H1N1 Shot Side Effects (10/2/2009 9:09:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tacitus

Yeah, I admit to being brainwashed, if you mean that I accept the information from mountains of independent scientific research over the past 20 years -- i.e. the facts. Really, I find it astounding that you believe there is no link between childhood obesity and ill health. The evidence is damning, and should be of concern to all Americans, because an overweight population is going to cost us a boatload more in healthcare costs in the future.


Yeah, the same "independent" (aka government funded) researchers who say cholesterol causes heart attacks. It does not. As a matter of fact, I supplement (in a sense) on the stuff. They all say the same thing about cholesterol, the facts you say. Are they all wrong? Yes, unfortunately they are (or fortunately for drug companies). I detect the same "disease" will be treated one day in "obesity".

Since this is a Christian forum, I'll say where the real problem is--- SIN. Eat by the Kosher dietary laws and one knows that they are then doing right. If a person does that an still ends up heavy, are they in the wrong? Mankind would say they are---- God would vindicate them however because the foods that are often damned are kosher. Believe the independent sources if you want. They have their heyday now before one day ending up in the lake of fire.



solo_soprano24 -> RE: Government to Intensely Track for H1N1 Shot Side Effects (10/11/2009 12:28:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tacitus

Yeah, I admit to being brainwashed, if you mean that I accept the information from mountains of independent scientific research over the past 20 years -- i.e. the facts. Really, I find it astounding that you believe there is no link between childhood obesity and ill health. The evidence is damning, and should be of concern to all Americans, because an overweight population is going to cost us a boatload more in healthcare costs in the future.


You know why it's not a concern?

It's because we want to eat junk all the time and sit on our rear ends [:D]; it's fine to eat, but we are the epitome of overindulgence-- on the wrong things.

No one has to tell me how dangerous it is; other than the fact that I spend all my time dealing with human health issues (in career/education), people in my family are suffering due obesity... some aren't expected to live long because they have five or so serious weight-related issues. Think about how many people lose weight then discover they don't have to take their meds anymore and don't even have those "highs" now to deal with.



tacitus -> RE: Government to Intensely Track for H1N1 Shot Side Effects (10/11/2009 4:01:04 AM)

I'm glad someone agrees with me! I just find it amazing that some people actually believe that life-saving drugs and vaccines kill more people than obesity does. It runs counter to everything we know about diet and health.

That's not to say, as you mention, that drugs should be use as an alternative to a good diet. It's absolutely true that the best way to control and even reverse adult onset diabetes is to lose weight, get fit, and eat a healthy well-balance diet. But simply stopping the medication without doing those things is only going to result in sickness and death.



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