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MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/11/2009 8:12:20 PM
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navyblueret
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Check them out, be they true or false. If false, no problem, everyone has a big laugh. If true, then everyone who will refuse the inoculation, should carry a suitcase, wherever they venture.
You decide. Is Prophecy at work?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB7OwPk5Z78
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2008/11/21/boston_launches_flu_shot_tracking/
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/11/2009 10:14:53 PM
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I googled "mandatory flu shot" and ironically I came across NJ's law for preschoolers to get them. And that was 3 years ago! So this is nothing new.
I'm starting to realize that there is more to all this than the big medical and drug companies prostituting themselves with government to cram their philosophy (while making huge sums of money) down our throats (if that were the case, they would have banned natural substances like vitamins years ago since they are diametrically opposed to medical thinking).
The ulterior motive is for control and power in accordance with prophecy as you pointed out. Satan, the devil, demons and all the spiritual imbecilic powers in government hates anything that requires free thinking, personal happiness and everything moral and right. The United States traditionally stood for those same values they hate which is why there's such an attack.
When I contribute on the health forums here, I am not well received when I point out a doctor that says the same thing you just posted, and I openly and constantly challenge the medical establishment's extremely severe error in philosophy. I only wish more people, including (gullible) Christians would wake up to what is going on. I'm not here to start trouble either, but I am quite serious in pointing out the very same things.
We already had a swine flu conspiracy thread. I started that before I heard about the possibility of mandatory inoculations.
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/12/2009 9:52:13 AM
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justpassinby, Shalom, and thanks.
I looked hard for your thread, but couldn't seem to find it, so was pressured, by my conscience to start this one. Mod's can move it, so long as I know where it went.
What I see, more than anything, with this Flu Shot program is the 'nibbling' effect this and other 'laws' seem to be having on our culture. Kind of like a 'T-Bone' steak, one can cram the whole thing down the gullet, in three or four huge globs, or they can nibble away, until having accomplished the same end. This is a bad similitude, more an Anti-Similitude, Hmmmm, Yeah, that fits.
Control can be jammed down our throats in 'choking' globs, to accomplish the erosion of our rights, or they can feed it to us in nibbles, and we never even notice the 'poison' in the food, because it seems to taste so good. Poisoning of our Culture, and Society, is much what I see happening. Our right to 'Choice' seems to have eroded, until we no longer have choice, but are herded like good little sheep where our 'trusted' leaders want us to go (presuming that they are not also deluded). I had better stop now, or the Mod's will yank my Thread out from under me.  Ha.
Keep the watch, folks. Only 8 more days? More than 10 means I am probably wrong. Oh, well. I have hope He is 'flying by' very soon.
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/12/2009 7:07:28 PM
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Pat-rebel_lady, Shalom.
On the premise that my understanding of Prophecy is correct, and my 'fill-in' guesses are really lucky, we should have about 8 days to know if I am right. If right, we may have to brush bugs off our teeth, and if I am wrong, I eat a 'crow pie' and wonder why I cannot fly. I have been giving the whole situation some very focused thought, wondering how many ways there are to fly: UP. Gifted as I am, in imagination, and Physics, I can only deduce there being one reasonable facsimile of an answer: Look the direction I am flying, and look intelligent. No one will know that I have not the foggiest idea how to fly, and I am functioning in what we earthies call 'Remote Control.' The bugs come from my determined looking grin, pasted from ear to ear. Yom Teruah/Rosh Hashanah, according to the mechanical Hebrew calendar says this Feast day falls on September 19. The problem with that is that the New Moon, for the past months has lagged behind the calendar, by two days. God uses the Moon, and Rabbi's uses their calendar. I vote to go with God, so I figure Tishri 1 should start at sunset on the 20th, with the 'Last Trump' sounded just before sunset on the 21st., which could/might/possibly/perchance be a good time for a thing everyone loves to call: "Rapture."
I could be, and probably am, wrong. So many before has been, but this old man had nothing to do for the last decade but study, ponder, calculate, and collate, unto a decision that this could well be the year that Jesus comes to collect the Bride, His Church. If I am right, I'll see you in flight. If I am wrong, I'll hide, way out of sight, till it is night, and there ain't not no light, and I will go to bed, cry my eyes out, and go to sleep. I will then wake up, and come back to bug the socks off everyone, until I graduate when I graduate. I have played the scenario almost thirty years into what little we know about the future, and cannot find a seven year period better suited than this one we are staring at. Whew, my fingers hurt.
Aren't you glad you asked, Pat??
Keep the watch, in Messiah, His Blessing, Strength, and Salvation. This is more fun than the County Fair cattle judging. Yeeee-Haaaa!!!
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/12/2009 7:44:38 PM
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Keep the watch, folks. Only 8 more days? More than 10 means I am probably wrong. Oh, well. I have hope He is 'flying by' very soon.
Yes, Arley, I know exactly what you mean. The blowing of the Trumpet, the Feast, the moon is almost new. And the woman will be clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet.
I've been watching this time of the year since the 1980's when I first learned of it. You may be correct. We may be flyin' soon. And if not this year, one of the years soon when the Trumpet sounds.
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/12/2009 7:58:37 PM
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jpb, Shalom.
I agree whole-heartily. The mandatory Flu Shot is something, IMO, we will not have to cope with, but many others will.
On the other, consider that 2017 is probably the 120th Jubilee, considering the events of 1967, 1917, 1867, and others I cannot remember right now; Mayan calendar; Eclipse's in 2014-15 all spring and fall Feasts having one; five or six major Seer's pointing to this period; and a number of other factors. If I am wrong, I feel God has missed a very exciting time to not snatch the Bride up.
This bit with the Flue Shot, and other historical happenings, that I believe may well be Prophetic, sure has me on the edge of my chair. I would do a big Yeee-Haaa!!, but my fingers are in need of some dinner.
Keep the watch, to Messiah's Glory. Arley
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/12/2009 8:04:50 PM
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Oh, Yes. As I understand, Pennsylvania did pass that law, today, which: if the state declares an State of Emergency, and a person refuses the Flu shot, they can now lock the person away in quarantine, search the home, confiscate all the persons property, or destroy it, without any redress available to the person, other than bringing litigation (as I understand, and I paraphrase).
IMO, the scene is being set for the AC to tickle the strings, and watch the population dance to his tune.
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/13/2009 11:45:04 AM
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Aren't you glad you asked, Pat??
Yes I am, Without a doubt!! For me, this has got to be one of the most intriguing subjects that there is; it has peaked my interest since I was 12 (1954) --- I feel like I’ve waited for these days, kinds like, Simeon and Anna (Luke 2:25 – 38) waited to see Jesus; problem is, this 9th grader knows nothing about the Mayan calendar, and very little about the Hebrew calendar (Jubilee years, 17th of Tammuz and 9th of Av (21 days apart), much less New Moons and such.) I’d love to hear more, but here is Not the place; I would Not want to break TOS rules by going off subject; even though I think you’re wrong on the 8 days/Rapture. 
As for the Flue Shot, if true, I just may have to take a stand like Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego did (Daniel 3:15-18) when they were confronted with an ultimatum that would have effected their faith in who they would trust, obey, and follow at all cost. My faith is Not in an unproven, to be safe for all or even most humans, flue shot that can, and mostly will, kill more people than the flue itself. The Flue Shot should be a choice; Not a requirement with an ultimatum attached; given by a want-a-be dictator (or is that a king Nebuchadnezzar imitator.
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/17/2009 6:47:36 PM
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Oh, Yes. As I understand, Pennsylvania did pass that law, today, which: if the state declares an State of Emergency, and a person refuses the Flu shot, they can now lock the person away in quarantine, search the home, confiscate all the persons property, or destroy it, without any redress available to the person, other than bringing litigation (as I understand, and I paraphrase).
I live in Pennsylvania, and I follow the news closely. I have not heard anything about mandatory flu shots, nor any jail time. In fact, on the news tonight they did a feature on deciding whether to get a flu shot or not.
I'd be interested in knowing your source, the bill number, and any other details you have.
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/17/2009 7:57:22 PM
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JustaFan, Shalom.
All I remember was it was on a site, where one of PA's State legislators was interviewed, and made the statement that they were planning on taking a vote that day. Later, I believe that I heard somewhere that they had voted and passed the mandatory inoculations, of any kind, should a State of Emergency be declared (the qualifier for instituting the 'auditory' part).
That same day, I heard that Oklahoma was also trying to pass a 'State of Emergency' action bill, very similar.
I have been receiving information out of Europe stating that the H1N1 is possibly contaminated, but I hesitate to pass that on, because it is so difficult to verify, or actually believe, when you think about it. Deliberate contamination? WoW!
My apologies for not remembering all that I hear and see. The Travail seems to be going so fast, and hard, right now, My brain is falling behind. Sometimes I feel I shouldn't repeat things I see on the Web, as so much is false information sent out as fact by sick minds, who think they are being cute. Oh Well, Jesus knows them, every one, just like He knows those trying to be helpful.
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/19/2009 3:15:10 AM
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JustaFan, Shalom.
All I remember was it was on a site, where one of PA's State legislators was interviewed, and made the statement that they were planning on taking a vote that day. Later, I believe that I heard somewhere that they had voted and passed the mandatory inoculations, of any kind, should a State of Emergency be declared (the qualifier for instituting the 'auditory' part).
I will let you know if I hear anything about mandatory flu shots in Penna. I actually have been paying close attention to the state legislature's actions recently because I was waiting for them to pass a bill that affects my job, and also waiting for them to finally pass a state budget that is almost three months overdue.
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/19/2009 4:24:30 PM
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JustaFan, Shalom.
Ooops! You right, I'm wrong. They were talking about a mandatory in MA, not PA. On a small map, I was close though.  . I sometimes receive two or three updates out of Europe, a day, and my witto-mind seems to be getting London Foggy, trying to 'Bridge' it all.
I do not wish anyone think that I am trying to convince them not to take the Flu Inoculation for the H1N1 Virus, but only sounding an alarm to 'read the label' or seek advice. There are, IMO, too many alerts flying, for there not to be some deep concern, somewhere.
I am 70 years old, and am susceptible to breathing illnesses, due to my need for supplemental O2, but I intend to refuse the inoculation, and stay home, especially if an emergency is called. I would prefer to stay home, and Forumize everyone into insanity, than go get sent to a holding camp, where I would miss my hot and cold running Forums. Ha
In Messiah. Arley (No New Moon last night, perhaps tonight, or tomorrow* night. We will see a good Yom Teruah, soon.//as//)
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/19/2009 7:59:17 PM
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Don't look to the sky for me, but look for our Messiah. Wanna see me, look to the side, or behind. Fat folks don't fly as fast as thin folk, cause we not as aerodynamic, but we do make bigger sonic booms.
I may well be in error, about the day, but I sure am having fun watching, and looking for Him. Call it practice, should I be wrong about the curtain coming up in one or two days.
If I am still planet bound on Friday, I am going to look for another job, that being, finding the place I made error, and finding truth. I know for sure that God has it hidden in there somewhere. Has anyone found a Rapture Needle anywhere??
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/22/2009 6:48:45 PM
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I posted this in another thread about he H1N1 vaccine. Go HERE.
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/22/2009 7:25:38 PM
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tsnody2001, Shalom.
Yep, I thought OK had gone ahead and passed that law, as, from what I hear MA, and some other States are panicking to make anyone refusing into a criminal, and locking them away, with quite heavy penalties for refusing the inoculation.
Freedom is almost gone. We can probably start organizing the funeral, before we are put behind bars, where it is difficult to do 'free' things, which once was covered by the Constitution.
Jesus ain't not gonna like the Politicians for doing what they seem to be doing, almost as if blind to the ramification of their doing. (Sounds like an off-key bell, doing doing doing!)
Keep the watch, our redemption draws nigh. Oh, RE my 15 above. I think I did Err. I'm still here, and Yom Teruah is now over. Boink! Guess you poor souls are just saddled with me for a tad bit longer. Yeee-Haaa, I still know He is coming!!
In Messiah. Arley
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/22/2009 9:06:16 PM
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Yep, I thought OK had gone ahead and passed that law
I hate to burst your bubble but it's just not true. There is no mandatory flu vaccine requirement in Oklahoma. From the Oklahoma State Department of Health website:
H1N1 vaccination will be voluntary. Vaccine will be administered only to eligible persons who want to reduce their risk of H1N1 influenza exposure.
Here's a link so you can see for yourselves: OSDH Website
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/23/2009 2:18:40 PM
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gcsmithjr, Shalom, and Thanks, but there is no bubble, of mine, to burst.
I cannot attest to the truth about what I heard, only that I heard it. The new law does not go into effect unless there is declared a 'State of Emergency,' at which time that 'Mandatory' factor does go into effect, and the affect is that if you refuse the mandatory shot, you will be locked away, without recourse to time limit of retention; and fined heavily, even to the point of property confiscation. That is what I heard on a 'supposed' interview with people supposedly in the know.
This information, I pass on so people can suspect, and check it out, not to put any State, or person down. We are in a war, of sorts, folks. If anyone does not want to see the political bullets fly, keep the eyes closed (that also means that with the eyes closed one cannot read concerned alerts).
Ironic, in a way. My picture shows sailors dashing to General Quarters, Guns; something I did much of over the years. Today, our problem is much less overt in nature, more the knife in the back type thing, from people we are supposed to be able to trust. But, God's Will, Be Done.
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/23/2009 9:19:51 PM
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The reason that reasoned folks have real concern aoout flu shots is held up with this news reprort;
HERE
And do we really trust the research on the H1N1 vacine to be honest;
HERE
Now if enough reasoned folks try to defy the Obamassiah; I can certainly see him declaring a national emergency and mandaory flu shots.
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/24/2009 1:02:45 PM
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The reason that reasoned folks have real concern aoout flu shots is held up with this news reprort;
HERE
And do we really trust the research on the H1N1 vacine to be honest;
HERE
Now if enough reasoned folks try to defy the Obamassiah; I can certainly see him declaring a national emergency and mandaory flu shots.
Thanks
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Now his trust in research is gone, he is quitting the vaccine trial. In October he will fly to Latin America for professional reasons. He had looked forward to traveling unconcerned – by then he would have received the second of three vaccinations. “I’m not fearful just the same – I don’t belong to an at risk group. Also, the swine flu can’t possibly be as bad as the side-effects of the vaccine.”
The last prescriptions I have been given, I read the labels and side effects
and then I tossed them in the trash. If a side effect is worse than what I
have I choose what I have.
Right now I am ingesting lots of onion and garlic soup I make myself.
After a couple days, I feel a lot better......................
Chemicals do not belong in a human body.
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/28/2009 5:17:22 AM
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Right now I am ingesting lots of onion and garlic soup I make myself.
After a couple days, I feel a lot better......................
Well, I'm glad you're feeling better, but onion and garlic soup won't do you a lick of good protecting you from any flu, let alone H1N1.
Any side effects the vast majority of people who get a flu jab experience is simply their body's immune system getting a workout from the vaccine that will better prepare it if and when they are exposed to the flu virus itself. Flu vaccines generally improve someone's immunity to the flu by between 50% and 80% (depending on the strain and mutations). Eating soup does absolutely nothing.
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/28/2009 5:27:06 AM
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Chemicals do not belong in a human body.
Chemicals are exactly what your body is made of. And have you read the ingredients list on the side of whatever food or drink you ingested recently? Awash with chemicals.
Chemicals (vaccines) are the only reason why you don't have to worry about catching smallpox or polio today.
Without antibiotics -- more chemicals -- we would be living to 40 and 50, not 80 and 90.
If you get cancer, then chemicals (and some pretty nasty ones at that) are likely the only option if you want to be cured from the disease.
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The last prescriptions I have been given, I read the labels and side effects
and then I tossed them in the trash. If a side effect is worse than what I
have I choose what I have.
You do know how prescription labels work, don't you? Unless you are very unlucky, you're not going to get all of the side effects listed on the drug's label. In fact, in the vast majority of cases, you're going to experience none at all, or at most one of the mildest, like dry mouth or a slight sleepiness. All medications have risks, but very few of them are "worse" than the disease (and your doctor won't prescribe them if he thinks they might be in your case).
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/28/2009 5:40:35 PM
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I have no idea how reliable this information is, as I just received it from a Christian Brother in Europe. Take a look and judge for yourselves. Be it true, or be it false, it raises the hair on my nape.
Consider, please, a portion of what I received: "Major Alert’
The U.S. Navy has "OVER" 5 U.S. Navy Ships TURNING BACK FROM MAJOR ORDERS OF TRANSPORT TO "MIDDLE EAST WAR ZONE"
NAVY & COMBAT MARINES AIR WINGS, AND GROUND TROOPS
***UNABLE TO FULFILL THEIR DUTIES****
At present confirmed 1 a/c carrier
2 destroyers
1 helicopter a/c carrier over 30,000 assorted Military, mostly USN & USMC
Some Coast Guard, National Guard & some Air Force. ..."
The above was accompanied with other information and a copy of OPNAV 3500.41 U S Navy Instruction (35pps).
If someone is playing games with this H1N1 story, may Jesus rebuke them. If, however, they are trying to save lives, God bless them. Sort it out for yourselves, folks, and do as you see fit, but do not, please, blame anyone for your decision, other than your self.
In Messiah. Arley
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RE: MANDATORY Flu Shot? - 9/28/2009 6:03:20 PM
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Go here, folks. FOX News thinks there may be a problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ayy6Rl_5YU
See what you think.
In Messiah. Arley
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