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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/16/2009 4:45:07 PM
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And no government, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or Green Party would ever expose a cover-up of an act so heinous as ignoring warnings of an impending terrorist attack. It wouldn't just destroy the Republican Party, it would destroy the faith in the government, period. They will never investigate it, never have investigated it and anyone who believes that "something" is just not right will be considered a kook. The government run media will see to that. I am not saying that the government is responsible. I simply have questions and I don't take everything the government says as the truth.
I believe we landed on the moon.
Kennedy was shot from the front. The exit wound was in the back toward, I believe, the right side. He was shot in his neck after being shot in the back, maybe by Lee Harvey, maybe not. He was shot in the front of his neck and because of his position after the first shot the bullet traveled upward into his skull. Look at the autopsy pictures. If Lee Harvey had shot him in the head, his face would have been blown off. The government may be saying that the hole in the neck was from a tracheostomy tube inserted to ventilate him but the hole was there when he was brought to the emergency room and doctors used it to try to ventilate him. That is what the doctors said.
So, there are things we know about that are being covered up, like the Kennedy assassination, and things we are not sure about, like 9/11. What I do know is that it is wrong to demonize people who ask questions.
9/11....tell the parents of the children killed on the plane that hit the Pentagon that it was NOT hit by an airliner. Tell the eyewitnesses who barely escaped having their cars crushed by the airliner that the pentagon was NOT hit by an airliner.
Tell all of us who lived within 20 miles of the Pentagon and saw it happening that it didn't.
Get real.
This is like telling the Jews that the Holocaust didn't happen.....
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/16/2009 6:42:08 PM
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AND there wasn't any investigation so how can he accuse us of not being involved in the "investigation"?
First of all, this is a great example of the misinformation perpetuated by conspiracy theorists. The investigation into 9/11 was the largest investigation ever undertaken by the FBI - to claim that there was no investigation is patently false.
Here's information on the investigation from a couple of sources:
Wikipedia Summary
Even 911Truth recognizes that the FBI investigation into the bombing was the largest FBI investigation in history:
911 Truth Article PENTTBOM
And from a more reliable source:
Washington Post Article
As for my friend's experience, it doesn't take much to disprove your claim about the size of the pieces - most direct impact airliner crashes leave lots of small pieces of debris but few large ones. Here's an article that addresses that issue:
Pentagon Crash
All of this is off topic, so to get back to the point I was trying to make, it seems that no amount of direct evidence - from high resolution photos of his birth certificate, to the statement of the Hawaii Director of Public Health, to the birth announcement in the Honolulu paper, will convince you that the document is authentic - as I asked before, what would it take to convince you?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/17/2009 12:10:32 AM
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AND there wasn't any investigation so how can he accuse us of not being involved in the "investigation"?
First of all, this is a great example of the misinformation perpetuated by conspiracy theorists. The investigation into 9/11 was the largest investigation ever undertaken by the FBI - to claim that there was no investigation is patently false.
Here's information on the investigation from a couple of sources:
Wikipedia Summary
Even 911Truth recognizes that the FBI investigation into the bombing was the largest FBI investigation in history:
911 Truth Article PENTTBOM
And from a more reliable source:
Washington Post Article
As for my friend's experience, it doesn't take much to disprove your claim about the size of the pieces - most direct impact airliner crashes leave lots of small pieces of debris but few large ones. Here's an article that addresses that issue:
Pentagon Crash
All of this is off topic, so to get back to the point I was trying to make, it seems that no amount of direct evidence - from high resolution photos of his birth certificate, to the statement of the Hawaii Director of Public Health, to the birth announcement in the Honolulu paper, will convince you that the document is authentic - as I asked before, what would it take to convince you?
Why did they cover the faces of the "witnesses"?
There are links to both opinions on 9/11.
I would like to see a judge have the courage to allow one of these lawsuits into court and let a real birth certificate, not a fake, be presented to a jury, not a judge only. But that will never happen.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/17/2009 12:14:54 AM
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And no government, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or Green Party would ever expose a cover-up of an act so heinous as ignoring warnings of an impending terrorist attack. It wouldn't just destroy the Republican Party, it would destroy the faith in the government, period. They will never investigate it, never have investigated it and anyone who believes that "something" is just not right will be considered a kook. The government run media will see to that. I am not saying that the government is responsible. I simply have questions and I don't take everything the government says as the truth.
I believe we landed on the moon.
Kennedy was shot from the front. The exit wound was in the back toward, I believe, the right side. He was shot in his neck after being shot in the back, maybe by Lee Harvey, maybe not. He was shot in the front of his neck and because of his position after the first shot the bullet traveled upward into his skull. Look at the autopsy pictures. If Lee Harvey had shot him in the head, his face would have been blown off. The government may be saying that the hole in the neck was from a tracheostomy tube inserted to ventilate him but the hole was there when he was brought to the emergency room and doctors used it to try to ventilate him. That is what the doctors said.
So, there are things we know about that are being covered up, like the Kennedy assassination, and things we are not sure about, like 9/11. What I do know is that it is wrong to demonize people who ask questions.
9/11....tell the parents of the children killed on the plane that hit the Pentagon that it was NOT hit by an airliner. Tell the eyewitnesses who barely escaped having their cars crushed by the airliner that the pentagon was NOT hit by an airliner.
Tell all of us who lived within 20 miles of the Pentagon and saw it happening that it didn't.
Get real.
This is like telling the Jews that the Holocaust didn't happen.....
I never said that no one on flight 77 was killed. Barbara Olsen was on that plane. All I have noticed is that there is a small piece of debris, no plane in the Pentagon.
I hardly think it is like telling the Jews that the Holocaust didn't happen...
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/17/2009 8:33:30 AM
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Why did they cover the faces of the "witnesses"?
I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.
You made the statement that "there wasn't any investigation", now you're saying something different about witnesses (if they interviewed witnesses how can you say that there was NO investigation?).
As I mentioned earlier, it doesn't seem to matter what facts are presented on these issues conspiracy theorists simply change their argument or discard the information and present another disconnected statement. Do you have some evidence from a credible source that the FBI didn't investigate 9/11?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/17/2009 9:35:43 AM
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/17/2009 1:44:49 PM
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Senator Obama's last medical checkup was on January 15, 2007; he had no complaints. He exercised regularly often jogging three miles. His diet was balanced with good intake of roughage and fluids. A complete review of systems was unremarkable. On physical examination, his blood pressure was 90/60 and pulse 60/minute. His build was lean and muscular with no excess body fat. His physical examination was completely normal.
I don't know why, but this information seems to be something that I would prefer not to know. Or maybe something like one of those, why would I care, type of things. I don't know. Seriously. I mean it sorta gives me the creeps, yet.. I don't know why.
We do know that Dr. Martin Luther King's birthday is on Jan. 15th, though.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/17/2009 2:37:09 PM
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AP declares Obama “Kenyan-Born”!
October 14, 2009 by John Charlton
2004 PIECE DISTRIBUTED WORLD-WIDE PUTS FOCUS ON TIMELINE OF CLAIMS
And 2008 AP Story Repeats the Claim!
by John Charlton
(Oct. 14, 2009) — What most people know is that the Associated Press (AP) is one of the largest, internationally recognized, syndicated news services. What most people don’t know that is in 2004, the AP was a “birther” news organization.
How so? Because in a syndicated report, published Sunday, June 27, 2004, by the Kenyan Standard Times, and which was, as of this report, available at
http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm
The AP reporter stated the following:
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations. LINK
But I'm sure this is just a myth, right? And, of course, any source that claims that Obama was born in Kenya (or not in America) is not reliable, no matter where that source comes from, even if from the very words of Obama himself or his family members. I mean, come on, anyone who would believe such lies is crazy, right?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/17/2009 4:34:30 PM
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But I'm sure this is just a myth, right? And, of course, any source that claims that Obama was born in Kenya (or not in America) is not reliable, no matter where that source comes from, even if from the very words of Obama himself or his family members. I mean, come on, anyone who would believe such lies is crazy, right?
At this point you have a single AP article which is better than anything that anyone else has come up with. Anything more?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/17/2009 5:56:56 PM
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No, there is lots more. That happens to be the only thing I've posted so far. I'll admit, I haven't found a "smoking gun with fingerprints", but there is a pile of evidence that should make one ask questions. To simply ignore it, as if it weren't there, or to say that it is irrelevant, etc., is really a bad reflection on those who are quick to call someone various names for simply being willing to ask questions and consider evidence. As a potential juror in a court case, to have that sort of stance or attitude, would get one thrown out of the jury pool faster than one could spell their name.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/17/2009 6:10:43 PM
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The following is an article reporting that Nancy Pelosi may have inside knowledge regarding the origin of Obama's birth. Or at least that there is an elligability issue.
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BORN IN THE USA?
Eye-popper: Is Nancy Pelosi in on eligibility cover-up?
Online images for certification of nomination raise questions
Posted: September 11, 2009
8:01 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
A commentator at Canada Free Press says he has obtained copies of two documents apparently prepared by Democrats to certify Barack Obama as their nominee for president in 2008 that suggest House Speaker Nancy Pelosi knew there was an unresolved issue with his eligibility under the U.S. Constitution.
Writer JB Williams describes himself as a "no nonsense commentator on American politics, American history, and American philosophy." And he say's he's gotten possession of copies of the documents in question.
The first includes a verification that Obama and Joe Biden, then-candidate for vice president, "are legally qualified to serve under the provisions of the United States Constitution."
The second form obtained by Williams appears identical, down to a typographical error in "through." But in this one, the verification of eligibility under the requirements of the U.S. Constitution is gone. Report
Forgive me if this has already been discussed, as I have not thoroughly read through this thread. I will do that now.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/17/2009 6:18:29 PM
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'From Wikipedia: "In an August 23, 2008, article about Berg's lawsuit, WND claimed it had investigated Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate utilizing forgery experts and, "found the document to be authentic,"[48] contradicting claims made in other WND articles and in Corsi's book.[citation needed] However, on December 20, after numerous liberal websites, politicians and media personalities touted WND's findings, Joseph Farah claimed in a WND column that the forgery experts had not actually concluded it was authentic and that, "None of them could report conclusively that the electronic image [of the birth certificate on Obama's campaign website] was authentic or that it was a forgery."[49] After MSNBC's Keith Olbermann named Farah the "Worst Person in the World" on his show, Countdown, for his apparent reversal, Farah defended himself, claiming, "the veracity of that image was never the major issue of contention. Rather, the major issue is where is the rest of the birth certificate – the part that explains where the baby was born, who the delivery doctor was, etc...I can tell you WND has done its part to find out the truth."[50]
On August 2, 2009, WorldNetDaily published an article claiming that a certified copy of registration of Obama's birth had been obtained and produced by Orly Taitz, a leading citizenship conspiracy theorist. The document purportedly proved that Barack Obama had been born at a hospital in Mombasa, Kenya[51]. The document has almost immediately proven to be a fake[52]. On September 6, Taitz released another birth certificate supposedly proving Obama's Kenyan birth[53]; this was also debunked as a fake, this time by WND reporter Jerome Corsi.
so it seems that even WorldNetDaily cannot quite make up its mind where they stand on this issue.....
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/17/2009 7:07:32 PM
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'From Wikipedia: "In an August 23, 2008, article about Berg's lawsuit, WND claimed it had investigated Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate utilizing forgery experts and, "found the document to be authentic,"[48] contradicting claims made in other WND articles and in Corsi's book.[citation needed] However, on December 20, after numerous liberal websites, politicians and media personalities touted WND's findings, Joseph Farah claimed in a WND column that the forgery experts had not actually concluded it was authentic and that, "None of them could report conclusively that the electronic image [of the birth certificate on Obama's campaign website] was authentic or that it was a forgery."[49] After MSNBC's Keith Olbermann named Farah the "Worst Person in the World" on his show, Countdown, for his apparent reversal, Farah defended himself, claiming, "the veracity of that image was never the major issue of contention. Rather, the major issue is where is the rest of the birth certificate – the part that explains where the baby was born, who the delivery doctor was, etc...I can tell you WND has done its part to find out the truth."[50]
On August 2, 2009, WorldNetDaily published an article claiming that a certified copy of registration of Obama's birth had been obtained and produced by Orly Taitz, a leading citizenship conspiracy theorist. The document purportedly proved that Barack Obama had been born at a hospital in Mombasa, Kenya[51]. The document has almost immediately proven to be a fake[52]. On September 6, Taitz released another birth certificate supposedly proving Obama's Kenyan birth[53]; this was also debunked as a fake, this time by WND reporter Jerome Corsi.
so it seems that even WorldNetDaily cannot quite make up its mind where they stand on this issue.....
Wouldn't one think it would be best if a reporter or news agency did not enter their "stand" into their reporting? Shouldn't they just report the facts?
Oh, and could you include your source next time? Thanks.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/18/2009 1:29:32 AM
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I've been reading some of the birther threads elsewhere, and the funniest thing I've seen so far is the way in which they want to drag everyone who would be in line for the Presidency should Obama be removed into the conspiracy too---Biden, Pelosi, Byrd, and even Hillary Clinton.
Of course, the reason they want to do this is so that there are no Democrats left who can assume the Presidency, and I have even read some comments suggesting that it would be left up to former President Bush to pick up the pieces --- forgetting the minor point that for all the complaining about violating the Constitution they do, this would be the greatest violation of them all. (How many times have we heard from birthers that Obama is going to abolish the two term limit??).
There is a less convoluted and much more Constitutional way for a Republican to gain the White House again -- something called a Presidental election, and I've heard there's going to be one in and around 2012 or so.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/18/2009 1:37:16 AM
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Another thing that birthers often overlook (or more often deliberately ignore) is that there is no process for removing a "Constitutionally unqualified" President other than good old impeachment. No judge -- not even the Supreme Court -- can remove him. Congress, and only Congress can do that, whether he committed fraud during or before his Presidency.
Even if it was somehow decided by the courts that President Obama was actually unqualified and that impeachment was not the right tool by which to remove him, Congress would still have to be responsible for his removal, likely by enacting a new law of some kind to do it.
So even if by some miracle or miracles (greater than the feeding of the 5,000) all the birther ducks lined up in a row, Obama would still either have to resign or be impeached before he was removed from office. There isn't one chance in a million of it happening any other way before the next election.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/19/2009 8:20:50 AM
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'From Wikipedia: "In an August 23, 2008, article about Berg's lawsuit, WND claimed it had investigated Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate utilizing forgery experts and, "found the document to be authentic,"[48] contradicting claims made in other WND articles and in Corsi's book.[citation needed] However, on December 20, after numerous liberal websites, politicians and media personalities touted WND's findings, Joseph Farah claimed in a WND column that the forgery experts had not actually concluded it was authentic and that, "None of them could report conclusively that the electronic image [of the birth certificate on Obama's campaign website] was authentic or that it was a forgery."[49] After MSNBC's Keith Olbermann named Farah the "Worst Person in the World" on his show, Countdown, for his apparent reversal, Farah defended himself, claiming, "the veracity of that image was never the major issue of contention. Rather, the major issue is where is the rest of the birth certificate – the part that explains where the baby was born, who the delivery doctor was, etc...I can tell you WND has done its part to find out the truth."[50]
On August 2, 2009, WorldNetDaily published an article claiming that a certified copy of registration of Obama's birth had been obtained and produced by Orly Taitz, a leading citizenship conspiracy theorist. The document purportedly proved that Barack Obama had been born at a hospital in Mombasa, Kenya[51]. The document has almost immediately proven to be a fake[52]. On September 6, Taitz released another birth certificate supposedly proving Obama's Kenyan birth[53]; this was also debunked as a fake, this time by WND reporter Jerome Corsi.
so it seems that even WorldNetDaily cannot quite make up its mind where they stand on this issue.....
Wouldn't one think it would be best if a reporter or news agency did not enter their "stand" into their reporting? Shouldn't they just report the facts?
Oh, and could you include your source next time? Thanks.
umm...gee...WIKIPEDIA...as stated at the beginning of the quote....
and they keep changing the "facts"...so shouldn't they be sure of the facts BEFORE they report them?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/19/2009 4:05:45 PM
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umm...gee...WIKIPEDIA...as stated at the beginning of the quote....
LOL. Sorry about that. I totally missed it.
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and they keep changing the "facts"...so shouldn't they be sure of the facts BEFORE they report them?
I'm talking about ALL news media, not just one or two outlets. Most news is nothing but the opinions page anymore. Why can't we just have the cold hard news, instead of some political propaganda, like CNN, Fox News, etc.? And why do they let their politics keep them from reporting something that is important to the American people?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/19/2009 5:07:59 PM
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umm...gee...WIKIPEDIA...as stated at the beginning of the quote....
LOL. Sorry about that. I totally missed it. s'okay...it kinda ran into the quote itself.....
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and they keep changing the "facts"...so shouldn't they be sure of the facts BEFORE they report them?
I'm talking about ALL news media, not just one or two outlets. Most news is nothing but the opinions page anymore. Why can't we just have the cold hard news, instead of some political propaganda, like CNN, Fox News, etc.? And why do they let their politics keep them from reporting something that is important to the American people?
I can yell a big AMEN to that!
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/20/2009 10:28:00 AM
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And why do they let their politics keep them from reporting something that is important to the American people?
That's because the America people are not important to them.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/20/2009 3:39:57 PM
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Lapidoth - Kids want to know...................
And he told them so I guess now it is all settled, right?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/20/2009 4:30:19 PM
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Lapidoth - Kids want to know...................
And he told them so I guess now it is all settled, right?
Right.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/20/2009 11:01:53 PM
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Wasn't that nice? He said it without any hesitation.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/21/2009 10:44:36 AM
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Wasn't that nice? He said it without any hesitation.
Like most of the judges have done so far.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 10/21/2009 5:16:21 PM
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Like most of the judges have done so far.
Yes, most. But not all.
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