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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/22/2009 2:13:24 AM
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ManimalX
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So... why doesn't he just release his birth certificate?
Why doesn't he release school records?
Why doesn't he release medical records?
If he is such a good guy, why is he so secretive and deceitful?
Answer: He is either ashamed of his Muslim roots or, more likely, worried about public perception.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/22/2009 10:49:34 AM
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So... why doesn't he just release his birth certificate?
Why doesn't he release school records?
Why doesn't he release medical records?
If he is such a good guy, why is he so secretive and deceitful?
Answer: He is either ashamed of his Muslim roots or, more likely, worried about public perception.
Palin released her medical records, kinda.
The details of McCain’s health are contained in 1,173 pages of medical documents spanning 2000 to 2008
Senator Obama's last medical checkup was on January 15, 2007; he had no complaints. He exercised regularly often jogging three miles. His diet was balanced with good intake of roughage and fluids. A complete review of systems was unremarkable. On physical examination, his blood pressure was 90/60 and pulse 60/minute. His build was lean and muscular with no excess body fat. His physical examination was completely normal.
The Great One: Laboratory studies included triglycerides of 44(normal under 150), cholesterol 173 (normal under 200), HDL 68 (normal over 40), and LDL 96 (normal under 130). Chem 24, urinalysis and CBC were normal, PSA was 0.6, very good. An EKG was normal.
There is no standard requirement for releasing records. Would you really want Princess to have to release her records from her GYN? Older candidates (Reagan, McCain, GHW Bush) typically release more information because they have to deal with the fitness for duty question and they have had more illnesses than younger candidates like The Great One and Princess.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/22/2009 11:05:12 AM
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cow451
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So... why doesn't he just release his birth certificate?
Why doesn't he release school records?
This from a site with extensive information about school records. Note that line 2 lists birthplace as Honolulu.
What school records are you wanting "released" that aren't out there?
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/22/2009 5:50:16 PM
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ORIGINAL: ManimalX
So... why doesn't he just release his birth certificate?
Why doesn't he release school records?
Why doesn't he release medical records?
If he is such a good guy, why is he so secretive and deceitful?
Answer: He is either ashamed of his Muslim roots or, more likely, worried about public perception.
He has released all the information already. Do a search and you will find all that info in 30 seconds. The birthers are just a bunch of people who won't accept facts. If we put them on a time machine and took them back into the delivery room so they could witness firsthand Obama exiting his mother's body on American soil, they would still try to say he wasn't an American.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/22/2009 9:21:25 PM
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So... why doesn't he just release his birth certificate?
Why don't the myth-mongers do a little e-search?
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Why doesn't he release school records?
I didn't know that his grades were in question . . .
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Why doesn't he release medical records?
. . . Because they are confidential by law?
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If he is such a good guy, why is he so secretive and deceitful?
Answer: He is either ashamed of his Muslim roots or, more likely, worried about public perception.
. . . Pathetic.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/22/2009 11:56:47 PM
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Even Michelle Malkin and several other right-wing bloggers think these "birthers" are delusional, and y'know what?
They're right.
http://mediamatters.org/research/200907220051
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/29/2009 8:42:54 AM
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So... why doesn't he just release his birth certificate?
Why don't the myth-mongers do a little e-search?
Factcheck.orgs document means nothing. A certificate of live birth is NOT an original birth certificate.
The statements made by Dr. Fukino while in accordance with the laws and at first glance settle the matter, do not say anything either. The laws in 1961 left 4 different options open for an original birth certificate.
Please read the below link for an in-depth discussion of the issue.
Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
If Obama was born in the US, Why won't he release His birth certificate?
I kind of agree with his grandma, he was born in Kenya. Why would she lie? She has nothing to gain. Why would obama lie? He has everything to gain.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/29/2009 2:08:48 PM
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Factcheck.orgs document means nothing. A certificate of live birth is NOT an original birth certificate.
The statements made by Dr. Fukino while in accordance with the laws and at first glance settle the matter, do not say anything either. The laws in 1961 left 4 different options open for an original birth certificate.
Please read the below link for an in-depth discussion of the issue.
Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
If Obama was born in the US, Why won't he release His birth certificate?
I kind of agree with his grandma, he was born in Kenya. Why would she lie? She has nothing to gain. Why would obama lie? He has everything to gain.
All good points.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/29/2009 3:00:03 PM
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Factcheck.orgs document means nothing. A certificate of live birth is NOT an original birth certificate.
The statements made by Dr. Fukino while in accordance with the laws and at first glance settle the matter, do not say anything either. The laws in 1961 left 4 different options open for an original birth certificate.
Please read the below link for an in-depth discussion of the issue.
Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
If Obama was born in the US, Why won't he release His birth certificate?
I kind of agree with his grandma, he was born in Kenya. Why would she lie? She has nothing to gain. Why would obama lie? He has everything to gain.
All good points.
First, there is no credible evidence that his grandmother said that. Second, How would his family, the governments of Hawaii, Illinois and the federal government and the Department of State- not to mention the Democratic National Committee and the Federal Election Commission and the United States Senate and possibly the government of Kenya manage to have the foresight in 1961 to alter, fabricate and destroy or hide records so that this child would be eligible to be President of the United States in 2008?
Please respond without using the Trilateral Commission, Illuminati, the Bildebergers or WorldNutDaily in explaining how this has transpired.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/29/2009 3:02:50 PM
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tacitus
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Actually, all his points are dreadful.
1) The COLB issued by Hawaii, *is* the only birth certificate they issue these days -- it is the same one that any Hawaiian provides to prove their citizenship when applying for a passport, for example. Go to the HI govt web site -- they went to electronic records in 2001, there is no option to obtain a copy of original document any more.
2) It doesn't matter if HI issued COLBs for people born overseas. What matters is where it says they were born. It would have been illegal for HI to issue COLBs with the incorrect date. If Obama had been born overseas, his COLB would say so.
3) If you read the full interview with his "grandmother" (who is actually not a blood relation to Obama at all) it is clear that she thought she was being asked about Obama's father. When she realizes her mistake, she corrects herself and says that Obama was born in Hawaii.
Of course, all this just goes in one ear and out the next with the birthers. But the bottom line is that President Obama has publicly released his birth certificate (i.e. he obtained the same officially state-sanctioned copy that is available to all other Hawaiian natives) and it says he was born in Honolulu.
End of story.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/29/2009 6:24:13 PM
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todd_t
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C'mon, John_O - even Bill-O thinks the birther conspiracy is bogus.
http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200907280051
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/29/2009 9:58:51 PM
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Additionally, the hospital ran birth announcements in two separate newspapers announcing his birth in Honolulu.
I think John Stewart had a pretty good take on this:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/239147/wed-july-22-2009-kevin-nealon
-Dan.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/30/2009 3:16:30 PM
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todd_t
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I saw Steven Colbert interview Taitz on the Report this week.
She actually came off as quite charming, albeit in a nutbag kind of way. Her big argument is that in order to be deemed a native-born American citizen both parents must be current citizens.
Too bad the law doesn't see it that way, as the state of California can attest with their issue of "anchor babies" from illegal immigrants.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/30/2009 3:31:57 PM
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cow451
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I saw Steven Colbert interview Taitz on the Report this week.
She actually came off as quite charming, albeit in a nutbag kind of way. Her big argument is that in order to be deemed a native-born American citizen both parents must be current citizens.
Too bad the law doesn't see it that way, as the state of California can attest with their issue of "anchor babies" from illegal immigrants.
I thought anchor babies were FOXNews staff. Oh, wait, I'm thinking about anchor babes. Nevermind. The birthers, for all their wailing don't seem too keen on the law.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/30/2009 4:43:47 PM
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I saw Steven Colbert interview Taitz on the Report this week.
She actually came off as quite charming, albeit in a nutbag kind of way. Her big argument is that in order to be deemed a native-born American citizen both parents must be current citizens.
Too bad the law doesn't see it that way, as the state of California can attest with their issue of "anchor babies" from illegal immigrants.
That is incorrect. Under the laws at that time only one parent needs to be a citizen but must have been in the country for a period (ten years I believe) prior to the birth. obama's mamma doesn't meet that requirement. If he was born overseas she does not have the ability to pass citizenship to him.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/30/2009 5:13:18 PM
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todd_t
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That is incorrect. Under the laws at that time only one parent needs to be a citizen but must have been in the country for a period (ten years I believe) prior to the birth.
Here is ultimately where you are wrong.
Is Barack Obama a natural-born citizen of the United States and therefore eligible to become president? The answer is yes, according to Ron Gotcher, a noted California immigration lawyer and The Swamp's resident expert on presidential eligibility.
"The poster's confusion," Gotcher writes, "is over the concepts of jus sanguinis and jus soli." Under jus sanguinis, a person's citizenship is transmitted "by the blood" - by inheritance from his or her parents or grandparents. In the United States, we recognize citizenship through parentage in a number of cases.
But it is not necessary to look to the statutes that deal with citizenship through jus sanguinis, since Senator Obama's citizenship derives from jus soli - citizenship through place of birth.
According to Gotcher, "The Fourteenth Amendment commands that "[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States , and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside."
"This was clarified by the Civil Rights Act of April 9, 1866, which provided that 'All persons born in the United States and not subject to any foreign power are declared to be citizens of the United States.'"
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Except for the children of diplomats, every child born in the U.S. is a natural-born U.S. citizen, period. The parents could be citizens themselves, could be from France, could be Coneheads. Nothing else matters. Only if the child is born OUTSIDE the United States to one citizen-parent does the issue of the parents' age, citizenship, or whatever, come into play.
http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/06/is_barack_obama_a_us_citizen_y.html
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/30/2009 5:45:10 PM
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That is incorrect. Under the laws at that time only one parent needs to be a citizen but must have been in the country for a period (ten years I believe) prior to the birth. obama's mamma doesn't meet that requirement. If he was born overseas she does not have the ability to pass citizenship to him.
Actually, you are the one who is incorrect. In 1898 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649) that:
"Under the Fourteenth Amendment, a child born in the United States of parents of foreign descent who, at the time of the child's birth are subjects of a foreign power but who have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under a foreign power, and are not members of foreign forces in hostile occupation of United States territory, becomes a citizen of the United States at the time of birth."
Here's a link to the decision:
U.S. vs. Wong Kim Ark
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/30/2009 6:08:03 PM
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That is incorrect. Under the laws at that time only one parent needs to be a citizen but must have been in the country for a period (ten years I believe) prior to the birth. obama's mamma doesn't meet that requirement. If he was born overseas she does not have the ability to pass citizenship to him.
Actually, you are the one who is incorrect. In 1898 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649) that:
"Under the Fourteenth Amendment, a child born in the United States of parents of foreign descent who, at the time of the child's birth are subjects of a foreign power but who have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under a foreign power, and are not members of foreign forces in hostile occupation of United States territory, becomes a citizen of the United States at the time of birth."
Here's a link to the decision:
U.S. vs. Wong Kim Ark
Since he was born in the US, then both points are moot.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 7/30/2009 6:12:56 PM
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cow451
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That is incorrect. Under the laws at that time only one parent needs to be a citizen but must have been in the country for a period (ten years I believe) prior to the birth. obama's mamma doesn't meet that requirement. If he was born overseas she does not have the ability to pass citizenship to him.
Actually, you are the one who is incorrect. In 1898 the U.S. Supreme Court ruled (in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649) that:
"Under the Fourteenth Amendment, a child born in the United States of parents of foreign descent who, at the time of the child's birth are subjects of a foreign power but who have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States and are carrying on business in the United States, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under a foreign power, and are not members of foreign forces in hostile occupation of United States territory, becomes a citizen of the United States at the time of birth."
Here's a link to the decision:
U.S. vs. Wong Kim Ark
Since he was born in the US, then both points are moot.
I am a US citizen and have a valid birth certificate from the Commonwealth of Virginia. President Teleprompter is a citizen because he has a valid birth certificate from the State of Hawaii. There is no legal question.
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RE: Right Wingnuts Still Clinging To Obama B.C. Myth - 8/2/2009 8:55:35 AM
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Apparently the birther idiocy is largely exclusive to one region and one race. White folk in the South.
What is it about these two characteristics that make them really dumb? Republicans in the rest of the country don't seem to have caught the bug.
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