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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 10/31/2008 3:56:19 PM
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I like to hide in the bushes with the garden hose and spray any potential TPers.
Do that in North Dakota! On the right nights, you can watch them freeze to the ground before they run away. 
and, here in Texas, they'll love ya for it....it'll free refreshing...and cool them down... (it's a bit over 80 today...so, I can see some kids getting awfully hot in some of those costumes!)
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 10/31/2008 3:57:39 PM
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but I just don't see it right to be handing out the tracts to other people's kids, unless maybe you're doing a Halloween party at your church or something like that.
My mom used to hand out candy that had a salvation message printed on the package, very much like a track. Her reasoning was that if people can send their kids to her door begging, then they can't start being choosy about what she gives them(providing it's not dangerous of course). In her opinion, if they want to ask her to purchase candy and give it to them for free, then she gets to decide what kind of candy they get. Even though I never felt compelled to do that, she has a point. If it's a strangers home, then you can't really dictate what they choose to share.
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 10/31/2008 4:51:04 PM
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psende
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Yep. I even dress-up and join in the fun; and I'm 55.
As a kid, we all went trick or treating. What I most fondly remember, is the Folks who acted exited to see us, acted surprised by our costumes, and were generous to some degree. I remember nothing of the folks who didn't answer the door.
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 10/31/2008 4:59:46 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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Yep. I even dress-up and join in the fun; and I'm 55.
As a kid, we all went trick or treating. What I most fondly remember, is the Folks who acted exited to see us, acted surprised by our costumes, and were generous to some degree. I remember nothing of the folks who didn't answer the door.
While I recognize that this is a not-so-subtle put-down of those of us who don't observe your holiday, this is a shame. All there was for you all year was halloween and whether or not someone was kind to you while you stood at their door for two minutes one night a year?
Fortunately, this is not all the children in my neighborhood remember of us. There is so much more that can be done for the children that has nothing to do with a holiday celebrating the junk this one celebrates. My neighborhood children will remember when I bought things from them to help them in their school activities. They will remember the plums, apples, and blackberries we gave them in their season. After this year, they will remember the concord grapes that came into season for the first time this year. They will remember that I came to their homes and explainned that we don't do halloween, but this does not mean that we don't love them and the little gift I gave them. They will remember our conversations, our smiles and greeting them as they walk by, etc.
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 10/31/2008 5:25:11 PM
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Fortunately, this is not all the children in my neighborhood remember of us. There is so much more that can be done for the children that has nothing to do with a holiday celebrating the junk this one celebrates. My neighborhood children will remember when I bought things from them to help them in their school activities. They will remember the plums, apples, and blackberries we gave them in their season. After this year, they will remember the concord grapes that came into season for the first time this year. They will remember that I came to their homes and explainned that we don't do halloween, but this does not mean that we don't love them and the little gift I gave them. They will remember our conversations, our smiles and greeting them as they walk by, etc.
I want to come eat at your house. :)
...that made me hungry.
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 10/31/2008 5:53:04 PM
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psende
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Yep. I even dress-up and join in the fun; and I'm 55.
As a kid, we all went trick or treating. What I most fondly remember, is the Folks who acted excited to see us, acted surprised by our costumes, and were generous to some degree. I remember nothing of the folks who didn't answer the door.
While I recognize that this is a not-so-subtle put-down of those of us who don't observe your holiday, this is a shame. All there was for you all year was halloween and whether or not someone was kind to you while you stood at their door for two minutes one night a year?
Fortunately, this is not all the children in my neighborhood remember of us. There is so much more that can be done for the children that has nothing to do with a holiday celebrating the junk this one celebrates. My neighborhood children will remember when I bought things from them to help them in their school activities. They will remember the plums, apples, and blackberries we gave them in their season. After this year, they will remember the concord grapes that came into season for the first time this year. They will remember that I came to their homes and explainned that we don't do halloween, but this does not mean that we don't love them and the little gift I gave them. They will remember our conversations, our smiles and greeting them as they walk by, etc.
It's interesting to me how the written word distorts. I by no means meant to "put down" anyone. And, as a quite conservative Christian, I fully understand the difficulties people have with halloween; which, by the way, is not MY holiday (I don't really consider it is a holiday, much less, "mine").
I just don't have a lot of difficulties with the fun involved with halloween (am I spelling it correctly?). As a kid, I never associated halloween with satan, and still only see that association with those who wish to associate the two.
I mentioned "the Folks who acted excited (I caught my spelling error) to see us" only as it pertained to halloween. We went outside of our neighborgood and rarely had contact with many of these folks outside of halloween, but 45 years later, I can walk past those houses and think to myself, "they were nice folks." I don't think that is so bad.
I remember halloween being explained as a Catholic celebration of some kind (those Catholics were a bit weird).
And so I celebrate with the kids. Lots of fun. No slight intended
Anyway, as a Minnesotan to a former Minnesotan, I apologize for any feeling of put-downedness I may have given you. It sounds like, from all the fruit you give away, that you have a touch of the Green Thumb syndrom. Wish I was a kid in your neighborhood.
[Edited for spelling. Man, I'm a lousy speller.]
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 10/31/2008 7:26:57 PM
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I can honestly say my son has never been trick or treating. I did when I was younger, but the community we live in the past few years there is no opportunity for him to do so.
Maybe the Lord has another preparation for him. He really isnt' missing out on anything,but it saves me on a dental bill! 
This is his first year even eating anything sweet as in cookies and he is 2 1/2. He refused his birthday cake and just doesn't have a flavor for the stuff. Yeah me!!!!
On another note: I despise chick tracts as they are very legalistic and should be banned. JMHO
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/1/2008 1:19:42 PM
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Yes. It's a ministry opportunity. It's the only night a year my neighbors come to me...and that gladly!
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/1/2008 1:47:21 PM
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Personally, I love to be the one in the house giving the candy out because then I get to interact with the kids and just be friendly with them. Sometimes our actions speak louder than our words.
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/2/2008 8:24:15 AM
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We don't open the door....because we are sitting outside by the end of the driveway passing out candy. It's a very fun night on our block...almost all the neighbors sit by their driveway dressed in costumes as well. After trick or treat hours are over we all get together for a scavenger hunt. The last clue also tells us which house to meet at for dessert. We have already decided next yr. to end with a huge bonfire and weiner roast at one of the nearby farms.
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/2/2008 9:14:36 AM
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oh that sounds like the way to do it buckifn
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/2/2008 8:59:52 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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It's interesting to me how the written word distorts. I by no means meant to "put down" anyone. . . .
Thank you so much for explaining. I appreciate that and apologize to you that I read you wrong.
This year, I bought the neighborhood children battery toothbrushes. I need to buy something else to deliver with them -- not sure what yet but not candy -- and I will be personally taking my gifts around to them all within a couple weeks.
We have mostly great children in our neighborhood. The one who isn't "great" is being influenced by the child's own parents -- so sad.
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/3/2008 9:22:23 AM
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Hey, just wanted everyone to know that the poll is working now. I was getting errors every time I would try and vote, and it looks like everyone else was too because mine was the first vote. Go ahead and do the poll now, voting yes or no.
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/3/2008 10:30:28 PM
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Haven't done it in years because I've never been able to allow myself to promote halloween, but this year I was weak. There must have been 100 kiddos through here and I'm not even exaggerating. One housemate dressed up as a toddler complete with pigtails and teddy bear while I donned my best Saree. The other 3 came later and helped us pass out candy to the teenagers that passed by. Many of these kids I never see except for the few of them that always come by when I'm outside messing with my flowers. I kept wondering... where are all these kids coming from???
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/4/2008 12:45:21 PM
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I know I'm not a regular on the forum and so I don't know most of you but this thread seems awfully negative. From the title on down, kids are either beggars, tp'ers, or potential coverts that you just have to give a tract to. Yes, Halloween was founded on occult practices, but most people are just having fun dressing up the kids and following silly traditions.
For me and my family, after we get home from church activities, which is still fairly early, we love to see all the neighborhood kids dressed up, we are happy to give them a few goodies (no strings or tracts attached), and wish them well. We've never been tp'ed or had any other prank for that matter. Maybe the neighborhood kids know we care.
Lighten up people, let the kids have fun for once.
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/4/2008 12:49:11 PM
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I know I'm not a regular on the forum and so I don't know most of you but this thread seems awfully negative. From the title on down, kids are either beggars, tp'ers, or potential coverts that you just have to give a tract to. Yes, Halloween was founded on occult practices, but most people are just having fun dressing up the kids and following silly traditions.
For me and my family, after we get home from church activities, which is still fairly early, we love to see all the neighborhood kids dressed up, we are happy to give them a few goodies (no strings or tracts attached), and wish them well. We've never been tp'ed or had any other prank for that matter. Maybe the neighborhood kids know we care.
Lighten up people, let the kids have fun for once.
Not all of us have gone down the over-the-top approach, mind you. You might want to read the thread a little closer.
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/4/2008 2:05:17 PM
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Went to vote this morning. My voting place is a church. I am not around halloween stuff except while shopping, and I was stunned to see, displayed in the church's hall (where we voted) skeletons, skulls, witches, witches' brooms, etc. It is amazing to me that we are so nonchalant about the "dark side" and about representations of evil that we would display them in our churches. Reminds me of a certain scripture about the tongue, but I also wonder: can we sincerely praise G-d in the churches and in our actions while dabbling with evil and teaching our children to join in? Can we? Sincerely? Really?
No, I don't open the door. I don't want my neighbors to associate me with anything of this sort.
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/4/2008 4:21:06 PM
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Lighten up people, let the kids have fun for once.
Its a kids' holiday. I agree.
This isn't saying that you don't take lightly the fact that there is evil in this world and that there are things you teach your children about avoiding, and I have no problem with people who don't want to associate with it. But Halloween (like many of the traditions of Christmas and Easter) has gone from being an occult holiday of witches and other pagans to being just a time for kids (and adults, too) to get creative, dress up, try and win costume parties, get candy, etc. I don't worry about it.
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/4/2008 4:37:31 PM
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Suppose -- just suppose! Suppose that way, way back after the war that destroyed Jerusalem with the Temple, all the believers had decided that they would not walk away from their fellow believers who were Jews. Suppose that instead, they would pay the tax the Romans were putting upon all believers in Messiah who were Jews and/or who worshipped as Jews, rather than walk away and denounce what they had said were their beliefs. Suppose they said that they would continue in the Way that they had initially embraced. And suppose they had done that throughout the centuries, up to our day.
Then all the little children of believers would be sukkah hopping! They would be going from one believing home to another, invited into the sukkah, given food and treats, given gifts. They would play games around the sukkah. They would chat with their friends and meet new friends.
And halloween would be only in the homes of the pagans, never to enter the homes of the believers.
Imagine that!
How much more our children would be blessed to be doing what OUR G-D says, rather than following what the world has pushed -- the world that has shamed Christians into going along with them, because we don't recognize the command to come out of the world and be dfifferent.
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/4/2008 4:38:46 PM
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Lighten up people, let the kids have fun for once.
Its a kids' holiday. I agree.
This isn't saying that you don't take lightly the fact that there is evil in this world and that there are things you teach your children about avoiding, and I have no problem with people who don't want to associate with it. But Halloween (like many of the traditions of Christmas and Easter) has gone from being an occult holiday of witches and other pagans to being just a time for kids (and adults, too) to get creative, dress up, try and win costume parties, get candy, etc. I don't worry about it.
Creative, to what end? There is good creative, and bad creative. It's not just a time to dress up, and get creative... it's a time to honor the things that are dark, and evil. Jesus said, "He who hates me loves death."
I am pretty possitive from the things I've seen that it is more than just a time to innocently dress up, but rather, it is a holiday *primarily focused* around honoring and magnifying death.
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/4/2008 4:43:25 PM
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I guess it just depends on if you take things way too seriously in your life or not.
If that's the case, lets get rid of all holidays.
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/4/2008 4:49:36 PM
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Suppose -- just suppose! Suppose that way, way back after the war that destroyed Jerusalem with the Temple, all the believers had decided that they would not walk away from their fellow believers who were Jews. Suppose that instead, they would pay the tax the Romans were putting upon all believers in Messiah who were Jews and/or who worshipped as Jews, rather than walk away and denounce what they had said were their beliefs. Suppose they said that they would continue in the Way that they had initially embraced. And suppose they had done that throughout the centuries, up to our day.
Then all the little children of believers would be sukkah hopping! They would be going from one believing home to another, invited into the sukkah, given food and treats, given gifts. They would play games around the sukkah. They would chat with their friends and meet new friends.
And halloween would be only in the homes of the pagans, never to enter the homes of the believers.
Imagine that!
How much more our children would be blessed to be doing what OUR GOD says, rather than following what the world has pushed -- the world that has shamed Christians into going along with them, because we don't recognize the command to come out of the world and be dfifferent.
I'm imagining it. And why would they be sukkah hopping?
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RE: When the beggers come knocking... do you answer? - 11/4/2008 4:55:12 PM
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I know I'm not a regular on the forum and so I don't know most of you but this thread seems awfully negative. From the title on down, kids are either beggars, tp'ers, or potential coverts that you just have to give a tract to. Yes, Halloween was founded on occult practices, but most people are just having fun dressing up the kids and following silly traditions.
For me and my family, after we get home from church activities, which is still fairly early, we love to see all the neighborhood kids dressed up, we are happy to give them a few goodies (no strings or tracts attached), and wish them well. We've never been tp'ed or had any other prank for that matter. Maybe the neighborhood kids know we care.
Lighten up people, let the kids have fun for once.
I must take issue w/ a couple things. "Lighten up people, let the kids have fun for once."
For once? So, trick-or-treating is the only fun the kids in your neighborhood have fun all year? I doubt that, really.
When Jesus fed the 5,000, no strings attached, it was in response to a legitimate need as those following him were very hungry. He also turned water into wine, no strings attached, as we also know. Marriage is defintely something God approves of. I'm glad that seeing people dress up is fun, but at what cost? I don't really think it shows them you care, no offense. I think that it shows them you have candy, which they definitely want, and that you are willing to give them your candy if they tell you a joke (or even if they don't perhaps). It's nothing special... isn't that what everyone else is doing? It's not like you sit down on the couch with each of them, get to know them, and are required to invest any serious time or thought into them showing that you care. You drop some candy into a bag, and probably won't see them again for another year. What kid wouldn't want free candy? I know I did (and I still do want candy!), but it is hardly showing them you care.
I trick-or-treated when I was younger too, and it was all about the candy. Well, that and dressing up as evil as I could, and enjoying the scary death scenes at various people's houses. I would treasure all the Reeses Peanut Butter Cups I could get (they were, are, and will always be the best).
You say you are giving away candy no strings attached, but there may be strings that you don't even know about. I think, no offense, that giving out candy on Halloween is a lame way to show the neighborhood kids that you care. I think there are much better ways that require a sincere effort, and commitment. But, that is my opinion. :)
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