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15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

15:24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

15:26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.

15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

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Psalm 110 is the OT chapter that is most frequently cited in the NT. For example, see I Cor. 15: 22 - 28:

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15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

15:24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

15:26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death.

15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Jesus is ruling now, subduing His enemies one by one. And we have a piece of the action. But we also have a long ways to go -- a job big enough for the next 90 generations!

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A common and false understanding of that verse is that it's a prophecy that still needs to be fulfilled. However, Scripture is clear that it has been already.

Romans 10:17,18 say...."So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: "Their sound has gone out to all the earth, And their words to the ends of the world.""

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So WHO exactly came to the Americas and preached to the natives prior to Paul writing that verse? Or the Phillipine tribe that was only discovered in the 1960s?

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In Matthew 24:14 Jesus stated and "this gospel of the kingdom" shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

So what, might we conclude, would be, "this gospel of the kingdom" , and would the church be teaching, that gospel currently?

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A common and false understanding of that verse is that it's a prophecy that still needs to be fulfilled. However, Scripture is clear that it has been already.

Romans 10:17,18 say...."So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: "Their sound has gone out to all the earth, And their words to the ends of the world.""

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Romans 16:25,26 say..."Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith....."

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Colossians 1:5,6 say..."because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel, which has come to you, as it has also in all the world, and is bringing forth fruit, as it is also among you since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth;"

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Colossians 1:23 says "if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister."

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A common and false understanding of that verse is that it's a prophecy that still needs to be fulfilled. However, Scripture is clear that it has been already.

Romans 10:17,18 say...."So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed: "Their sound has gone out to all the earth, And their words to the ends of the world.""

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Romans 16:25,26 say..."Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began but now has been made manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures has been made known to all nations, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith....."

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Colossians 1:5,6 say..."because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel, which has come to you, as it has also in all the world, and is bringing forth fruit, as it is also among you since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth;"

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Colossians 1:23 says "if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister."

you posted some good verses, and I would agree, with the scriptures, the scripture does say that, but I wouldn't necessarily agree that the prophecy of Matthew 24:14 has already been fulfilled. as I read Matthew 24, it seems as if a lot of others things are to take place prior to Matthew 24:14, like vs 7, nation (nationalities) and kingdoms against one another, famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in diverse places, and I am not quite sure if all of that took place in the time period Paul preached, but looking at the 1900's it may resemble those verses, and of course today's conditions also.
One of the reasons I asked the question, was because Jesus referred to "gospel of the Kingdom" shall be preached, and as I notice in the scriptures, when Jesus sent the people out to proclaim the "kingdom message" signs and wonders or healings and miracles took place, and demons were cast out.
I am not a scholar on church history, but as I look at the history, I see the church going through periods of changes. I also notice in Matthew 24 th chapter, verse 29 and 30. the sun shall be darkened and the moon shall not give her light, then in vs 30 "then shall they see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven. when I read those two verses it reminds me of Acts 2:19 and 20.

But anyhow my point is this I have seen from church history changes in the church, and perhaps some would agree with the changes there was good and bad. I have also noticed the healings and miracles ministry, and casting out demons, ministry returning to the church more openly, not saying that it disappeared completely, but it was almost snuffed out, and as I see in the new testament the "kingdom message" included those.

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sure -- mark 16: and these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well." after the L-rd jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of G-d. then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the L-rd worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.

the signs, however are associated with belief in christ. the signs themselves are not the kingdom. look at the parables: what does jesus say the kingdom is like? i did a search with christianity.com's own bible study and there are 91 instances of the phrase "the kingdom" in the gospels alone. but the kingdom is compared to many things - a pearl, a mustard seed (and tree), yeast, etc. it is not said that the kingdom is composed of signs and wonders. they may follow but that is not the proof. after all, won't many say they did those things in his name, and yet still be banished from his presence? why is that? because the kingdom is about relationship, and more specifically, sonship (which is positional rather than gendered).

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Luke 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

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sure -- mark 16: and these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well." after the L-rd jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of G-d. then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the L-rd worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.

the signs, however are associated with belief in christ. the signs themselves are not the kingdom. look at the parables: what does jesus say the kingdom is like? i did a search with christianity.com's own bible study and there are 91 instances of the phrase "the kingdom" in the gospels alone. but the kingdom is compared to many things - a pearl, a mustard seed (and tree), yeast, etc. it is not said that the kingdom is composed of signs and wonders. they may follow but that is not the proof. after all, won't many say they did those things in his name, and yet still be banished from his presence? why is that? because the kingdom is about relationship, and more specifically, sonship (which is positional rather than gendered).

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Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

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sure -- mark 16: and these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well." after the L-rd jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of G-d. then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the L-rd worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it.

the signs, however are associated with belief in christ. the signs themselves are not the kingdom. look at the parables: what does jesus say the kingdom is like? i did a search with christianity.com's own bible study and there are 91 instances of the phrase "the kingdom" in the gospels alone. but the kingdom is compared to many things - a pearl, a mustard seed (and tree), yeast, etc. it is not said that the kingdom is composed of signs and wonders. they may follow but that is not the proof. after all, won't many say they did those things in his name, and yet still be banished from his presence? why is that? because the kingdom is about relationship, and more specifically, sonship (which is positional rather than gendered).

and yes the Bible says many will say (or claim) to Jesus they did those things.

the big question would be why did they even say that they did those things, when they stood before Jesus????

I believe that Jesus explains that in verse 21 right before, he makes that "many will say to me statement" "he that doeth the will of the Father"
another-words that is Fathers will.

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Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

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you posted some good verses, and I would agree, with the scriptures, the scripture does say that, but I wouldn't necessarily agree that the prophecy of Matthew 24:14 has already been fulfilled. as I read Matthew 24, it seems as if a lot of others things are to take place prior to Matthew 24:14, like vs 7, nation (nationalities) and kingdoms against one another, famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in diverse places, and I am not quite sure if all of that took place in the time period Paul preached, but looking at the 1900's it may resemble those verses, and of course today's conditions also.

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you posted some good verses, and I would agree, with the scriptures, the scripture does say that, but I wouldn't necessarily agree that the prophecy of Matthew 24:14 has already been fulfilled. as I read Matthew 24, it seems as if a lot of others things are to take place prior to Matthew 24:14, like vs 7, nation (nationalities) and kingdoms against one another, famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in diverse places, and I am not quite sure if all of that took place in the time period Paul preached, but looking at the 1900's it may resemble those verses, and of course today's conditions also.

What if the entire chapter isn't eschatology? What if the first several verses are referring to the destruction of the Temple?

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I think Matthew 24:3 explains your question.
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

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I think Matthew 24:3 explains your question.
And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

Ah, but Matthew 24:1,2 says "Then Jesus went out and departed from the temple, and His disciples came up to show Him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said to them, "Do you not see all these things? Assuredly, I say to you, not one stone shall be left here upon another, that shall not be thrown down." "

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So WHO exactly came to the Americas and preached to the natives prior to Paul writing that verse? Or the Phillipine tribe that was only discovered in the 1960s?

That is a fair question but obviously nobody can answer that, you know that! Do you disagree with the Scripture verses I listed above?