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tinydancer2 -> Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/6/2008 12:39:10 PM)

VATICAN CITY (AP) - Pope Benedict XVI says the global financial crisis show the futility of money and ambition.

Benedict says that "now with the collapse of big banks we see that money disappears, is nothing and all these things that appear real are in fact of secondary importance." He urges those who build their lives "only on things that are visible, such as success, career, money" to keep that in mind.

The pontiff was speaking Monday as he opened the works of a meeting of 253 bishops at the Vatican.

Benedict says "the only solid reality is the word of God." here



As the Leader of the largest christian religious body in the world and the USA alsoRCC he can sure urge global leaders to not lose focus of the realities of poverty, hunger, deseases and many etcs that affects the most vulnerable and the unequalities between people groups peoples in the world. Pope at UN 9/21


Amem Pope!


Unfortunately we do not have a united Protestant church because of so many denominations and many etc...[>:]



Jhud -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/6/2008 2:19:47 PM)

I would have to say the Pope is right on the money here (NPI), and one can only hope Western Christians will see this time not only as a financial crisis, but as an opportunity to evaluate one's own confidence in God's provision.



raivyne -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/6/2008 2:36:00 PM)

I'm not catholic, but I <3 the Pope anyway. [:)] This is the same message my pastor has been giving too.



RyansWife -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/6/2008 5:54:27 PM)

Beautifully said.

For riches certainly make themselves wings; They fly away like an eagle toward heaven (Prov. 23:5)



JimboFletch -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/6/2008 5:56:14 PM)

Does this mean the Vatican is going to liquidate its enormous wealth and distribute it to the poor?



tinydancer2 -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/6/2008 6:46:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

Does this mean the Vatican is going to liquidate its enormous wealth and distribute it to the poor?



They sure are doing something already: world and their leadership: poverty cicle and here domesticaly: RC charities USA


If they are going "liquidate" wealth and sell museun stuff in Vaticano etc I don't know as they are a country and to run a state is not the same as run just a church non state etc..burocracy and stuff all over plus their adherents may not want their state possessions to be sold ? Plus not all Catholic priests are from the order of Francis of Assis..they do have differents orders and etc.

Is just like the ways of some Protestant and Evangelicals nowdays, some are much into $ and others not so..[8|]

I do think among "everybody" there are the lovers of mamon, the love of it is the root of evil. One cannot serve 2 masters. Or the master is God or mamon/wealth.

And I personaly have been learning a lot about my own ways because of economy and marke, I do have personal interests and investiment also..as many property owners around who are trying to sell for a while and etc and not selling.. I sure learning my lessons to keep trusting the Lord and focus on Him.



galadriel2 -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/6/2008 7:47:14 PM)

I think the Pope is right on with this one.

God bless all,
Galadriel2

'In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth.' (Js. 1:18a)



colliefan -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/6/2008 10:24:15 PM)

I agree with his sentiments, but I would love to see his church put its money into action.



Dragonnie -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/6/2008 11:15:52 PM)

not to offend catholics (i'm an equal opportunity offender, btw.), but what about the vatican's spending nearly $9 million for JP 11's burial...



JimboFletch -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/7/2008 7:50:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AdrianaS
....I don't know as they are a country and to run a state is not the same as run just a church non state etc..burocracy and stuff all over plus their adherents may not want their state possessions to be sold ? Plus not all Catholic priests are from the order of Francis of Assis..they do have differents orders and etc...

They have long, long tried to treat it as a separate, sovereign country. The US has even sent ambassadors to the Vatican just like any other nation. In fact, many years ago, the Vatican had one of the most formidable armies in the world to enforce the Pope's will on kings and nations. If the Pope decided that the church would get rid of excess and become a living example of charity without hording, it would be so.



tinydancer2 -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/7/2008 11:01:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dragonnie

not to offend catholics (i'm an equal opportunity offender, btw.), but what about the vatican's spending nearly $9 million for JP 11's burial...



But a Pope do get State Funeral as many head of States get those, traditional and full of honors and many etcs..

If one think about many Popes do live and are in power more than many Presidents, Kings etc and on top of that are religious leaders and people get attached and etc $9 millions to public funeral is not that much..President Reagan funeral cost way $400 millions..counting all the costs including the gov employees not working and etc

My church expended $4 millions for renovations! Many churches expends lots of money with buildings and stuff.

I sure not defending expendings of ayone but just trying to put the many realities around into perspective.

I myself do live a simple life and want to be cremated put in a box and burried in a beautiful garden, maybe with an ocean view..and will waiting for the Lord return..for sure will be taking away dead or alive by the Lord!



tinydancer2 -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/7/2008 11:17:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

quote:

ORIGINAL: AdrianaS
....I don't know as they are a country and to run a state is not the same as run just a church non state etc..burocracy and stuff all over plus their adherents may not want their state possessions to be sold ? Plus not all Catholic priests are from the order of Francis of Assis..they do have differents orders and etc...

They have long, long tried to treat it as a separate, sovereign country. The US has even sent ambassadors to the Vatican just like any other nation. In fact, many years ago, the Vatican had one of the most formidable armies in the world to enforce the Pope's will on kings and nations. If the Pope decided that the church would get rid of excess and become a living example of charity without hording, it would be so.


JimboFletch,

I do agree that we all must get rid of excess and that religious institutions would that also..but..

Do you think that a traditional church as RCC , having many centuries traditions and etc all of the sundenly a Pope will decide to get rid of those traditions? Popes may come and go but the institution keep going and the traditions and stuff are in their books etc etc like the Kingdons we have around..many regal families had to get rid of excess because of times and peoples pressures, I think..

I do not think of course can be wrong that a Pope have the power to erase RCC traditions and sell stuff and give away money by selling their household wealth and museun stuff...the centuries old system into place will not allow him to go this road.


I do remember when was living in 3rd world country doing social work with my mom etc as having an ideia the RCC was rich and why they didn't help all the poor or even pay poor countries IMF debts...[:D] They do not sell Vatican wealth and give away..as many religious Institutions keep expending more money with buildings and stuff than to mission, community outreach and the poor...the budget priorities is mess up all over the place including christian households.


The only One who will resolve the individual and global "problems" to perfection is Lord Jesus! He will get rid of all the mess for sure.

Maranata Lord Jesus!



EStan -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/7/2008 11:20:52 AM)

Give me Jesus, give me Jesus...

You can have all this world, but give me Jesus...

[;)]



tinydancer2 -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/7/2008 11:53:03 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: EStan

Give me Jesus, give me Jesus...

You can have all this world, but give me Jesus...

[;)]


Amem EStan, lets praise Him!

[sm=icon_smile_sing.gif] "In the morning when I rise..Give me Jesus, Give me Jesus!"

Give me Jesus



galadriel2 -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/7/2008 12:41:06 PM)

The Vatican is a State. They never left their medieval mentality of the uniting of Church and State under the one Pope. They just got smaller.

God bless,
Galadriel2



JimboFletch -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/7/2008 12:44:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AdrianaS
I do not think of course can be wrong that a Pope have the power to erase RCC traditions and sell stuff and give away money by selling their household wealth and museun stuff...the centuries old system into place will not allow him to go this road.

There was another time when tradition and excess got in the way of the RCC and would not allow change, even godly change. We call it the Protestant Reformation.
[;)]



Jhud -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/7/2008 2:24:46 PM)

I've never been Catholic, and am not to this day, but one need only spend a few minutes surfing religious stations to see that the Catholic church certainly has no monopoly on the wealth market. There are plenty of rich selfish Protestant leaders, and there are plenty of Catholic leaders who have sacrificed material wealth all together to serve Christ. The Popes words are true, whatever the past or present misdeeds of his church.



tinydancer2 -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/7/2008 3:32:54 PM)

I'm Protestant and goes well with my personality because I do protest a lot and prefer be that than just Evangelical..



"Catholic church certainly has no monopoly on the wealth market. There are plenty of rich selfish Protestant leaders, and there are plenty of Catholic leaders who have sacrificed material wealth all together to serve Christ. The Popes words are true, whatever the past or present misdeeds of his church. "

I do agree.




The Lord is sooo patient with all of us for sure! He is saving and later on will be judging!

Now with all the wording around "news" goes as turmoil, uncertainty and etc that comes in crises.. I'm remembering that hymn "Peace be Still or Master The Tempest is Raging" ..inspired by Mk 4:37-39 about great storm and mighty wind and followers of dearest Him thinking they are perishing while the Master sleeping in the boat..



But because my imagination I did imagine that boat scene more like the one at the Titanic movie, when that young lady was open arms as the boat was on sailing..I imagined myself open arms as Lord Jesus my Captain piloting and anchoring my boat, through good and bad waters! As Lord God is a loving Father He does bother about imagination picture one may come spontaneously inside..He does understand each one of us deeply! Amem.



He is our Treasure !



martyfran -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/8/2008 7:06:01 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

Does this mean the Vatican is going to liquidate its enormous wealth and distribute it to the poor?



Since you raised the issue, the question is how much wealth does it have, and how much should be liquidated? For example, the Vatican does have a pension fund for its employees, which it funds with investments. Is there something immoral about that? Would you say that the Assemblies of God or the SBC should sell off their pension funds and give the money to the poor?



mapachito13 -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/8/2008 8:11:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: AdrianaS

quote:

ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

Does this mean the Vatican is going to liquidate its enormous wealth and distribute it to the poor?



They sure are doing something already: world and their leadership: poverty cicle and here domesticaly: RC charities USA


If they are going "liquidate" wealth and sell museun stuff in Vaticano etc I don't know as they are a country and to run a state is not the same as run just a church non state etc..burocracy and stuff all over plus their adherents may not want their state possessions to be sold ? Plus not all Catholic priests are from the order of Francis of Assis..they do have differents orders and etc.

Is just like the ways of some Protestant and Evangelicals nowdays, some are much into $ and others not so..[8|]

I do think among "everybody" there are the lovers of mamon, the love of it is the root of evil. One cannot serve 2 masters. Or the master is God or mamon/wealth.

And I personaly have been learning a lot about my own ways because of economy and marke, I do have personal interests and investiment also..as many property owners around who are trying to sell for a while and etc and not selling.. I sure learning my lessons to keep trusting the Lord and focus on Him.


Thank you AdrianaS for those links to CRS and Catholic Charities USA. Where is this Catholic wealth? Mainly in real estate? What's on this real estate? Churches.

Matthew 26:8-9 When the disciples saw this they grew indignant, protesting: "What is the point of such extravagance? This could have been sold for a good price and the money given to the poor."

BTW, Does your church property have a "For Sale" sign on it, Jimbo?



FurGodWurLivin -> RE: Pope: Financial crises shows the futility of money (10/9/2008 3:37:11 AM)

I have to admit... Benedict has garnered my respect a lot during his papacy. He has said a couple of things that worry me, but I'm also finding that he is saying a lot that makes me actually like his doctrinal standings. Were I catholic, I would not mind having this one as the leader.

Adam



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