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drussell52 -> sin in the light of history (9/30/2008 1:06:04 PM)

I am currently reading what has become quite a fascinating nonfiction title for me, All The Shah's Men by Kinzer. Currently getting a history of the Iranian nation and in general that part of the world from its inception to today. I got thinking about empires that were plundered by seeming ruthless conquerors, and some were quite egotistical in having scores of wives, concubines, and demanding loyalty by others and compare this to many of us who live in the western world in the 21st century and focus more on sin as a condition within, i.e., thoughts, words, and deeds. The only thing in common between the sinner now and the one quite blatent then, is little to no regard for any law of God beyond their self. The tangibility of the ruthless is quite apparent. Since a lot of that religious slant was based on measured good and bad behavior, how did we move from a behavior centered religion, to a heart centered religion as Christians? Out of the heart comes the resultant behavior, but today - do we have in the western world anything that would resemble the despots of the let's say 10th to the first centuries BCE? Quite interesting. (Drussell52)



DougHorton -> RE: sin in the light of history (9/30/2008 5:34:43 PM)

Have you not heard of Saddam Hussein? Why do you think we had that war?

Idi Amin, Hitler, Mussolini, and yes, even some of the people we consider 'good guys' on our side.



JimboFletch -> RE: sin in the light of history (9/30/2008 5:42:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: drussell52
...first centuries BCE? Quite interesting. (Drussell52)

I find it quite interesting that believers have caved to the secular word and choose to use BCE rather than honoring the One time is truly divided for with BC.
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Before the Common Era (BCE) and the Common Era (CE) are about time Before Christ (BC) and after His Incarnation, In the Year of the Lord (AD).



tracydolls -> RE: sin in the light of history (10/1/2008 3:10:54 AM)

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I find it quite interesting that believers have caved to the secular word and choose to use BCE rather than honoring the One time is truly divided for with BC.


Before the Common Era (BCE) and the Common Era (CE) are about time Before Christ (BC) and after His Incarnation, In the Year of the Lord (AD).



Jimbo, I was helping my daughter with a paper for college and read that. BCE. I was like what kind of mess is this now?

how did Bc and Ad get taken out? When?



JimboFletch -> RE: sin in the light of history (10/1/2008 8:16:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls
how did Bc and Ad get taken out? When?

When, I'm not entirely sure but the how was the intellectual elite decided that it was offensive to acknowledge Jesus Christ when noting years and they began pushing it anywhere and any way they could. It's more political correctness and our world's attempt to rid itself of God and Jesus. That doesn't surprise me. What surprises me is the calm acceptance of professing Christians, even when communicating only with other believers.



drussell52 -> RE: sin in the light of history (10/1/2008 12:40:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: tracydolls
how did Bc and Ad get taken out? When?

When, I'm not entirely sure but the how was the intellectual elite decided that it was offensive to acknowledge Jesus Christ when noting years and they began pushing it anywhere and any way they could. It's more political correctness and our world's attempt to rid itself of God and Jesus. That doesn't surprise me. What surprises me is the calm acceptance of professing Christians, even when communicating only with other believers.

Some of you have the uncanny ability to take a topic, chop it up and turn it to your own whim.. Find it rather annoying and disconcerting. (no smiles)



JimboFletch -> RE: sin in the light of history (10/1/2008 3:51:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: drussell52
Some of you have the uncanny ability to take a topic, chop it up and turn it to your own whim.. Find it rather annoying and disconcerting. (no smiles)

You see no shame whatsoever in following the world's lead in removing Christ from His division of human time?

You were the one who wrote, "Out of the heart comes the resultant behavior..." I just thought such a, IMO, significant detail interesting in light of that thought.



drussell52 -> RE: sin in the light of history (10/1/2008 5:42:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch

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ORIGINAL: drussell52
Some of you have the uncanny ability to take a topic, chop it up and turn it to your own whim.. Find it rather annoying and disconcerting. (no smiles)

You see no shame whatsoever in following the world's lead in removing Christ from His division of human time?

You were the one who wrote, "Out of the heart comes the resultant behavior..." I just thought such a, IMO, significant detail interesting in light of that thought.

Jimbo, no shame whatsoever, in fact learned the BCE from a late professor and born again messianic Jewish Rabbi of Fuller Seminary, seen in resources by J. K. McKee and Mark Huey at tnnonline.net also a messianic resource, and hints of it at other like-minded sites. I also shop at chain stores which are in the world since I don't have the time nor wherewithall to make my own clothes, grow my own food, and my utilities come from a public vendor also in the world. If you have suprassed in all these abilities, hat is off to you and those of like mind for you have truly ascended and the rest of us are here to stick out the tribulation.. No shame dear brother, just disgust at how some of you can come off so self righteous, self correct, and self made..



JimboFletch -> RE: sin in the light of history (10/1/2008 5:53:54 PM)

I live IN the world too, David, but try to follow the admonition to not be OF the world. I'm also rather disinclined to wish people a "Happy Winter Holiday" than to keep up the rather offensive "MERRY CHRISTMAS." Same with "Spring Holiday" on "Resurrection Sunday."

I'm just funny that way.



LBolt -> RE: sin in the light of history (10/11/2008 11:14:05 AM)

Jimbo, with all do respect to you, please don't take this the wrong way, but what did your reply have to do with the OP? This is supposed to a discussion about sin... not the use of BCE or BC.

Let's be respectful to one another.



JimboFletch -> RE: sin in the light of history (10/13/2008 10:30:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LBolt
Let's be respectful to one another.

That's not very respectful of my feelings about acknowledging Jesus' incarnation as the true reference in time.
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'Sides, your post didn't have anything to do with the OP, even if you were a Post Monitor.
[8D]



DaveW -> RE: sin in the light of history (10/20/2008 10:12:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: JimboFletch
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ORIGINAL: tracydolls
how did Bc and Ad get taken out? When?
When, I'm not entirely sure but the how was the intellectual elite decided that it was offensive to acknowledge Jesus Christ when noting years and they began pushing it anywhere and any way they could. It's more political correctness and our world's attempt to rid itself of God and Jesus. That doesn't surprise me. What surprises me is the calm acceptance of professing Christians, even when communicating only with other believers.
Actually, it was not the "intellectual elite," it was religious Jews that found they were growing increasively involved in the modern world (1600s) and had to use the gregorian dates in their business deals. They were not happy about using "Christ" and "Lord" in their dates.

Somewhere in the late 1700s we start seeing the use of CE (common era) and BCE (before the common era) being used in Jewish documents. By the mid 1800s it was used by Jewish academics. No one knows who came up with it but its usage is almost universal now in Jewish communities world wide.

For more info: http://www.answers.com/topic/common-era



JimboFletch -> RE: sin in the light of history (10/21/2008 11:17:42 AM)

I understand why Jews prefer the terms but I also found that the first use of the Latin equivalent (vulgaris aerae) discovered so far was in a 1615 book by Johannes Kepler.

Johannes Kepler (a Lutheran) was a German mathematician, astronomer and astrologer, and key figure in the 17th century astronomical revolution.

In any case, AD & BC were the most widely used and accepted terms until sometime in the past 30 or so years. It has become increasingly politically correct to avoid using the terms in secular works. It just bothers me to see Common Era used in Christian literature and by believers when it is Jesus Christ around which the dividing point centers.



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