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TMeeks -> While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 11:29:45 AM)
There has been no more important sentence uttered by the great orator Barack Obama than this one. Obama, "If I can be helpful.." While he tried to cover his failure to do his job as a senator by claiming he did not want to inject presidential poitics, he gave away the store by admitting that he wasn't that confident that he WOULD be that helpful. Yet, this man, who seems to indicate that his presence and influence would NOT be helpful in, perhaps, the most important legislative action of this century thinks it WOULD be helpful to have him run this great country. Frankly, I'll let his presidential helpfulness be defined by his own analysis of his Senatorial helpfulness. We BOTH question it.

jfwink -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 11:46:18 AM)
Yeah, and that was just a day or so after Obama said something to the effect of this economy is the worst since the great depression.

adelphi_sky -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 12:12:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TMeeks There has been no more important sentence uttered by the great orator Barack Obama than this one. Obama, "If I can be helpful.." While he tried to cover his failure to do his job as a senator by claiming he did not want to inject presidential poitics, he gave away the store by admitting that he wasn't that confident that he WOULD be that helpful. Yet, this man, who seems to indicate that his presence and influence would NOT be helpful in, perhaps, the most important legislative action of this century thinks it WOULD be helpful to have him run this great country. Frankly, I'll let his presidential helpfulness be defined by his own analysis of his Senatorial helpfulness. We BOTH question it. You chide him for being honest. lol Let's see. McCain rushed in like he was the hero who could save the day and did absolutely nothing. And according to the people working diligently on the bill, he mucked things up. At least Obama is humble enough to realize there are people smarter than him on economical issues. That's why he's not on the finance committee. If he was, then I'd be worried. NO president is an expert on everything. That's why you have people working for you in those areas. the right people are on the job. Obama realizes it. Remember the old saying, "If you have nothing valuable to add, then don't speak."

StephK -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 12:26:07 PM)
He brought the issue to light in what the Dems were doing. The bill was being loaded with so much pork to dem pet projects that the taxpayer for generations would have been forever indebted. The real crisis was the fact that those in charge were getting ready to sell us out completely.

Restored_Heart -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 12:33:47 PM)
Actually, I think that it makes sense that McCain would be more able to assist in the legislative process... He has many more contacts and ties on both parites - has had for years, while Obama is a junior senator.... I always get the impression that Pelosi and Reid don't think they need him.... It makes sense to me.

jfwink -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 1:03:15 PM)
Sorry, but "If I can be helpful..." I'll be there? Is not leadership.

adelphi_sky -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 1:19:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jfwink Sorry, but "If I can be helpful..." I'll be there? Is not leadership. Sorry, but suspending your campaign to appear as if you're making a sacrifice by pridefully believing you're doing something heroic and irresponsibly injecting yourself into the very middle of something you know little about and mucking it all up isn't leadership either. Again, leadership is delegating those tasks to those who know what their doing. I do not know one CEO who is involved in everything his company does. When we have systems go down at our job, the CEO is NOT in the datacenter. He is in another state and more than likely unaware. It's up to the managers, the directors, and perhaps the presidents if it's serious enough. Therefore, does the CEO actually have something to contribute in this case? Even if the company is shutdown, it's the responsibility of the CEO to communicate to the shareholders and the public what is going on. He is NOT involved in every little detail. He makes decisions based on the information fed to him from the executive staff. What more could the CEO add? "Get the server back up?" "Work harder?" He has an MBA, not a certification on the systems that are having the problems. Therefore, to me, a leader does not have to know every detail. We learn this in information systems management. You have the day-to-day systems, then you have the executive decision support systems. The day-to-day systems provide daily line-by-line transaction data to the line managers. That data is fed into a larger system that is then condensed and presented to Executives in a general format. They see pie charts and bar graphs. CEO's don't see much more detail. They don't need to. Again, I'll ask, is president Bush involved in the hourly negotiations? Is he not a leader because he's waiting on information from his "line managers?"

letusreason -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 1:33:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jfwink Sorry, but "If I can be helpful..." I'll be there? Is not leadership. He can't help it that he has always been the "Helper" as a senator. THat's just what he has been used to no experience as a leader what so ever. It seems the outer shell of the man who never was is coming off as it reveals the man he really is as the gallup polls draw even and McCain has even taken a lead in the zogby polls.

cow451 -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 1:41:54 PM)
As a McCain supporter, I find his ability to paint himself into a corner distressing. He is over-playing his hand. The debates have been planned for quite some time and aren't just some ordinary campaign stop. He should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

GregandJenny -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 2:17:54 PM)
^^^good point

blue1914 -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 2:32:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TMeeks There has been no more important sentence uttered by the great orator Barack Obama than this one. Obama, "If I can be helpful.." While he tried to cover his failure to do his job as a senator by claiming he did not want to inject presidential poitics, he gave away the store by admitting that he wasn't that confident that he WOULD be that helpful. Yet, this man, who seems to indicate that his presence and influence would NOT be helpful in, perhaps, the most important legislative action of this century thinks it WOULD be helpful to have him run this great country. Frankly, I'll let his presidential helpfulness be defined by his own analysis of his Senatorial helpfulness. We BOTH question it. Wow-now I think I may have seen it all. It's always amazing to me how perspective can cloud one's perception of a statement. Thanks for the laugh, this is really TOO MUCH!!

Pat-rebel_lady -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 2:50:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: StephK He brought the issue to light in what the Dems were doing. The bill was being loaded with so much pork to dem pet projects that the taxpayer for generations would have been forever indebted. The real crisis was the fact that those in charge were getting ready to sell us out completely. I Agree!! quote: ORIGINAL: cow451 As a McCain supporter, I find his ability to paint himself into a corner distressing. He is over-playing his hand. The debates have been planned for quite some time and aren't just some ordinary campaign stop. He should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Do you mean that the 'debates' are more important than what the Dems were doing with this Bill; loading the bill with so much pork to dem pet projects; that the taxpayer for generations would have been forever indebted? I have to wholeheartedly disagree; no presidential [Political] debate is worth that. I don't care if McCain didn't/doesn't open his mouth at the meeting, at least I know this is so important to him that he is there to listen and observe what is happening first hand. Whereby afterwards can speak to other members of Congress about his take and what he feels is right for the Country on this matter. Isn't he still a SENATOR? And shouldn't all SENATORS take a firsthand interest in this? Can't they reschedule the 'debates'?

cow451 -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 3:08:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pat-rebel_lady quote: ORIGINAL: StephK He brought the issue to light in what the Dems were doing. The bill was being loaded with so much pork to dem pet projects that the taxpayer for generations would have been forever indebted. The real crisis was the fact that those in charge were getting ready to sell us out completely. I Agree!! quote: ORIGINAL: cow451 As a McCain supporter, I find his ability to paint himself into a corner distressing. He is over-playing his hand. The debates have been planned for quite some time and aren't just some ordinary campaign stop. He should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time. Do you mean that the 'debates' are more important than what the Dems were doing with this Bill; loading the bill with so much pork to dem pet projects; that the taxpayer for generations would have been forever indebted? I have to wholeheartedly disagree; no presidential [Political] debate is worth that. I don't care if McCain didn't/doesn't open his mouth at the meeting, at least I know this is so important to him that he is there to listen and observe what is happening first hand. Whereby afterwards can speak to other members of Congress about his take and what he feels is right for the Country on this matter. Isn't he still a SENATOR? And shouldn't all SENATORS take a firsthand interest in this? Can't they reschedule the 'debates'? Not to worry. McMaverick is satisfied the task can proceed without him for a couple of hours. Republican John McCain agreed to attend the first presidential debate Friday night even though Congress doesn't have a bailout deal, reversing an earlier decision to delay the event until Washington had taken action to address the crisis.

rcjames -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 3:21:25 PM)
As poorly as Obama did at Saddleback he probably needs the practice or maybe sneak in a teleprompter so he will know what to say. Thanks RC

stamper_ben -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 3:22:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: adelphi_sky quote: ORIGINAL: jfwink Sorry, but "If I can be helpful..." I'll be there? Is not leadership. Sorry, but suspending your campaign to appear as if you're making a sacrifice by pridefully believing you're doing something heroic and irresponsibly injecting yourself into the very middle of something you know little about and mucking it all up isn't leadership either. Again, leadership is delegating those tasks to those who know what their doing. I do not know one CEO who is involved in everything his company does. When we have systems go down at our job, the CEO is NOT in the datacenter. He is in another state and more than likely unaware. It's up to the managers, the directors, and perhaps the presidents if it's serious enough. Therefore, does the CEO actually have something to contribute in this case? Even if the company is shutdown, it's the responsibility of the CEO to communicate to the shareholders and the public what is going on. He is NOT involved in every little detail. He makes decisions based on the information fed to him from the executive staff. What more could the CEO add? "Get the server back up?" "Work harder?" He has an MBA, not a certification on the systems that are having the problems. Therefore, to me, a leader does not have to know every detail. We learn this in information systems management. You have the day-to-day systems, then you have the executive decision support systems. The day-to-day systems provide daily line-by-line transaction data to the line managers. That data is fed into a larger system that is then condensed and presented to Executives in a general format. They see pie charts and bar graphs. CEO's don't see much more detail. They don't need to. Again, I'll ask, is president Bush involved in the hourly negotiations? Is he not a leader because he's waiting on information from his "line managers?" As I see it, you keep missing the point that this is a wee bit more of an issue than "the server going out." If a CEO, and by extension the wanna-be President, does not know at least the basics of what is going on in the "company" and is "unaware" then he or she is unfit to lead, no matter how many flunkies they have scrambling to fix the issue. Again, this is NOT the "datacenter" that is melting down here in the country.

TMeeks -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 3:26:50 PM)
Now wait a minute, there. You just said he did absolutely NOTHING (and so did Frank & Reid last night); but, all day long they've accused him of blowing up the deal. Which is it? The problem is that when you live by lies, as the current democrat leadership does, then you had at least better get your lies in order. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. And... your remarks about Obama knowing when to NOT to speak show that you haven't been following what happened in the meeting. The trouble was that OBAMO DID SPEAK and it was HE who blew up the meeting. It was the woefully ignorant Obama that should have taken your advice. quote: ORIGINAL: adelphi_sky quote: ORIGINAL: TMeeks There has been no more important sentence uttered by the great orator Barack Obama than this one. Obama, "If I can be helpful.." While he tried to cover his failure to do his job as a senator by claiming he did not want to inject presidential poitics, he gave away the store by admitting that he wasn't that confident that he WOULD be that helpful. Yet, this man, who seems to indicate that his presence and influence would NOT be helpful in, perhaps, the most important legislative action of this century thinks it WOULD be helpful to have him run this great country. Frankly, I'll let his presidential helpfulness be defined by his own analysis of his Senatorial helpfulness. We BOTH question it. You chide him for being honest. lol Let's see. McCain rushed in like he was the hero who could save the day and did absolutely nothing. And according to the people working diligently on the bill, he mucked things up. At least Obama is humble enough to realize there are people smarter than him on economical issues. That's why he's not on the finance committee. If he was, then I'd be worried. NO president is an expert on everything. That's why you have people working for you in those areas. the right people are on the job. Obama realizes it. Remember the old saying, "If you have nothing valuable to add, then don't speak."

TMeeks -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 3:30:11 PM)
Then now I know why you like Obama. He doesn't know anything. He certainly fits your view of leadership. But, OOPS!!! It's a Senator's JOB to provide OVERSIGHT. Since Obama is failing at that, I have very little confidence that he can do an even BIGGER job. quote: ORIGINAL: adelphi_sky quote: ORIGINAL: jfwink Sorry, but "If I can be helpful..." I'll be there? Is not leadership. Sorry, but suspending your campaign to appear as if you're making a sacrifice by pridefully believing you're doing something heroic and irresponsibly injecting yourself into the very middle of something you know little about and mucking it all up isn't leadership either. Again, leadership is delegating those tasks to those who know what their doing. I do not know one CEO who is involved in everything his company does. When we have systems go down at our job, the CEO is NOT in the datacenter. He is in another state and more than likely unaware. It's up to the managers, the directors, and perhaps the presidents if it's serious enough. Therefore, does the CEO actually have something to contribute in this case? Even if the company is shutdown, it's the responsibility of the CEO to communicate to the shareholders and the public what is going on. He is NOT involved in every little detail. He makes decisions based on the information fed to him from the executive staff. What more could the CEO add? "Get the server back up?" "Work harder?" He has an MBA, not a certification on the systems that are having the problems. Therefore, to me, a leader does not have to know every detail. We learn this in information systems management. You have the day-to-day systems, then you have the executive decision support systems. The day-to-day systems provide daily line-by-line transaction data to the line managers. That data is fed into a larger system that is then condensed and presented to Executives in a general format. They see pie charts and bar graphs. CEO's don't see much more detail. They don't need to. Again, I'll ask, is president Bush involved in the hourly negotiations? Is he not a leader because he's waiting on information from his "line managers?"

TaoPoohBear -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 3:48:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: StephK He brought the issue to light in what the Dems were doing. The bill was being loaded with so much pork to dem pet projects that the taxpayer for generations would have been forever indebted. The real crisis was the fact that those in charge were getting ready to sell us out completely. Got any proof of that? .......didn't think so.

TaoPoohBear -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/26/2008 3:49:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TMeeks But, OOPS!!! It's a Senator's JOB to provide OVERSIGHT. Oversight of the House Republicans who are objecting to the Bill?! You might want to read the Constitution about that.[:D]

leonfigg3 -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/27/2008 12:10:51 AM)
From what I have heard the last couple of days, this whole thing about the bailout idea has been an effort by the Democrats to embarrass McCain no matter how he responded. The fact that his Deomocratic Party friends know that McCain is a risk taker, and tends to put the country ahead of his political agenda made it that much easier for the Democrats to do what they did. First the create a situation and even request (Harry Reed) McCain to attend a meeting about the bailout, so he could possibly swing Republican votes for passage of the "aggreement". When he does attend, but is unable to swing votes their way, the Democratis begin complaining about him attending the meeting. (Harry Reed being the biggest complainer because he has realized that by requesting McCain's presence at the meeting has in fact publicly acknowledged that he-McCain- is better qualified and able to take charge as President from day one, than his own party's candidate for president). Not only that, but they blame McCain for messing everything up even though they (Harry Reed again) publicly acknowledged that McCain said very little at the meeting and in fact did not speak until the end of the meeting. If McCain did mess everything up how did he manage that at the end of the meeting? The Democrats laid a trap for McCain, but because it did not go according to plan, and did not help Obama as much as they thought it would, the Democrats are all bent out of shape. (Except for Clinton, who seems to be pushing for McCain's election over his own party's canidate). Politics is a wild and crazy game that tends to place the real interests of the country and the American people way down the list of priorities for many engaged in the game.

GregandJenny -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/27/2008 9:59:57 AM)
I believe the democrats are very scared here. Many (if not most) Americans don't want a bail out. So the question really becomes, Do you do what you believe is best for your country or what your constituency would want. As I understand this Bailout bill it only needs 50% +1 to be approved, so my question is why don't the Democrats just pass it? i think it's a simple answer if they pass it without the republicans it's check mate game over. if they pass it with the republicans it very well could lose the election for the republicans, because as Americans see it it's helping big business. Someone has got to explain in laymans terms to the average American how this will affect their day to day paycheck to paycheck life. G

TMeeks -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/28/2008 1:12:47 AM)
Uh... no... oversight of the regulatory agencies that will be affected by the bill. That's why he was there. It was his JOB as a Senator to be there. That's why the other senators were there. YOU might want to read the Constitution about that. [8\|] quote: ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear quote: ORIGINAL: TMeeks But, OOPS!!! It's a Senator's JOB to provide OVERSIGHT. Oversight of the House Republicans who are objecting to the Bill?! You might want to read the Constitution about that.[:D]

TMeeks -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/28/2008 1:17:08 AM)
All you have to do is to enter "Bailout"+"La Raza" or "Bailout"+"ACORN" to find many, many citations of the handout to these groups through the last housing bill and this bailout bill. Here is just one of many. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/26/the-democratic-acorn-bailout/ quote: ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear quote: ORIGINAL: StephK He brought the issue to light in what the Dems were doing. The bill was being loaded with so much pork to dem pet projects that the taxpayer for generations would have been forever indebted. The real crisis was the fact that those in charge were getting ready to sell us out completely. Got any proof of that? .......didn't think so.

rgsoundguy -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/28/2008 1:53:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TMeeks All you have to do is to enter "Bailout"+"La Raza" or "Bailout"+"ACORN" to find many, many citations of the handout to these groups through the last housing bill and this bailout bill. Here is just one of many. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/26/the-democratic-acorn-bailout/ quote: ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear quote: ORIGINAL: StephK He brought the issue to light in what the Dems were doing. The bill was being loaded with so much pork to dem pet projects that the taxpayer for generations would have been forever indebted. The real crisis was the fact that those in charge were getting ready to sell us out completely. Got any proof of that? .......didn't think so. The pork spending is so ridiculous, and to think they are trying to put it through now when by their own words we're in a crisis is so wrong. I wonder who is up for re-election? Can we compile a list of those that are and who was trying to attach pork to the bail out? Hopefully there are enough people with a conscience in those states to vote these crooks out.

StephK -> RE: While McCain works Obama practices. (9/28/2008 10:02:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TMeeks All you have to do is to enter "Bailout"+"La Raza" or "Bailout"+"ACORN" to find many, many citations of the handout to these groups through the last housing bill and this bailout bill. Here is just one of many. http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/26/the-democratic-acorn-bailout/ quote: ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear quote: ORIGINAL: StephK He brought the issue to light in what the Dems were doing. The bill was being loaded with so much pork to dem pet projects that the taxpayer for generations would have been forever indebted. The real crisis was the fact that those in charge were getting ready to sell us out completely. Got any proof of that? .......didn't think so. Here's the proposed bill.... How's that for proof. [8\|] http://publicmarkup.org/bill/dodds-legislative-proposal-treasury-department-aut/1/5/ TRANSFER OF A PERCENTAGE OF PROFITS. 1. DEPOSITS.Not less than 20 percent of any profit realized on the sale of each troubled asset purchased under this Act shall be deposited as provided in paragraph (2). 2. USE OF DEPOSITS.Of the amount referred to in paragraph (1) 1. 65 percent shall be deposited into the Housing Trust Fund established under section 1338 of the Federal Housing Enterprises Regulatory Reform Act of 1992 (12 U.S.C. 4568); and 2. 35 percent shall be deposited into the Capital Magnet Fund established under section 1339 of that Act (12 U.S.C. 4569). 3. REMAINDER DEPOSITED IN THE TREASURY.All amounts remaining after payments under paragraph (1) shall be paid into the General Fund of the Treasury for reduction of the public debt.

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