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RE: Duggars getting reality show - 10/31/2009 9:31:22 AM
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zoebob
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Actually, this summer the shorts were the 2 extremes: to the knees or super short. It was easy to find shorts to the knees.
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RE: Duggars getting reality show - 10/31/2009 9:54:09 AM
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teacher1982
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I don't understand what the big deal is. I respect the Duggars and I say, Let them wear what they want to. They are more modest than 90% of Americans - in or out of church.
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RE: Duggars getting reality show - 10/31/2009 10:26:57 AM
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I don't think anyone is "mocking" them. 
But if you really don't want to draw attention to yourself in a race you don't wear baggy jeans. My kids were runners, I have spent plenty of time and money in the running section of Dick's. You can easily and inexpensively purchase modest and appropriate exercise wear. In fact, I'd be surprised if JB and the boys don't own a few pairs of sweatpants.
To "blame" TLC is just silly. The Duggars are giving them this material...it isn't the fault of the network if they do their job and make entertainment out of it.
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RE: Duggars getting reality show - 10/31/2009 12:49:39 PM
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I am only speaking about the boys, the girls only wear dresses so that is a moot point. But for the guys all young mens shorts and most of the mature mens shorts come to the knee or below them. I can't imagine too many men that would wear regular shorts above their knee. I work in a mainstream retail department store and I never saw shorts come in for the mens department that would show their thighs. I guess I can kind of see their thoughts on women showing their thighs as immodest but I don't understand it for the men.
I agree with stellaluna for people who are so into modesty what they wear actually draws more attention to them than if they just blended with the crowd so to speak. They stick out like a sore thumb in situations where they wear something totally out of the norm.
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RE: Duggars getting reality show - 10/31/2009 11:02:39 PM
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teacher1982
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It also speaks to the idea that modesty is to prevent undue attention being brought to yourself. If you are dressed inappropriately for an activity, pretty much all you've done is bring attention to yourself.
I disagree. Being immodest is showing parts of the body that should not be shown. It isn't drawing attention to oneself by being different like wearing jeans when everyone else is wearing shorts or whatever.
It's definitely not immodest to "stand out" for Jesus. If you look like everyone else - like the worldly people - you aren't a good witness for the Lord. We are to be a separate people according to the Bible. The Bible also says that we will be a "peculiar" people. The Duggars are a wonderful example of how to live a good, devout, yet happy Christian life that has some standards, values and morals.
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RE: Duggars getting reality show - 10/31/2009 11:12:30 PM
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The thing which has me puzzled (besides the Duggar Dad's hairspray obsession) is the reason of the mom/girls wearing skirts because of modesty. Wear skirts and dresses all the time if you please, that's fine, but to claim they are more modest than pants is what I don't get. I'm not talking about pants so tight they're almost skin or shorty-short hotpants, but nice, well-fitting jeans and slacks.
Again it's good if they feel led to wear skirts/dresses, I like occasionally wearing them, too, though I feel between the two garment styles, you can't get more modest than pants. You are more securely covered and also with wearing pants, a woman is probably less at risk to a man trying to look up her clothing, as recently I heard on the news a guy was arrested for a making a device to do so with women wearing skirts.
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RE: Duggars getting reality show - 10/31/2009 11:39:16 PM
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I don't know about the Duggars, and but I'd always heard the dress only position for women as having to do with looking feminine and not wearing men's clothing, more so than modesty. I wore dresses exclusively for a while myself, thinking of the popular phrase, "Who wears the pants in the family?" So it also has to do with submission, which I'm sure the Duggars agree with. But I finally came to the conclusion that I don't defy my husband and there are lots of pants out there that no man would be caught dead in. I disagree with the Duggars, but I have been where they are, so I can't criticize them. I admire them for sticking to their guns, and I wonder how they got their kids to agree with them. Tonight our youth pastor took the kids trick or treating. My kids were ecstatic, and pointed out that they, at age 14 and within days of 17, had NEVER been trick-or-treating before. My 19 year old son did not ask. He simply told me he was taking them to meet the youth pastor and the others who were going. I know that's a different discussion, and a lot of people disagree with me, but that is a standard I have believed as long as I have been a Christian, that I would not participate in Halloween. I thought about saying they couldn't go, and if I had, they wouldn't have, but I didn't. The kids have heard all their lives what I believe about Halloween and have decided that since other people who are Christians, even in our own church, do celebrate it, that means mom MUST be wrong. At least I guess that's what they think, though they'd probably deny it. I often look at the Duggar kids with longing, because they accept their parent's standards about dress, etc, even though of course there are other Christians who do things differently. Or maybe they only agree on camera.
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RE: Duggars getting reality show - 11/1/2009 7:43:21 AM
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It also speaks to the idea that modesty is to prevent undue attention being brought to yourself. If you are dressed inappropriately for an activity, pretty much all you've done is bring attention to yourself.
I disagree. Being immodest is showing parts of the body that should not be shown. It isn't drawing attention to oneself by being different like wearing jeans when everyone else is wearing shorts or whatever.
It's definitely not immodest to "stand out" for Jesus. If you look like everyone else - like the worldly people - you aren't a good witness for the Lord. We are to be a separate people according to the Bible. The Bible also says that we will be a "peculiar" people. The Duggars are a wonderful example of how to live a good, devout, yet happy Christian life that has some standards, values and morals.
I'm referring to comments that the Duggars have made in the past, not my definition of modesty or yours.
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RE: Duggars getting reality show - 11/3/2009 9:42:41 AM
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It's a western concept for men, too.
I don't think anyone (in this thread anyway) really takes issue with how they dress. I think the confusion comes into play when they explain it. The phrase "we don't wear shorts because we don't believe in showing our thighs" really makes no sense when there are a lot of other clothing choices that don't show your thighs--including shorts. They should just say "we believe women should wear dresses and men should wear pants." Period, done, leave it at that, no one cares. I don't believe people should wear skinny pants. Do I have to justify it? Nope.
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RE: Duggars getting reality show - 11/4/2009 3:07:51 AM
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The Duggars may feel they have to justify it because people ask them about it over and over and over.
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RE: Duggars getting reality show - 11/4/2009 3:13:03 PM
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All they have to say is "We believe men should wear pants and women should wear dresses." Period. It's not that complicated.
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Duggars getting reality show - 11/4/2009 9:02:01 PM
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All they have to say is "We believe men should wear pants and women should wear dresses." Period. It's not that complicated.
until someone asks you why.
If you mention a conviction that you have, there will always be someone to question you on it.
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RE: Duggars getting reality show - 11/5/2009 9:51:36 AM
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All they have to say is "We believe men should wear pants and women should wear dresses." Period. It's not that complicated.
until someone asks you why.
If you mention a conviction that you have, there will always be someone to question you on it.
And? You have to have a different answer every time? Who cares? It's when you appear to be wavering on said "conviction" that people zero in on that.
Hopefully the Duggars will not have a series much longer.
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RE: Duggars getting reality show - 11/6/2009 7:52:17 AM
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teacher1982
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It's when you appear to be wavering on said "conviction" that people zero in on that.
Not necessarily, unless they just want to nit-pick. When I'm asked why I do not wear pants, only skirts and dresses, my answer depends on the person, the situation, their attitude when asking, and how much time I have. Sometimes I just say I am more comfortable. Other times I go into complete detail of the scriptures. Most of the time, I reply something in between. None of those times am I being inconsistent or wavering in my belief.
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Duggars getting reality show - 11/6/2009 8:55:44 AM
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It's when you appear to be wavering on said "conviction" that people zero in on that.
Not necessarily, unless they just want to nit-pick. When I'm asked why I do not wear pants, only skirts and dresses, my answer depends on the person, the situation, their attitude when asking, and how much time I have. Sometimes I just say I am more comfortable. Other times I go into complete detail of the scriptures. Most of the time, I reply something in between. None of those times am I being inconsistent or wavering in my belief.
I was about to say something along those lines. There are a variety of reasons that I don't eat pork. Who asks and when and where they ask plays a large role as to how much detail I'm going to give for my answer.
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RE: Duggars getting reality show - 11/6/2009 10:44:22 AM
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Well, I just watched last night's episode. I enjoy seeing the family at home, but again getting a little tired of the "Duggars travel to XYZ". John David seems like a real decent man, and he is growing more comfortable talking on screen, I think. He'd be great to have as a neighbor.
Josiah still grates on me, but I think it's his age. Give him 10 more years and he might grow into a tolerable young fellow. We're seeing more of Joseph, too, and I think he's the 3rd oldest boy? He made a comment about how when he was older he'd have to work really hard, and I was thinking "Honey, take a look to your left at what your sisters are doing." 
Looks like Jordyn was already weaned by the time the show filmed, and she's not 1 year now, but I know from experience how challenging it is to nurse and be pregnant at the same time. I'm sure the interviewer misspoke about her being on straight solids. She'd have to be having some formula along with baby food.
I still think those kids get away with some crazy dangerous stuff, and I am not a bubble wrap parent. But I guess it's ok.. they haven't' lost a kid yet! 
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RE: Duggars getting reality show - 11/6/2009 11:02:21 AM
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Where is there any indication that they're wavering?
Again, they are edited. And to list every reason for each particular conviction every time they're asked would just be cause for more criticism.
I really don't get what the big deal is. 
I don't think there is any indication that they wavering either. To me, it comes across as more like everyone involved realizes that, after the 39th time, we need to find another way to say " We Believe that men should wear pants and women should wear dresses".
However, if the need to continually produce "good TV" results in you pulling Scripture out of context and looking silly to the average viewer...I'm not sure how much longer you can claim to be doing this as a "witness".
I wonder if the Duggars are doing any "market research" to discern how they are being perceived by the typical non-Christian Patriarchal viewer?
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