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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:14:12 PM
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sparkleingsnow
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No, your not the only one Thessa.
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Original: TourchHeart
I tried that. I tried calling, too. Got put on hold and then accidently transfered to Heaven's admissions office.
TourchHeart, here on this earth, we see darkly. The Bible tells us so. One day will see clearly. It tells us that too. Till then we need to trust Him. We may not get the answer we want, but that doesn't mean that we've been put on hold or not answered.
I guess my question is when are you going to stop being mad at God because you don't like some things that have happened, and turn back to Him and tell Him your sorry and you love Him? When will you stop loking at your hurts (we all have them), and open your heart to His love and peace? I'm not trying to be unkind, but it seems to me, that you've been mad at God for a long time. We've talking with you about allowing Him to help you forgive others that have hurt you, and opening up your heart to His peace. It's not for they're wellfare, that we've suggested this. It's for your wellfare. Still praying for you TourchHeart.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:14:17 PM
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DuckTalk
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ORIGINAL: Thessa
God dosent allow anything bad to happen to anyone.
but I do feel that He allows things to happen that (at least to us) seem unfair and hurtful. I know I've been in that situation,
Please forgive me for disagreeing with someone so soon after joining, but with respect I ask, "What is the difference?" You say that God does not allow anything bad to happen to anyone, but He allows things to happen that seem unfair or hurtful.
It is my understanding that everything that happens on this globe is because God allows it to. He is after all, the Creator of all, is He not? He could wipe it all out in one single breath if He were to so choose.
With that in mind, then wouldn't it stand to reason that God does in fact allow bad things to happen, but they are not because of or caused by God.
All evil (bad) is subsequent to the fall of man. There would be no bad, had Adam & Eve chose to remain obedient, but because they were not, man is now born of that very heritage with a sinful nature. The ultimate gift of love to give anyone is what God originally gave to Adam & Eve- freedom. That is precisely what the United States of America bases it's Constituton on - FREEDOM. But just like Adam & Eve, The good ole US of A is altering that Constitution (which is the mother of all oxymorons) & we too are falling into the clutches of evil.
The only deliverance from the suffering that our sin has caused on this earth, is through accepting God's sacrifice for us, His son Jesus Christ and the peace that is promised in the eternal life with Him. "If we are His children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in His sufferings in order that we may also share in His glory. Our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed to us!"
Is that not the general understanding?
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:23:45 PM
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DuckTalk
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I realize that I am a newbie here and often, newbies see things differently because they have not developed a rapport with the regulars & are naive to what is going on. After reading more posts, I am beginning to see a pattern that points to your longtime suffering. Whether self-wrought or not, it is still what it is - suffering.
With that said, I will ask you Torchheart......what is it that you think you need that will make your life better?
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:23:55 PM
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TorchHeart
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ORIGINAL: sparkleingsnow
No, your not the only one Thessa.
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Original: TourchHeart
I tried that. I tried calling, too. Got put on hold and then accidently transfered to Heaven's admissions office.
TourchHeart, here on this earth, we see darkly. The Bible tells us so. One day will see clearly. It tells us that too. Till then we need to trust Him. We may not get the answer we want, but that doesn't mean that we've been put on hold or not answered.
I guess my question is when are you going to stop being mad at God because you don't like some things that have happened, and turn back to Him and tell Him your sorry and you love Him? When will you stop loking at your hurts (we all have them), and open your heart to His love and peace? I'm not trying to be unkind, but it seems to me, that you've been mad at God for a long time. We've talking with you about allowing Him to help you forgive others that have hurt you, and opening up your heart to His peace. It's not for they're wellfare, that we've suggested this. It's for your wellfare. Still praying for you TourchHeart.
When He's ready to say He's sorry, I am too.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:25:45 PM
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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart
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ORIGINAL: sparkleingsnow
No, your not the only one Thessa.
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Original: TourchHeart
I tried that. I tried calling, too. Got put on hold and then accidently transfered to Heaven's admissions office.
TourchHeart, here on this earth, we see darkly. The Bible tells us so. One day will see clearly. It tells us that too. Till then we need to trust Him. We may not get the answer we want, but that doesn't mean that we've been put on hold or not answered.
I guess my question is when are you going to stop being mad at God because you don't like some things that have happened, and turn back to Him and tell Him your sorry and you love Him? When will you stop loking at your hurts (we all have them), and open your heart to His love and peace? I'm not trying to be unkind, but it seems to me, that you've been mad at God for a long time. We've talking with you about allowing Him to help you forgive others that have hurt you, and opening up your heart to His peace. It's not for they're wellfare, that we've suggested this. It's for your wellfare. Still praying for you TourchHeart.
When He's ready to say He's sorry, I am too.
PLEASE stop thinking that way. I see here that many have tried to help you. Including me. Just stop blaming God because frankly it makes alot of Christians very disturbed to hear such things.
You are walking and talking and typing because God gave you the gift of life. You should be thankful for what you have, instead of being mad at God all the time for what you dont.
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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:28:03 PM
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DuckTalk
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ORIGINAL: Thessa
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And Norak i didnt make that statement. TorchHeart did.
My sincerest apologies. I read it wrong. I was reading the body, but neglected the full context. I am so sorry.
So, that is for you TorchHeart.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:29:06 PM
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Ive got to stay off this thread or else im just gonna end up leaving this board altogether. It just makes me sooooo irritated to think that anyone would ever think of getting revenge on God. It makes me ill.
God Bless whoever else who is thinking this way. FIND a way that is pleasing to God, because without it - you will be lost forever.
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John 3:16
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:30:11 PM
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TorchHeart
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quote:
ORIGINAL: sparkleingsnow
No, your not the only one Thessa.
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Original: TourchHeart
I tried that. I tried calling, too. Got put on hold and then accidently transfered to Heaven's admissions office.
TourchHeart, here on this earth, we see darkly. The Bible tells us so. One day will see clearly. It tells us that too. Till then we need to trust Him. We may not get the answer we want, but that doesn't mean that we've been put on hold or not answered.
I guess my question is when are you going to stop being mad at God because you don't like some things that have happened, and turn back to Him and tell Him your sorry and you love Him? When will you stop loking at your hurts (we all have them), and open your heart to His love and peace? I'm not trying to be unkind, but it seems to me, that you've been mad at God for a long time. We've talking with you about allowing Him to help you forgive others that have hurt you, and opening up your heart to His peace. It's not for they're wellfare, that we've suggested this. It's for your wellfare. Still praying for you TourchHeart.
You DO realize that I was joking back and forth with Laura in the post you quoted, do you not? There were a couple posts where this went back and forth.
< Message edited by TorchHeart -- 9/19/2008 6:02:33 PM >
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:31:25 PM
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DuckTalk
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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart
When He's ready to say He's sorry, I am too.
He said He was sorry over two thousand years ago.....HOW MUCH MORE CAN HE GIVE?
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:33:21 PM
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sparkleingsnow
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quote:
Original: doinkdom
find them heartbreaking really. When one is not in the midst of conflict or suffering, it is easy to trust God and to give people bible verse bandaids relaying the same message.
But when your spouse dies unexpectedly or a child is terminally ill or some other tragedy...a flippant "Trust God" is hard to swallow.
We, as the body should be caring for one another and lifting one another up so that we share one another burdens.
At least, that's how I see it
I agree doinkdom, we are to help each other and lift each other up. But I think there comes a time when, in as loving a way as possible, we need to say something more bluntly than we might normally, so the other person can hear it.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is
within me, bless his holy name.
Psalm 103:1
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:34:30 PM
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DuckTalk
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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart
God dosent allow anything bad to happen to anyone.
but I do feel that He allows things to happen that (at least to us) seem unfair and hurtful. I know I've been in that situation,
SOoooooooooooooooooooooo, Please forgive me for disagreeing with someone so soon after joining, but with respect I ask, "What is the difference?" You say that God does not allow anything bad to happen to anyone, but He allows things to happen that seem unfair or hurtful.
It is my understanding that everything that happens on this globe is because God allows it to. He is after all, the Creator of all, is He not? He could wipe it all out in one single breath if He were to so choose.
With that in mind, then wouldn't it stand to reason that God does in fact allow bad things to happen, but they are not because of or caused by God.
All evil (bad) is subsequent to the fall of man. There would be no bad, had Adam & Eve chose to remain obedient, but because they were not, man is now born of that very heritage with a sinful nature. The ultimate gift of love to give anyone is what God originally gave to Adam & Eve- freedom. That is precisely what the United States of America bases it's Constituton on - FREEDOM. But just like Adam & Eve, The good ole US of A is altering that Constitution (which is the mother of all oxymorons) & we too are falling into the clutches of evil.
The only deliverance from the suffering that our sin has caused on this earth, is through accepting God's sacrifice for us, His son Jesus Christ and the peace that is promised in the eternal life with Him. "If we are His children, then we are heirs--heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in His sufferings in order that we may also share in His glory. Our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed to us!"
Is that not the general understanding?
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:42:16 PM
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God does allow what we PERCEIVE as bad to happen to us all the time.
WE do not have HIS understanding. WE do not understand. SIN is another factor. Hey....I'm just an 'ole pot anyway.........
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 5:42:29 PM
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TorchHeart
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No you said that i DONT have the skills to minister them.
If that's what you think, then you misunderstood me, COMPLETELY!
I would discuss this with you here, if you so desire. However, if you would sooner continue this conversation in PM's, I would be more than happy to keep it out of the public forum.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 6:05:59 PM
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sparkleingsnow
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quote:
Original: TorchHeart
When He's ready to say He's sorry, I am too.
Wrong answer. 
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Original: TorchHeart
You DO realize that I was joking back and forth with Laura about this, do you not? There were a couple posts where this went back and forth.
Yes, I know. But I also know what you've said on several of your threads about being mad at God, ect. I just want the best for you TorchHeart. We have to turn our hearts fully back to Him, let Him help us truely forgive others that have hurt us. We can't feel His peace till we do. And boy what peace! True joy. I want this for you. So I'm trying to let you see that you have a choice. 1. hold onto those hurts and not forgive, remaining angery and unhappy, or 2. Keep asking Him to help you forgive, till you know you have been able to and turn your heart back to Him where you will find true peace, happyness, and joy.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is
within me, bless his holy name.
Psalm 103:1
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 6:07:13 PM
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Hey....I'm just an 'ole pot anyway.........
That's okay Solarflare,
if you are just an ole pot, then I am certainly a "cracked pot!" 
but God still finds use for us, eh?
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 6:33:15 PM
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TorchHeart
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Yes, I know. But I also know what you've said on several of your threads about being mad at God, ect. I just want the best for you TorchHeart. We have to turn our hearts fully back to Him, let Him help us truely forgive others that have hurt us. We can't feel His peace till we do. And boy what peace! True joy. I want this for you. So I'm trying to let you see that you have a choice. 1. hold onto those hurts and not forgive, remaining angery and unhappy, or 2. Keep asking Him to help you forgive, till you know you have been able to and turn your heart back to Him where you will find true peace, happyness, and joy.
Thank you. I know my options, but I appreciate you repeating them.
My person anger with God over what has been allowed to transpire in my life, right now, is NOT the subject nor the source of inspiration for this thread (as has been incorrectly indicated). Could we please move on?
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 6:59:13 PM
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 7:17:24 PM
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Thanks TorchHeart, and feel free to PM me anytime.
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Bless the Lord, O my soul: and all that is
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/19/2008 7:34:10 PM
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