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Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 2:25:51 PM
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TorchHeart
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Is it possible to get revenge on God for things that have happened or that He's done to you in your life?
I'm not asking why would one want to, so please don't go down that road. This was the subject of an online discussion I viewed, and I found the idea to be interesting.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 2:38:51 PM
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No.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 2:42:08 PM
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I'd say no as well.
Since God is all powerful and sovereign, you cannot do anything "against" Him without His OK.
And anything you do against God is hurting yourself more than it's hurting God. It's like an ant trying to get revenge against a human by ramming itself against the human's shoe - much more detrimental to the ant than to the human.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 2:59:07 PM
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TorchHeart
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And anything you do against God is hurting yourself more than it's hurting God. It's like an ant trying to get revenge against a human by ramming itself against the human's shoe - much more detrimental to the ant than to the human.
I think this goes along with what was going to be my next point, which was the idea that the only way you could really hurt God would be to turn away from Him and thus deny Him your love, which He desires from all of us. However, the end result of that is more painful for us than to Him.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 3:01:15 PM
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Original: ta_mosquito
I'd say no as well.
Since God is all powerful and sovereign, you cannot do anything "against" Him without His OK.
And anything you do against God is hurting yourself more than it's hurting God. It's like an ant trying to get revenge against a human by ramming itself against the human's shoe - much more detrimental to the ant than to the human.
Well said.
Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
We can grieve the Holy Spirit, but we're told not too. And why would we want to? Why would we return love with hate? And as ta_mosquito pointed out, it would much more harm to us.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 3:03:30 PM
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Original: TorchHeart
I think this goes along with what was going to be my next point, which was the idea that the only way you could really hurt God would be to turn away from Him and thus deny Him your love, which He desires from all of us. However, the end result of that is more painful for us than to Him.
Sorry, i didn't see this post before I posted. Anyway well put TorchHeart.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 3:40:17 PM
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God is not responsible for the horrible things in our lives. It is not the will of God to bind us or cause us dismay. The word teaches us that God loves and protects us all and for a person to exact revenge there must first be an offense. God is a just and loving God and seeks not to destroy us, but to save us. It is not possible to seek revenge against God because God is never the cause of problems in our lives. The lack of God in our life is a very strong source for any problems we face. I might also add that we do not judge God he judges us.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 4:51:18 PM
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I think anyone that even mulls that question is asking for trouble.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 5:50:30 PM
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People try to use excuses to 'punish God' and always wind up wallowing in their own sympathy and bitterness. Vengeance(God's justice)is reserved for the unrepentant as a natural outgrowth of his arrogance .
Romans 12:18-"If possible, so far as it depends on you, 19 one can't take your own vengeance for your vengeance can’t be satisfied but leave that for the wrath of God for He says, "[My]justice is sure and quick when it comes for the risk is their own." 20 By showing mercy, all men will know where your sacrifice lies 21 and make a clear distinction where your obedience rests."
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 6:04:42 PM
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ORIGINAL: HellHathNoFuryAtAll
God is not responsible for the horrible things in our lives. It is not the will of God to bind us or cause us dismay. The word teaches us that God loves and protects us all and for a person to exact revenge there must first be an offense........
For the love of God then please answer, WHY God would make a deal with Satan to allow Satan to inflict so much pain and suffering on a faithful servant like Job. Sure, God did not directly hurt Job, but He sure did indirectly.
To build character in Job?
To make a point to Job's three friends?
To prove his servant Job's faithfulness to Satan?
Does God really need to prove anything to Satan?
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 9:15:36 PM
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Trials and torment are different. When God tries our faith it is not meant to be torture. God never burdens us with more than we can handle.
God will give us rest if we have faith. When we are being tormented it is an attack from Satan. God "does" allow this but he also gives us release from it. We have the power to overcome Satan ONLY because He has already been defeated. Revenge against God would only result in you being angry at yourself for not asking for God's help. It is written that all we need do is ask. As for the Job ordeal, I can't answer that but a great number of righteous men suffered in the OT...for instance: David was displeased with God and even cried out asking Him why his enemies were upon Him. Still, he stayed the course and carried out God's will. It is written that we should rejoice in all things and vengengance is not ours but Gods. God doesn't attack, He instructs.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 10:02:00 PM
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ORIGINAL: HellHathNoFuryAtAll
God is not responsible for the horrible things in our lives. It is not the will of God to bind us or cause us dismay. The word teaches us that God loves and protects us all and for a person to exact revenge there must first be an offense........
For the love of God then please answer, WHY God would make a deal with Satan to allow Satan to inflict so much pain and suffering on a faithful servant like Job. Sure, God did not directly hurt Job, but He sure did indirectly.
To build character in Job?
To make a point to Job's three friends?
To prove his servant Job's faithfulness to Satan?
Does God really need to prove anything to Satan?
"For the love of God, then...". Wow! How desparate for an answer you are! What about just to answer your question as a new person to this forum? Here's my explanation of what happened there. I don't know if I can answer your questions that follow.
Why would God make a deal with Satan to make such a mess of Job's life? Ok, I see. You offer four possible answers to your own question. I choose none of those.
Someone else may know more about the timing of things in Biblical history to knnow why this happened around the time it did. Job is a righteous man- the most righteous in his part of the world. He's wealthy, he's got decendants, life is awesome. And he knows it's all a blessing from God. And God is first in his life. Satan says yeah, right, God. He's only that way because he's so well off, because he's in great health, etc. God knows this not to be the case, and what Christian believers through the ages have been left with is an awesome story about how Job loses just about everything, yet keeps his faith, even with three of his best friends telling him to change his ways, that he's blown it completely. It's a story about living a godly life no matter what. Have you read the entire book? Even the ending, where Job is even better off than before in every way? That's what strikes me most about Job, is that he didn't get himself all wrapped up in his belongings and how well he was doing- that he knew it all was a God thing. It is a story of ultimate testimony to God's goodness, that no matter what, He's still there and we are still His.
I hope this helps you relax and enjoy your time with the community and not get so excitable.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 10:08:27 PM
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get revenge on God for things that have happened or that He's done to you
Even if I could, I can't get revenge if I don't know what He has done to me. I guess I could make up something.
The only thing I am sure that He has done is sacrificed His only son. Do I want revenge for that?
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 10:10:26 PM
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ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito
I'd say no as well.
Since God is all powerful and sovereign, you cannot do anything "against" Him without His OK.
And anything you do against God is hurting yourself more than it's hurting God. It's like an ant trying to get revenge against a human by ramming itself against the human's shoe - much more detrimental to the ant than to the human.
I liked your anology about the ant thats a great point.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 10:20:21 PM
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I just thought of this verse and thought it was appropriate here.
Romans 12:19 Webster Bible
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place to wrath: for it is written, Vengence is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/17/2008 10:28:41 PM
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ORIGINAL: ta_mosquito
And anything you do against God is hurting yourself more than it's hurting God. It's like an ant trying to get revenge against a human by ramming itself against the human's shoe - much more detrimental to the ant than to the human.
Now this is well worth repeating, lol  this is just awesome
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/18/2008 9:26:30 AM
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... Wow! How desparate for an answer you are!
Yes, definitely desperate for answers.
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What about just to answer your question as a new person to this forum?
My apologies for my very first post being so desperate, but I have contemplated joining for some time now, as I have noticed that most people posting on this site seem fairly mature, relatively wise and definitely desiring to please God. This is my goal, also.
Something very traumatic happened to someone close to me immediately after my joining the board and when I say "immediately", I mean a mere 6 minutes after joining, I received word. It has devastated this man's life and it was not self-wrought. As amatter of fact, it is a case of setting him up (framing him). I realize that you do not know me or if I am an individual of integrity or not, but I assure you that I am. This set-up is beyond a shadow of a doubt and it may have horrible consequences to the man.
I read the entire book of Job last week and this is where my mind went....."Why would God let Satan torture His most righteous and faithful servant? It simply seems that He wants us to suffer or He needs proof in this manner of our love for Him".
Revenge is a profane word to me. That is not where I am going with this. It was just an appropriate place to insert my heartfelt thoughts at the moment.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/18/2008 10:00:09 AM
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Welcome to the forums, norak.
As you probably already know, we don't always know why. His word tells us that now we see darkly, that we can't understand why He allows some things to happen. But we stand in faith, trusting Him.
Praying for your friend and you. God bless.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/18/2008 10:24:57 AM
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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart
Is it possible to get revenge on God for things that have happened or that He's done to you in your life?
I'm not asking why would one want to, so please don't go down that road. This was the subject of an online discussion I viewed, and I found the idea to be interesting.
Nope. That is like an ant trying to harm a comet in deep space.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/18/2008 11:41:34 AM
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Any mere mortal who desires to take revenge on God, has a serious issue of pride which is addressed thusly in the Book of Proverbs...just in case you don't know how God feels about that sin:
Pr 11:2 - "When pride comes, then comes shame; But with the humble is wisdom."
Pr 13:10 - "By pride comes nothing but strife, But with the well-advised is wisdom."
Pr 14:3 - "In the mouth of a fool is a rod of pride, But the lips of the wise will preserve them."
Pr 16:18 - "Pride goes before destruction, And a haughty spirit before a fall. "
Pr 21:24 - "A proud and haughty man--"Scoffer" is his name; He acts with arrogant pride."
Pr 29:23 - "A man's pride will bring him low, But the humble in spirit will retain honor."
Pr 6 - "16 These six things the Lord hates, Yes, seven are an abomination to Him: 17 A proud look, A lying tongue, Hands that shed innocent blood, 18 A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that are swift in running to evil, 19 A false witness who speaks lies, And one who sows discord among brethren."
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/18/2008 2:28:13 PM
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Well God has never done anything in my life that was not for my benefit, so why in the world would I want revenge for; for God loving me, for God giving His Son for me????
Let me stand back so when that big Gold Thumb comes down through the ceiling and squashes those who would want revenge; that I will not get splattered.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/18/2008 2:36:12 PM
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God glorifies Himself.
I glorify God in all that I do.
Revenge  uh...no
Mankind doesn't want to be responsible in such a manner that we blame everything on something or someone...God is sometimes a convenient scapegoat for many.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/18/2008 3:34:20 PM
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I would say the answer is no, but the sad thing is that people do try to get back at God. In the end though, they only hurt themselves.
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RE: Revenge on God? - 9/18/2008 4:18:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: TorchHeart
Is it possible to get revenge on God for things that have happened or that He's done to you in your life?
I'm not asking why would one want to, so please don't go down that road. This was the subject of an online discussion I viewed, and I found the idea to be interesting.
Nope. That is like an ant trying to harm a comet in deep space.
I have been drawing a picture of this for like the past hour. It is a hilarious image.
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