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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 10:33:22 PM
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She had quite a few. While I think there were some bad aspects to her, she did do a lot of good for various unpopular aspects of the world ~ like those with AIDS, abused women etc. And while Harry may not always do the right thing, he seems to have picked some of them up.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/20/2008 10:51:13 PM
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Dear Kat D:
It's not an intimate group of friends, it's about three dozen. I do not have a penthouse apartment, I have a townhouse. It's not Friday, it's Saturday evening. We do not drink Cristal (what do you think I am, a rapper?), it's a nice sparkling prosecco from the Veneto; anyone can enjoy it for under $30 a bottle. I will admit that most of our bellies, including mine, are at least well toned (mine is what they call "ripped") from one to three hours of gym, sports, and pilates a day. I would never serve a sauce bearaise with filet mignon, though, and tonight we had Thai. I don't have a "personal chef," that's my parents. I do have a cook, though, and he's really good. And we are, in fact, getting ready to head to a "seedier part of town" in a few minutes. It's almost 11 pm and we're headed for the East Village. I'll pass out tens in your name, even though I wouldn't be caught dead in Gucci loafers (sort of stuck in the '80's, don't you think?), and I certainly don't wear Manalo Blahnic's, since he designs for women.
Some people watch TV and complain about the shows while secretly envying the lifestyle. For some of us, though, this isn't a "lifestyle," it's our life. Get over yourself.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 1:18:51 AM
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I can't believe that you all are believing ekserekseez. He's yanking your chain and you let him.
We don't, Maggie. We don't.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 1:24:23 AM
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I can't believe that you all are believing ekserekseez. He's yanking your chain and you let him.
As boorish and vainglorious as he appears, it is almost certainly a sham.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 1:46:36 AM
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Actually if you read his other threads(parenting-to discuss his nephew, and he's been in singles some) I don't think he is faking..he inherited a lot of money, and in other threads admitted he was lazy, plus in some of the other threads he said he did not claim to be a christian and admitted he was not one..we shouldn't really be surprised when a non christian acts like a non christian...it's hard for most of us ordinary folks to imagine, but some people are that wealthy......
including my aunt....although she is not snooty at all..although not a christian, she is down to earth, will help anyone..in fact she's been a little too taken advantage of at times...flies coach...I could go on (and yes she really is that wealthy..she owned a 4 story house (well she called it a building)..in Manhattan for a while..although not a christian, she never forgot where she came from(course, she earned her wealth-yes, truly earned..it's not from a husband--, ekseerkes inherited his.maybe .that's part of the difference)..and she will be friends with anyone...so she has friends everywhere...you would never know she was rich if you saw her walking down the street..
oh, yeah, topic....she WOULD shake the dirty homeless person's hand.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 2:00:31 AM
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I guess I just never believed him from his first thread, explaining the above. It's just too fakey.
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Well, I got ready for bed, got my bedtime snack together, made my tea, and thought I had better come back and say this: I did not say the person is a liar. Not once did I say that. I said that I don't believe him. Okay? And since the two months he has been here, he has just had a lot of time going from thread to thread, playing what APPEARS to me to be games, going from one Faith Community site to another, and it's all about money. It SEEMS to be a fixation with him.
So he's having fun! Let him play!
The thing is that I love to pull pranks too, but I fall easily for some other pranks. I am also very gullible. Way it is. Just not this time.
< Message edited by Covaan_Meshuga -- 9/21/2008 3:06:17 AM >
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 9:08:27 AM
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Hmmm, do Canucks say "y'all" though?
Only if we've been associating with Americans too much. 
I think if I used that term with a group of street people, they'd stare at me as if I came from another planet (or country).
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 10:12:56 AM
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It amuses me to have people discuss my existence. If there is a god, which I assume most you you believe to be true, maybe he listens to these discussions with amusement too.
Yes, rich people exist. And yes, some of us have too much time on our hands and like to do things like read and post in your forums. I have not ever said anything untrue about myself or my family, however. I don't think I'm any more obsessed with money than many people who post here!
I like these forums because the conversations are often fascinating, sometimes amusing, there are often interesting political debates, and I've actually gotten helpful advice a couple of times.
I don't know anyone who looks, acts, or lives like the characters on "Roseanne." That doesn't mean that I don't believe blue collar people exist.
Anyway, back to this thread's topic: last night I asked a homeless guy if he'd rather have a hug or a ten. He looked at me like I was crazy, and then asked for, no, demanded, the money. I asked him if he was going to spend it on alcohol. He said yes, so I gave him twenty for being honest. Then I asked him if he felt that he was "nothing" or "nobody" because he lived on the street. He told me, in colorful language that would get me booted from here if I wrote it word-for-word, that he was a much more important person than I am. He's probably right.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 11:08:55 AM
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Anyway, back to this thread's topic: last night I asked a homeless guy if he'd rather have a hug or a ten. He looked at me like I was crazy
Anyone would. I have no idea why you thought that saying that would be a good idea.
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I asked him if he was going to spend it on alcohol. He said yes, so I gave him twenty for being honest.
If he died last night, that makes you responsible for providing the means.
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Then I asked him if he felt that he was "nothing" or "nobody" because he lived on the street. He told me, in colorful language that would get me booted from here if I wrote it word-for-word, that he was a much more important person than I am.
Of course he would say that.
You know, I so hope that all of this is fabricated. I really really do. Otherwise it means you're doing untold damage, and would do better just to keep away from these vulnerable people.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 11:14:26 AM
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Is it wrong to give a dirty homeless person some money out of charity and then refuse to shake their hand when they offer to thank you? ....I have been in these instances before where I wanted to give money to help someone, but then when they would extend their dirty disgusting looking hand toward me to thank me, I would just say no problem and walk off. ....Not shaking their hand that is....out of fear of germs or disease, etc. ....I didn't come off rude, but just tried to play it off as if I didn't see them offer the shake and pretended to need to get going....
I haven't read the thread, but my take on this is that I would shake the person's hand. It is demeaning (at least in my neck of the woods) for someone to refuse a person's extended hand. That's how I see it, but maybe others on this thread have good arguments for not shaking the person's hand. I doubt it, but it will be interesting to read.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 12:19:39 PM
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Well, Manda taught me the "stiff-armed hand shake," but I keep forgetting to use it. I am sure that the next time I am in the right situation for it, I will remember it strongly!
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 12:21:41 PM
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ekserekseez, in all seriousness, you really need a job. You need to get a full-time job and learn how to deal with people. Okay?
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 12:45:24 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga:
You're probably right; my dad tells me that all the time, although he's certainly never worked a day in his life.
I actually deal with people fairly well. And my family and I support soup kitchens, private schools, and other charities, so I'm not entirely evil.
As for how I talk to street people, I treat them the same as I treat anyone else. I don't assume that just because they're living low, it means that they're incapable of making decisions for themselves. I guess that's because I'm a libertarian who believes in personal autonomy.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 12:50:33 PM
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As for how I talk to street people, I treat them the same as I treat anyone else.
So, when you're paying for groceries in a supermarket, or for your meal at a restaurant, or your dental care etc etc, do you throw your money or credit card at the person?
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 12:54:26 PM
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Nearly every place I shop, I swipe a card myself. I eat at reputable restaurants where I am fairly certain that the staff use proper sanitary measures. And if someone who looks relatively clean asks me for money on the street, I'll hand it to them and wash my hands afterward with sanitizer, as millions of other people do. As I said before, I toss money on the ground when it's someone who is visibly dirty.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 1:06:25 PM
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No, you really need a JOB! Seriously. I would suggest that you start out in a McDonald's or Pizza Hut, work there for about six months, then move on to some other work place. Another good place for you would be to work in a soup kitchen, on a regular schedule, for nothing. You really need a job.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 1:16:12 PM
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No, you really need a JOB! Seriously. I would suggest that you start out in a McDonald's or Pizza Hut, work there for about six months, then move on to some other work place. Another good place for you would be to work in a soup kitchen, on a regular schedule, for nothing. You really need a job.
I have to agree with Covaan. Last night I brushed you off as a troll. If you are serious as you claim you've lived a very sheltered life. You need to be exposed to life outside the culture of the wealthy.
I think you've helped me understand why so many (elite) wealthy folks are democrats. It's a means of absolving guilt over having so much more than others and paying others to do the work to cleanse personal guilt and using other people's money to accomplish the matter.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 2:25:45 PM
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if someone who looks relatively clean asks me for money on the street, I'll hand it to them and wash my hands afterward with sanitizer, as millions of other people do. As I said before, I toss money on the ground when it's someone who is visibly dirty.
If you can clean your hands afterwords, why not hand money to anyone, not just those who "appear" clean?
Throwing money on the ground at someone can, in my opinion, be more destructive than giving them nothing. It tells them "Not only do I pity you, I also find you too filthy to be treated like a human being."
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 2:53:53 PM
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I actually deal with people fairly well. And my family and I support soup kitchens, private schools, and other charities, so I'm not entirely evil. The point being it's your family who do the supporting ~ and I'll be betting that's by donations and charity balls etc, not by rolling your hands up and helping out in the kitchens! And while you may not be entirely evil, your 'good works' aren't going to be getting you a place in heaven.
I'm not really into royalty, but as has been mentioned earlier, Prince William and Prince Harry have both gone to places I'm sure you wouldn't go to if they were the last place on earth ~ and they've shaken hands, touched and hugged people who have diseases. Maybe you should take a leave out of their books?
I agree with others. You need to get a job. Preferably a voluntary job filling some fairly menial position so you can better understand how people less fortunate than you live.
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last night I asked a homeless guy if he'd rather have a hug or a ten Why did you make him the offer. That's nothing to do with the thread. The thread is about not shaking a dirty homeless person's hand.
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 4:52:30 PM
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I eat at reputable restaurants where I am fairly certain that the staff use proper sanitary measures.
Another tidbit for you to swallow. As a young man I worked in an upscale restaurant. We used to take the tea pots left on the table and recycle the tea into the pot so we wouldn't have to constantly brew a fresh pot.
And, in the kitchen I saw many other things going on that would make you eat your bottle of anti-bacterial soap.
One more thing. When those homeless guys you throw money to decide to get sober and find work, one of the easiest places to get hired is in the food service industry. Ever think one of them might remember you?
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RE: Not Shaking A Dirty Homeless Person's Hand? - 9/21/2008 4:58:18 PM
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Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't currency about one of the nastiest things to handle?
That knowledge might make shaking someone's dirty hand a little easier.
Frankly, I'd rather shake someone's dirty hand than to eat food I'm pretty sure is not safe. I've done it anyway in certain situations because I trusted the Lord to protect me, and He did.
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