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Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/11/2008 2:02:31 PM
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Fledgling
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When I read Leviticus 19:19 it says to me that we should not interbreed different strains of plants and animals. This is widley practiced in our culture and most of the food we eat has been genetically manipulated.
Interestingly.. the common wheat used to make alot of baked goods is genetically manipulated. It also is one of the causes of Autism that is prevalent and increasing in the society. I use Spelt wheat because it has not been genetically manipulated.. but most foods in modern society are.
Should we avoid foods that are genetically manipulated by interbreeding?
19." 'Keep my decrees. " 'Do not mate different kinds of animals. " 'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. " 'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/11/2008 2:33:40 PM
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You are showing great promise as you ask these questions. Eating food can be seen as inefficient and unnecessary especially since we have pills and potions that provide "the same" nutrients. However, people still eat food because man was not made for pills and potions. So, it is with the Scriptures. It is easy to say, "I know what that is saying." or "I can recieve this blessing in another way?." But, the true enjoyment of Ha Torah is in the living.
Now regarding this point, Adonai does not always give us "the" reason for His commands. A reason for this not mixing is that Adonai encourages fruitful life and cross breeding and gene splicing leads to barren seed. So, to peomote life Adonai commands us to avoid interbreeding. The not mixing of cloth is reminicent of Yeshua's parable about old and new cloth resulting in a weaker garment. Both fo these could be reminders of the principle of being fruitful and multiplying.
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/11/2008 3:02:15 PM
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The laws of separation were given to distinguish Israel from the Gentiles. Now that the distinction has been abolished, so have the laws. Concerning food, He specifically says,
Acts 10:15b "What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy."
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/11/2008 3:02:31 PM
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ORIGINAL: Fledgling
When I read Leviticus 19:19 it says to me that we should not interbreed different strains of plants and animals. This is widley practiced in our culture and most of the food we eat has been genetically manipulated.
Interestingly.. the common wheat used to make alot of baked goods is genetically manipulated. It also is one of the causes of Autism that is prevalent and increasing in the society. I use Spelt wheat because it has not been genetically manipulated.. but most foods in modern society are.
Should we avoid foods that are genetically manipulated by interbreeding?
19." 'Keep my decrees. " 'Do not mate different kinds of animals. " 'Do not plant your field with two kinds of seed. " 'Do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material.
It really shouldn't matter. Christians are under the New Covenant. The dietary restrictions of the Old Covenant were abrogated when the New Covenant was instituted.
Romans 14: 14 & 17
Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this--not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.
14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.
16 Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil;
17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/11/2008 3:47:07 PM
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Fledging, do not allow anyone here on CW or nobody, tell you something is "done away with" because they see things otherwise. Continue to read the word of God for yourself and do what it tells you to do. Invest in a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, grab some history books and plunge into the scriptures! Keep in mind that their are 2 Laws that were widely in operation in those times, one the Word of God and the other the Oral Law, which Messiah and Paul refuted a lot.
Don't allow the enemy to steal the Word of God from your heart. The Yah showed you that verse and it sparked your curiousity enough that you researched possible Autism causes or it jogged something that you researched before when you came across that scripture. I thank God you pointed this out because I want to investigate this further. Thank you, Berean!!
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/11/2008 3:54:56 PM
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/11/2008 3:59:15 PM
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Romans 14: 14 & 17
Therefore let us not judge one another anymore, but rather determine this--not to put an obstacle or a stumbling block in a brother's way.
14 I know and am convinced in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but to him who thinks anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 For if because of food your brother is hurt, you are no longer walking according to love Do not destroy with your food him for whom Christ died.
16 Therefore do not let what is for you a good thing be spoken of as evil;
17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
I am encourgaing the poster to study the Scriptures and live as Fledgling believes the Scriptures teach in consultation with others in Fledgling's community. Is this placing a stumbling block? Who is it that is violating these instructions in this thread?
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/11/2008 5:16:32 PM
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Is this placing a stumbling block? Who is it that is violating these instructions in this thread?
Let the Apostle Paul himself answer you.
Galatians 3:1-5
Colossians 2:16-23
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/11/2008 5:35:21 PM
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The laws of separation were given to distinguish Israel from the Gentiles. Now that the distinction has been abolished, so have the laws. Concerning food, He specifically says,
Acts 10:15b "What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy."
Emphasis mine
"Do not call anything impure that God has made clean." NIV
I'm not sure which translation you used, but "no longer" is not even in the KJV with Strong's notations. This is to the point though. Adonai was telling Peter that the distiction was between the people of Adonai and those who are not of Adonai. It has never been a distinction between those physically born of Israel and those who are not physically born of Israel.
Now, one could draw the idea of Adonai's people being a peculiar people from any of the commands. However, whether this particular passage in Leviticus is refering to that specifically is, in my opinion, rabbinics on your part.
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/11/2008 5:38:40 PM
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I'm not sure which translation you used, but "no longer" is not even in the KJV with Strong's notations...
The KJV hasn't been the gold standard of translations (and Strong's by extension) for many a year.
I'm just saying...
(Check out the NASB)
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/11/2008 7:08:34 PM
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ORIGINAL: Bluethread
I'm not sure which translation you used, but "no longer" is not even in the KJV with Strong's notations...
The KJV hasn't been the gold standard of translations (and Strong's by extension) for many a year.
I'm just saying...
(Check out the NASB)
We could look at the greek. but it appears that phrase is not in most translations. Even if it is in the greek, I don't think this is proof that Adonai approved of the rabbinic generalization of clean things being made unclean merely by being in proximity with unclean things. In my view, this is the point of Peter's dream. Generally, it is not the proximity of things that makes them unclean, but their nature.
As the Leviticus quote points out, it might be better to draw the conclusion that it is the 'unequally yoked" nature of such things that makes them unacceptable. Of course, I would not argue this too far since this view is rabbinic on my part.
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/11/2008 9:30:19 PM
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Fledgling - for your consideration as you allow scripture to interpret scripture:
Rom 14:6 He who regards the day regards it to the Lord; and he not regarding the day, does not regard it to the Lord. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, does not eat to the Lord, and gives God thanks.
Rom 14:14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing by itself is common; except to him who esteems anything to be common, it is common.
1 Corinthians 10:28-31 (28) But if anyone says to you, This is slain in sacrifice to idols, do not eat for the sake of him who showed it, and for conscience' sake; "for the earth is the Lord's, and the fullness of it"; (29) conscience, I say, not your own, but the other's. For why is my liberty judged by another's conscience? (30) For if I by grace am a partaker, why am I evil spoken of for that for which I give thanks? (31) Therefore whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
1 Timothy 4:1-5 But the Spirit expressly says that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and teachings of demons, (2) speaking lies in hypocrisy, being seared in their own conscience, (3) forbidding to marry, saying to abstain from foods which God has created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. (4) For every creation of God is good, and nothing to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving. (5) For it is sanctified through the Word of God and prayer.
May God continually bless your  reading of His Holy Word.
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/11/2008 9:59:13 PM
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That's good Theo, and the foods in the Greek word "broma" refering to the foods in Leviticus that He declared cleaned. The uncleaned animals were not considered food.
Romans 14 requires more expounding...I would study the context carefully in line with the scriptures in Leviticus 11 as Paul did not teach anything contrary to what was written. Let's continue in the Law thread.
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/13/2008 2:55:03 AM
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There is allot of information on Genetically Modified foods. Most of the food we eat in the US is GM...
It is too much to address the whole subject. So I will just look at one thing. Wheat vs. Spelt.
Because of man (humans) wheat has been genetically modified to make it's production easier and the goods produced from it more palatable.. However.. GM wheat is less nutrious/ harder to digest and may cause/exasperate some diseases (autism)...
Bread (made most commonly from wheat) is a very big staple in the US diet.
God said to follow his ways, not the ways of man. So should we not eat food as he created it? Instead of food that has been GM by man.
Below is a comparison of wheat vs spelt
http://www.osullivansbakery.ie/spelt-bread-page.html
What is SPELT?
Spelt is not wheat, and is among the original, natural grains known to man.
Spelt Versus Wheat:
Spelt has a much higher nutritional value
Spelt can be grown without fertilizers, pesticides, or insecticides.
It can be grown in any climate and with minimum care
Spelt is not sensitive to typical grain diseases as it is surrounded by a strong husk / hull, which guards against air pollutants etc.
The vital substances in spelt are found in the kernel; even pure white spelt bread is “whole grain” bread. In contrast to wheat the vital substances are found in the shell and the germ bud which are removed by the milling process. The wheat kernel contains merely starch.
Spelt is richer in essential amino acids it contains 50 % more than wheat. These amino acids cannot be synthesized by the body; therefore it is vital that we get them through our diet. Amino acids are building blocks of proteins and essential for healthy bones, muscles, skin and general functioning of the body.
Spelt is higher in B vitamins than wheat. B vitamins control carbohydrate, fat and protein metabolism, the growth of cells formation, of skin, and mucous membranes, the blood and the nervous system.
Spelt contains higher levels of soluble and insoluble fiber. The quality fiber of spelt is a natural remedy for digestive disorders, and normalization of cholesterol levels.
Spelt contains more proteins than wheat. All human daily protein requirements can be met with spelt proteins.
Spelt contains special carbohydrates (mucopolysaccharides) which play a decisive role in blood clotting, and stimulates the body’s immune system, so as to increase its resistance to infection.
Spelt is low in gluten and with high levels of crude fiber it helps in the elimination of gluten from the system.
Spelt is easily digested and actually enhances the function of the digestive system.
Spelt vs. Wheat
While many people have compared Spelt to commercial strains of wheat, it is markedly different.
All grains of this family are derived from grasses, some, such as Spelt, are closer to the earliest
cultivated crops in the western world. Spelt's origins can be traced back to approximately
5,000 BC in the area now known as Iran. Spelt (Triticum spelta) is a distant cousin
to modern wheat (Triticum aestivum). Perhaps a better description would be that spelt is a
great uncle of modern wheat. Modern wheat varieties have been bred to be easier to grow and harvest,
to increase yield, as well as to have a high gluten content for the production of
high-volume commercial baked goods. Spelt, on the other hand, has retained much of its original character.
It retains a sturdy husk or hull which remains with the kernel,
as opposed to modern wheat varieties which have been bred to lose their husks when harvested
(free threshing). This hull protects the Spelt grain from pollutants and insects.
Furthermore, unlike other grains, spelt is not normally treated with pesticides or other chemicals. Spelt is stored and shipped with its protective hull intact; it is separated just before being milled into flour. Leaving the husk on the grain not only protects the kernel, but enhances the retention of the nutrients in the kernel and improves freshness.
Nutrition Value
Spelt's uniqueness is also derived from its genetic makeup and nutrition profile. Spelt has high water solubility, so the nutrients are easily absorbed by the body. Spelt contains special carbohydrates (Mucopolysaccharides) which are an important factor in blood
clotting and stimulating the body's immune system. It is also a superb fiber resource and has large amounts of B complex vitamins. Total protein content is from 10 to 25% greater than the
common varieties of commercial wheat.
Maybe this is a stretch but it is an interesting coincidence that what is genetically how God made it is superior nutritionally to something comparative that Man has genetically manipulated for his own benefit for palatability and ease of processing. And also this thing is a very substantial part of our diet.
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/13/2008 10:38:18 AM
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Let's look a little closer at the OP passage from the NASB (for Jimbo's benefit):
Lev 19:19 - You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.
The Hebrew word for "kinds" is kilayim and is found only in Lev 19:19 and its sister verse Deut 22:9. Thus we have no other Scripture to help us interpret the original meaning of "kinds" in these texts. The Hebrew word kilayim actually derives from the plural of keleh which is almost always translated "prison" and may also mean "separation" according to Strong's Lexicon. Thus it seems to me that a good argument can be made for considering this verse to represent a rather obscure legal requirement defined by the original context and nearly impossible to translate to modern day application.
Certainly it is relevant to remember that God created specific "kinds" (baramin) of plants and animals which cannot cross-breed by definition. Plus, the word translated "cattle" is much more widely used to mean various creatures and beasts, not just bovine animals. Finally, what about the prohibition against wearing different "kinds" of fabric in one garment? Surely no one thinks s/he is sinning when wearing a cotton/polyester blend shirt?!
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/13/2008 12:10:04 PM
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it is an interesting coincidence that what is genetically how God made it is superior nutritionally to something comparative that Man has genetically manipulated for his own benefit for palatability and ease of processing.
Fledgling - I would offer that what you seem to be driving at is a preference of organic / natural foods over processed / engineered foods. If you want to connect that to being a postulated reason for why God originally required the Israelites to have certain food regulations I don't see that as being theologically incongruous, however I would offer that we should not be making a law out of it based on the scriptures I provided earlier.
It does, however, give you plenty of room to make the choice of going organic / natural in your personal food selection for healthy reasons. 
Blessings.
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/13/2008 1:21:34 PM
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nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together.
does this mean that we shouldn't wear t-shirts that are a cotton/poly blend
does this mean our coats/sweaters need to be a pure blend
does the mean our sheets/blankets need to be a pure blend
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/13/2008 1:27:59 PM
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Certainly it is relevant to remember that God created specific "kinds" (baramin) of plants and animals which cannot cross-breed by definition. Plus, the word translated "cattle" is much more widely used to mean various creatures and beasts, not just bovine animals. Finally, what about the prohibition against wearing different "kinds" of fabric in one garment? Surely no one thinks s/he is sinning when wearing a cotton/polyester blend shirt?!
I would not say no one thinks that way. There are some who will not wear a cotton/polyester blend shirt. Others connect the Lev 19 verse with the verse about wool and linen and conclude that we are not to blend these. Still others see it as a matter of construction. This latter argument is that we should not sew a piece of wool cloth to a piece of linen. With regard it polyester, some avoid it because it melts and in a fire can fuse with the skin.
It is not wise to make the "no one thinks" argument. It is a variation of the "everybody does it" argument. If it is not acceptable to Adonai, it doesn't matter what any of us thinks. So, the question is what does Adonai think. If we can not determine from the Scriptures what Adonai meant, then we must make our best arguments and each man seek Adonai's guidance.
Regarding the biological benefits of nonhybridized foods as justification, I believe it is dangerous to go down that road. After all, arguments have been made as justification for nonhybridized foods based on the quantitative biological benefits argument. The biological benefits are indeed blessings from Adonai, but they do not prove the proper interpretation of the Scriptures. Now, I believe we could realize many of the quantitative benefits that we derive from mass production if we followed biblical agricultural practices, but this should not be the main reason why we should follow those practices. We should follow them only if we believe Adonai wants us to.
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/13/2008 3:15:00 PM
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With regard it polyester, some avoid it because it melts and in a fire can fuse with the skin.
I hate polyester b/c the fabric doesn't breathe.
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/13/2008 11:51:59 PM
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It is not wise to make the "no one thinks" argument. It is a variation of the "everybody does it" argument. If it is not acceptable to Adonai, it doesn't matter what any of us thinks. So, the question is what does Adonai think. If we can not determine from the Scriptures what Adonai meant, then we must make our best arguments and each man seek Adonai's guidance.
I agree blue thread. Almost all absolutes have exceptions.
I was thinking that Not eating interbred food was a requirement by Adonai.. and not suprisingly it is also the best choice to make for health..
God also says do no follow the ways of this world (gm food) but instead focus on things of God (grains that are as Gd created them).
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/14/2008 6:10:39 PM
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I was thinking that Not eating interbred food was a requirement by Adonai.. Maybe I'm missing something here but where exactly in Lev 19:19 (or anywhere else in Scripture) does it say "not eating interbred food" is a requirement of the Law? What do you think the Hebrew word kilayim means, Fledgling?
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There are some who will not wear a cotton/polyester blend shirt. Since polyester was not invented until 1953, how do these "some" interpret the passage? As prophecy predicting fabric yet to be invented for 3000 years?
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/14/2008 9:35:02 PM
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Maybe I'm missing something here but where exactly in Lev 19:19 (or anywhere else in Scripture) does it say "not eating interbred food" is a requirement of the Law? What do you think the Hebrew word kilayim means, Fledgling?
From chabad.org Knowledge Base » Torah, The » Halachah (Torah law) » Halachic Concepts & Issues » Kilayim
Kilayim: a forbidden mixture; e.g.: the forbidden interbreeding of plant or animal species
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http://www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/2284/jewish/Boundaries.htm
Specifically, the Torah's kilayim laws forbid the hybridization of certain species of plants and animals.
Three of these laws are enumerated in the 22nd chapter of Deuteronomy:
You shall not sow your vineyard with diverse seeds...
You shall not plow with an ox and an ass together.
You shall not wear shaatnez, [a garment fashioned of] wool and linen together.
Three Breeds of Hybrid
While the three prohibitions in the above verses all relate to the intermixing of species, each represents a different type of "hybridization."
The first law, which forbids the sowing of grain in a vineyard, is the most extreme form of kilayim among the three. When different plant species are planted in close proximity to each other, their roots intermingle and each derives nourishment from the other. The result is a true hybrid--a plant that has integrated into itself the characteristics of another species. The grape or kernel of grain might not be externally distinguishable from a "normal" grape or kernel, but it has been intrinsically altered, its taste, texture and other qualities affected by the fact that it shared soil and nurture with a different species. This places it in the same class as another form of kilayim (which the Torah forbids in Leviticus 19:19)--the prohibition to breed a hybrid animal by mating two different species to each other.
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/14/2008 10:21:21 PM
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But again I ask about not eating this so-called "hybrid"-derived food product. The prohibition is against planting crops and mating animals, not eating the results!
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/15/2008 5:14:45 PM
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Look, all this wrangling is useless. Acts 15 ( the 4 commandments for New Covenant Gentile believers) says nothing about any of this.
If you are a Jewish believer, that is a different story, for another thread.
While there may be advantage to eating the spelt I am sure, there is nothing unbiblical about eating the other.
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RE: Leviticus 19 : foods made from interbreeding - 9/15/2008 7:01:53 PM
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ORIGINAL: drmark
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I was thinking that Not eating interbred food was a requirement by Adonai.. Maybe I'm missing something here but where exactly in Lev 19:19 (or anywhere else in Scripture) does it say "not eating interbred food" is a requirement of the Law? What do you think the Hebrew word kilayim means, Fledgling?
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There are some who will not wear a cotton/polyester blend shirt. Since polyester was not invented until 1953, how do these "some" interpret the passage? As prophecy predicting fabric yet to be invented for 3000 years?
It is the principle derived from Lev. 19 in light of Deut. 22 as Fledgling points out that leads some to not interwaeve different kinds of materials. Of course, these people have the problem of what to do with the gold being woven into the garment of the Cohen Ha Godal(High Priest).
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ORIGINAL: drmark
But again I ask about not eating this so-called "hybrid"-derived food product. The prohibition is against planting crops and mating animals, not eating the results!
Believe it or not, not all Torah observant individuals are of the "hard and fast' literal interpretation type. In fact, the "hard and fast" rule is more often used by those who oppose such a lifestyle than by those who are really serious about living that lifestyle.
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Dave W:
Look, all this wrangling is useless. Acts 15 ( the 4 commandments for New Covenant Gentile believers) says nothing about any of this.
If you are a Jewish believer, that is a different story, for another thread.
While there may be advantage to eating the spelt I am sure, there is nothing unbiblic | | |
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