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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 9:58:59 AM
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Thessa
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My point exactly.
No it's not. Your point was America hasn't elected an "abortion loving" president in 8 years. My point is no Liberal (that I no of) loves abortions. Of even supports abortions. They support choice. Not abortions.
Now its YOU that dosent understand what im saying. lol
Most liberals support abortion do they not? Yes. Then i was accurate in saying that one wasnt elected in 8 years, which clearly made my point and prooved to you what you wanted me to proove.
And if you look up Obama. He supports abortions. Not just choice.
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 10:06:55 AM
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What these polls are indicated is only that John McCain will win a large percentage of the popular vote. But the popular vote doesn't decide the election. Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in the 2008 Democratic primaries. To get a better idea of how this election is projected to go, you need to look at electoral college: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 10:09:46 AM
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Thessa
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What these polls are indicated is only that John McCain will win a large percentage of the popular vote. But the popular vote doesn't decide the election. Al Gore won the popular vote in 2000. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in the 2008 Democratic primaries. To get a better idea of how this election is projected to go, you need to look at electoral college: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/
I know what it means.
It means McCain is doing great and Obama is lacking in substance as he goes along. Just as alot of people already predicted.
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 10:25:47 AM
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Everything she is for, most of America agrees with.
I think you are the one thats out of touch with what America needs.
80% of Americans don't agree with her.
Proove it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/22/opinion/polls/main537570.shtml
On the 30th anniversary of the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision, a CBS News/New York Times poll finds the vast majority of Americans continues to believe that abortion should remain available in at least some cases.
Seventy-seven percent of respondents said abortion should either be generally available, or available but with stricter limits than now. Just 22 percent said abortion should not be permitted.
Public sentiment on the issue is about the same as it was ten years ago. The latest findings show the number of Americans who believe that abortion should be generally available is up slightly from two years ago, and about the same as it was in the spring of 2000.
First let's focus on an important point that you missed: Palin is NOT running for president. She will ONLY become president if McCain dies of natural causes or assassination. Therefore as VP she will not be in a position to appoint Supreme Court justices and other presidential decisions.
Polls in 2007 show that support for abortion are heading downward.
- From Gallup: 54% for abortion only under certain circumstances
- From Fox News: 50% believe it should be illegal simply because the baby is unwanted
- From Harris: 42% favor laws that would make it more difficult for a woman to get an abortion.
2007 abortion poll LINK
And there are many more stats on that site from other pollsters. What one needs to understand that though most support abortion only with certain conditions: rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother, LESS THAN 1% OF ABORTIONS TODAY MEET THOSE CONDITIONS, THE 99%+ USE IT AS A FORM OF BIRTH CONTROL.
As for gun ownership, the majority of Americans support gun ownership rights: 2007 gun rights LINK
And the death penalty: most Americans support the death penalty: 2007 death penalty LINK
Note that these polls are taken in 2007 and not several years ago. I dare say that YOU are out of touch with today's mainstream-America.
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 10:30:01 AM
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First let's focus on an important point that you missed: Palin is NOT running for president. She will ONLY become president if McCain dies of natural causes or assassination. Therefore as VP she will not be in a position to appoint Supreme Court justices and other presidential decisions.
If McCain become is elected, which would be a cruel joke, I'd say there's a decent chance, unfortunately, that he will not finish his first term. He's already outlived his father. He has had great health in the past decade. It's unfortunate, but it's the downside to running when you are elderly. So I do think people need to concern themselves with the possibility that Palin could be President.
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 10:37:05 AM
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First let's focus on an important point that you missed: Palin is NOT running for president. She will ONLY become president if McCain dies of natural causes or assassination. Therefore as VP she will not be in a position to appoint Supreme Court justices and other presidential decisions.
If McCain become is elected, which would be a cruel joke, I'd say there's a decent chance, unfortunately, that he will not finish his first term. He's already outlived his father. He has had great health in the past decade. It's unfortunate, but it's the downside to running when you are elderly. So I do think people need to concern themselves with the possibility that Palin could be President.
Do you now disagree with your statement from the OP that Palin "is very out-of-touch with mainstream America"?
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 10:48:55 AM
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Name one Liberal who loves abortions.
Barack Obama
Billl Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Ted Kennedy
Nancy Pelosi
I could go on, but there is a character maximum in these replies....
And isn't it odd that according to brother Bob here, it's okay for a liberal like Obama to run, but how dare those wascally Wepublicans actually put a CONSERVATIVE on the ticket!
I guess we'll find out in Nov who is more in line with Mainstream America, no?
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 10:56:21 AM
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Palin might be too far right for the mainstream on some issues, like abortion.
Over four fifths of all Americans believe that abortion ought to be available at least some times. The same number also believe that there ought to be some restrictions on abortion.
The point is not really, are Palin's abortion and other views too far right; it's do Americans care? Conservative presidents, conservative controlled Congresses, and a Supreme Court with a majority of conservative (and Catholic) justices have STILL not done anything significant to change abortion laws. And they won't in the future.
I say this as a person who doesn't care if abortion is legal or not. It genuinely does not matter to me, or to most of the people I know. If you don't want an abortion, you don't get one. And if you do, and you have money, and you know where to go, you can EASILY get one whether it's legal or not; you always have been able to do so.
Yes, this will get me in trouble with people on both sides, but it's the truth. People in this election will vote on the economy and things that influence the economy. So the real question is, are Palin's economic policies too far right?
When it comes to social, rather than economic or military, issues, the government is usually the last one on the band wagon.
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 12:03:38 PM
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Name one Liberal who loves abortions.
Any Liberal that supports it.... Find the few that don't... And by all means make an attempt to claim that they hate what they champion and what they use to gain and maintain power...
They love abortion, it empowers them, it makes them godlike... And for those liberals who do claim God and love abortion it would be better for them to deny God....
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 12:20:36 PM
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Yes but what about mainstream America? What about the 80% of Americans who are pro-choice?
According to gallup your figure is way off ...
A new Gallup Values and Belief national survey of 1,003 adults (conducted 5/10 through 5/13) finds:
* 49% of Americans consider themselves "pro-choice," 45% say "pro-life."
* 56% say abortions should be "legal under any certain circumstances," 26% say "legal under any," and 18% say "illegal in all."
* 53% would not like to see Roe v. Wade overturned; 35% would.
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 12:24:21 PM
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Everything she is for, most of America agrees with.
I think you are the one thats out of touch with what America needs.
80% of Americans don't agree with her.
Proove it.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/01/22/opinion/polls/main537570.shtml
On the 30th anniversary of the Supreme Court's Roe v. Wade decision, a CBS News/New York Times poll finds the vast majority of Americans continues to believe that abortion should remain available in at least some cases.
Seventy-seven percent of respondents said abortion should either be generally available, or available but with stricter limits than now. Just 22 percent said abortion should not be permitted.
Public sentiment on the issue is about the same as it was ten years ago. The latest findings show the number of Americans who believe that abortion should be generally available is up slightly from two years ago, and about the same as it was in the spring of 2000.
Your site gives the numbers for five years ago ... see the above post for the up to date numbers ... I'll find the gallup poll again and give the site later.
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 12:24:32 PM
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Psalms274:
Thanks for the updated information.
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 12:43:03 PM
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I cannot find where I got the numbers yet ... but here is a Gallup article on the subject with lots of data see here
As you can see from this site here since the data has been collected in 1994 through the present ... the pro choice number has NEVER been anywhere near 80%.
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 12:45:16 PM
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I cannot find where I got the numbers yet ... but here is a Gallup article on the subject with lots of data see here
As you can see from this site here since the data has been collected in 1994 through the present ... the pro choice number has NEVER been anywhere near 80%.
I am sure if one took a poll in the Bay Area you could get those types of numbers...
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 1:06:15 PM
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She cannot be that far out of the mainstream.
IMO, on abortion rights, Palin is unquestionably far-right, and her position on the issue will do little to draw in moderates - if anything, it will repel them to Obama's side.
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We don't know nearly enough about her yet to answer that question. She hasn't given us much information on her position on issues of national importance. She hasn't made any policy speeches since she became VP nominee, hasn't given interviews.
Which is something that Palin cannot afford to do for long (e.g. giving the same stump speeches while hiding from the national media).
Plus, why are McCain's people even hesitant for Palin to discuss her basic policy positions - this, outside of probing her knowledge of issues like foreign affairs?
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 1:12:48 PM
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Once again, I think that it will depend on how mainstream views Palin's economic beliefs, not her position on abortion, sex education, same sex marriage, or anything else. Quite frankly, the VP's positions on any of those issues does not matter much at all.
As for people who wonder if Palin's pregnant daughter's situation will help or hurt her with mainstream Americans, as an example I offer the CURRENT VP's daughter's situation: a "married" (or at least permanently hitched) lesbian with a kid with two mommies. The mainstream has certainly accepted them, as have even the right wing for the most part. I just don't think most Americans care about these family situations anymore. What used to be scandal is now everyday. Who doesn't know a family with an unmarried single mother, or a gay or lesbian child, or a multi-divorced-and-remarried member?
It will come down to how mainstream America views Palin's economic and defense views.
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 1:19:37 PM
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It will come down to how mainstream America views Palin's economic and defense views.
I agree, but feel Palin's economic beliefs will matter more than national defense matters. People almost always vote their pocketbooks first in elections.
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 1:23:39 PM
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I think you're right about the economy on this one. Economics are usually what I vote on anyway; I like my stuff, and I like to keep it and get more if it.
Of course, it will depend on whether Palin actually has any thoughts on the economy. It will be interesting to see her record in Alaska analyzed and dissected, as it will be.
Does anyone know if either party is running on offering more "economic stimulus" checks? That was a pretty good joke this last spring; not that I got one.
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 1:26:30 PM
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Thats alot of America. I saw a poll the other day that had 92% of Americans believe in God.
And most who believe in God knows his word to be correct and the one to follow. So therefore they would not support what Obama supports. Lots of us believe in God but don't support Sarah Palin's extreme conservative views. Yes, I consider most of her view outside the mainstream, especially on abortion, teaching creationism, abstinence ONLY sex ed and global warming.
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 1:33:12 PM
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Of course, it will depend on whether Palin actually has any thoughts on the economy.
I suspect Palin will echo the McCain camp's basic party line on economic issues, which thus far, has been seriously lacking in actual details.
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 1:58:18 PM
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Lots of us believe in God but don't support Sarah Palin's extreme conservative views. Yes, I consider most of her view outside the mainstream, especially on abortion, teaching creationism, abstinence ONLY sex ed and global warming.
So you believe in God but ignore what His word might have to say on certain issues in an election year.
How convenient....
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RE: Is Sarah Palin too far right for mainstream America? - 9/7/2008 2:07:15 PM
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Found the following Politico article addressing some comments McCain had this weekend on the subject of Sarah Palin's foreign policy credentials, citing her authority over the Alaska National Guard as a prime example.
However, McCain fails to point out that (via the same article):
[Governors] don’t have any command role in overseas deployments, or in the national security and foreign policy decisions surrounding them. That’s the prerogative of the president.
Governors are commanders of their state National Guard units, but their roles are restricted to deployments of soldiers and airmen within their states, said Randy Noller, a spokesman for the National Guard Bureau, the federal defense agency that oversees the Army and Air National Guards.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080907/pl_politico/13222;_ylt=AgGWfm5PHeA4_EYBT7CEdVKs0NUE
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