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RE: Britney????????? - 9/12/2008 10:46:57 AM
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I haven't even heard of this song until I saw it on the board. I'm going to see if I can catch it before saying anything else.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/12/2008 12:44:38 PM
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I've always felt pity for famous people like Britney. Maybe the song will reach her and help her in some way.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/12/2008 3:52:45 PM
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Yeah, maybe she'll go "man, the idea that the public is responsible for how screwed up my life is is so dumb. I better get my act together". 
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/13/2008 1:07:55 PM
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Well, many of us don't even classify what Britney does as "music." I would be included in that crowd. But I would NEVER put her in the same class as a mass murderer.
She's not in a class with mass murderers. The point was made that it's wrong to focus on the wrong that people do and that only the good should be highlighted. If that's true, we should be able to look at the worst person imaginable (Hitler), ignore the wrong that he did, look only at his good deeds, and come up with an even handed evaluation of his impact on society. The Hitler reference was just to show how unworkable and utterly inane that viewpoint is. It comes straight from the "leave Britney alone, whaa whaa" video mindset.
MusicianDad I have to defend myself and say again about what I meant about focusing on the wrong people do. I never said ignore it those are your words not mine, I said too many people focus on wrongs things. Media and people who thrive on it. My mindset is not about leaving Brittany alone please don't assume, I only want help for, not tear her down. You have your opinion of her and have been very vocal on how you feel. Let's leave it at that.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/13/2008 2:04:45 PM
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MusicianDad I have to defend myself and say again about what I meant about focusing on the wrong people do. I never said ignore it those are your words not mine, I said too many people focus on wrongs things. Media and people who thrive on it. My mindset is not about leaving Brittany alone please don't assume, I only want help for, not tear her down. You have your opinion of her and have been very vocal on how you feel. Let's leave it at that.
Let's leave what at what? I haven't been vocal on how I feel. I've been straight forward on what I think.
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It's just that people spend too much time focusing on the wrong people do and not the positive.
Is there an equation for that or is it totally up to your subjective opinion? Does it count only for Britney, for everybody, or only for who you say it counts for?
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/13/2008 3:35:38 PM
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MusicianDad I have to defend myself and say again about what I meant about focusing on the wrong people do. I never said ignore it those are your words not mine, I said too many people focus on wrongs things. Media and people who thrive on it. My mindset is not about leaving Brittany alone please don't assume, I only want help for, not tear her down. You have your opinion of her and have been very vocal on how you feel. Let's leave it at that.
Let's leave what at what? I haven't been vocal on how I feel. I've been straight forward on what I think.
Here's your quote, verbatim:
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It's just that people spend too much time focusing on the wrong people do and not the positive.
Is there an equation for that or is it totally up to your subjective opinion? Does it count only for Britney, for everybody, or only for who you say it counts for?
ok... on what you think of her then. Again I never said ignoring the wrong people do. You said I did. You don't agree with me so let's leave it at that.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/13/2008 5:11:31 PM
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You don't agree with me so let's leave it at that.
Uh, well you can do as you please. I'm going to discuss this issue and any others as I like, as I see fit, thankyouverymuch. 
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/14/2008 3:20:41 PM
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That is just plain rude, maybe his song will help her, and other girls who are decieved. Hayseed, your signature needs maybe needs to change, it does not add up to dealing with the sinner man. I am not trying to discredit you say you are not a caring believer, but you seem so judgemental even to BEBO, who point of fact, may have been directed by the Holy Spirit to write this song. musicandad, you seem to just want to jack someone up, and throw stones at even other posters, so what is your hostility about?
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Well, many of us don't even classify what Britney does as "music."
In all of this, though, I have more of a problem with a lame (musically) "Christian" musician getting on his moral-self-righteous high horse and writing and publishing a song wagging his finger in people's faces on a subject he doesn't even have a clue about.
Like Bruce Springsteen capitalized on the 9/11 tragedy to make a "comeback" in his career with a lame album (but of course nobody can criticize him because of the subject matter), Bebo has capitalized on Britney's wreck to put a song out and get publicity.
I think Bebo Norman needs to be sat down by somebody have a talking to.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/14/2008 3:29:21 PM
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Actually comapring the two, they led similar lives before Kieth became born again by God's grace. read a book called " No compromise" written by his widow.
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Britney is 26?
Kieth Green was 28 when died in a plane crash.
wow!! to look at the 2 lives and compare.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/14/2008 4:21:55 PM
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musicandad, you seem to just want to jack someone up, and throw stones at even other posters, so what is your hostility about?
Wow, pretty judgemental there, lightshineon. Your inference is incorrect. I have no desire to jack anyone up. Throwing stones? Uh, like when you call me hostile because I have a differing view from you. Yeah, I can see how someone practicing that kind of hypocrisy would find my statements objectionable and even threatening. I mean, it's way easier to attack me personally that refute what I'm saying.
So...let me just make sure I have this right. All the sleazy stuff Britney has done is unmentionable, songs blaming her lifestyle on the public are virtuous, and anyone who speaks against the former points is a hostile stone thrower?
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/14/2008 6:26:47 PM
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You just do not get it.  you even made a comment about her music ( which is not relevant) but sience I do not even know her music. I guess I will listen to your opinion on that, since you do listen to it, and I do not. I think the point of BeBo Normans song was not to blame us compassionate, grace filled, loving, and kind Christians. I think just maybe he was speaking of society as a whole. I know it maybe a little deep, but, try really try to grasp the context of the song Gee.
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musicandad, you seem to just want to jack someone up, and throw stones at even other posters, so what is your hostility about?
Wow, pretty judgemental there, lightshineon. Your inference is incorrect. I have no desire to jack anyone up. Throwing stones? Uh, like when you call me hostile because I have a differing view from you. Yeah, I can see how someone practicing that kind of hypocrisy would find my statements objectionable and even threatening. I mean, it's way easier to attack me personally that refute what I'm saying.
So...let me just make sure I have this right. All the sleazy stuff Britney has done is unmentionable, songs blaming her lifestyle on the public are virtuous, and anyone who speaks against the former points is a hostile stone thrower?
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/14/2008 8:45:26 PM
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Why would he blame ANYBODY? It's untruthful, so I doubt the Holy Spirit would inspire someone to write a song that doesn't really address the heart of the matter in truth.
Britney is an adult and has the choices to make.
Sorry, but I'm not being "judgmental." I just choose not to live with my head in the sand.
If we're all to blame maybe Bebo should make an entire album dedicated to apologizing to Michael Jackson, Paris Hilton, Nicole Ritchie, The Simpson sisters. Maybe the Titanic disaster while he's at it. We're just as guilty for that as we are of what Britney's made of her own life.
But it will sound so "graceful" to apologize for things you haven't done.
One important thing to remember is this: God's free grace through Christ is based on and conditioned on REPENTANCE... a human decision on our part.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/14/2008 9:17:59 PM
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Well hayseed, I do not doubt the Holy Spirit inspired BEBO. If you are sure he did not, well just be sure before you say that. God's ways are not ours. Is it to much to ask for you to see her as a sinner in need of Grace, and pray for her salvation? I am not saying join her fan club, or anything,I just do think your attitude does not reflect your signature. I always liked you hayseed, and your postings, but with grace I am saying you are mistaken in the context of the song. I am not going to be nasty to you, because that is wrong, and like I said, I always appreciated your post. I guess we just will have to agree to disagree on this issue. Blessings to you.
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Why would he blame ANYBODY? It's untruthful, so I doubt the Holy Spirit would inspire someone to write a song that doesn't really address the heart of the matter in truth.
Britney is an adult and has the choices to make.
Sorry, but I'm not being "judgmental." I just choose not to live with my head in the sand.
If we're all to blame maybe Bebo should make an entire album dedicated to apologizing to Michael Jackson, Paris Hilton, Nicole Ritchie, The Simpson sisters. Maybe the Titanic disaster while he's at it. We're just as guilty for that as we are of what Britney's made of her own life.
But it will sound so "graceful" to apologize for things you haven't done.
One important thing to remember is this: God's free grace through Christ is based on and conditioned on REPENTANCE... a human decision on our part.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/14/2008 11:17:33 PM
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You just do not get it. you even made a comment about her music ( which is not relevant) but sience I do not even know her music. I guess I will listen to your opinion on that, since you do listen to it, and I do not. I think the point of BeBo Normans song was not to blame us compassionate, grace filled, loving, and kind Christians. I think just maybe he was speaking of society as a whole. I know it maybe a little deep, but, try really try to grasp the context of the song Gee.
Lol. Thank you, oh swami of enlightenment. Maybe if you type real slow I'll be able to grasp your superior intellect. 
On the Holy Spirit thing, again the hypocracy is just amazing. You don't know what the Holy Spirit is saying or not saying to anyone, except yourself . He's sovereign and can speak or not speak as He sees fit. Calling on His name doesn't make your arument any less inane.
Regarding the "I really like you Hayseed" thing, LOL! Your condescension is stunning. Way to keep making it personal. Just because it's being pointed out how stupid your argument is, doesn't mean anyone is calling you stupid. Get over it.
Thanks for trying to keep it real on the repentance issue, Hayseed. In my life experience, I havn't seen too many people come to repentance as a result of those around them blaming their sin on society. I don't know of any Biblical examples of pushing it off on others either.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/15/2008 12:56:47 AM
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Tell me what biblical principle is Bebo's song made from? Where is it taught that what's wrong in your life is other people's fault and they should apologize for what you've done to yourself?
There's nothing about praying for her salvation in the song. It's apologizing for something people didn't do. Maybe Bebo did. Then he should apologize for himself.
The song did accomplish in getting Bebo some press and I'm sure he's sold a few more albums.
I'm a musician and I totally understand the gig. Let's just not make it out to be any more than what it is.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/15/2008 8:24:38 AM
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 and pearls. Enough said.
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You just do not get it. you even made a comment about her music ( which is not relevant) but sience I do not even know her music. I guess I will listen to your opinion on that, since you do listen to it, and I do not. I think the point of BeBo Normans song was not to blame us compassionate, grace filled, loving, and kind Christians. I think just maybe he was speaking of society as a whole. I know it maybe a little deep, but, try really try to grasp the context of the song Gee.
Lol. Thank you, oh swami of enlightenment. Maybe if you type real slow I'll be able to grasp your superior intellect.
On the Holy Spirit thing, again the hypocracy is just amazing. You don't know what the Holy Spirit is saying or not saying to anyone, except yourself . He's sovereign and can speak or not speak as He sees fit. Calling on His name doesn't make your arument any less inane.
Regarding the "I really like you Hayseed" thing, LOL! Your condescension is stunning. Way to keep making it personal. Just because it's being pointed out how stupid your argument is, doesn't mean anyone is calling you stupid. Get over it.
Thanks for trying to keep it real on the repentance issue, Hayseed. In my life experience, I havn't seen too many people come to repentance as a result of those around them blaming their sin on society. I don't know of any Biblical examples of pushing it off on others either.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/15/2008 3:12:16 PM
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That's pretty funny lightshineon.
You don't seem to actually have anything to back up and answer some questions. But you know enough to make the judgements you want.
I asked for some backing up from scripture. The Holy Spirit won't contradict the written word. Please, tell us so we can know.
This really is turning into a self-righteous "I'm so much more graceful than everybody else" thing from you.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/15/2008 3:31:39 PM
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yes Hayseed, and your signature is pretty hypocritical don't you think? I gave scripture. I will give more. Jesus did not come into the world to condem it, but came to save it. While we still dead in our sins Christ Died for us. he the story in oh and the woman at the well, also the woman caught in sin, For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son, for so whomsoever may believe in him will be saved. I do not have a Bible here I wil go back, and edit the post later with chp, and number. Man you and the MusicanDad sure put God in a box, saying what he will, and will not do. Even thowing stones at BeBo Norman, who by the way has been more sucessful than Musicandad, as far as that goes so has Britney. I know that is hateful, and I am sorry but it shows how you two are acting. Rude. I can certainly give you scripture dealing with that if you want. You are conderdicting Gods word for sure. it is obvious for some reason your kissing Musicandads BoBO, so please stop, it is not flattering at all.
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That's pretty funny lightshineon.
You don't seem to actually have anything to back up and answer some questions. But you know enough to make the judgements you want.
I asked for some backing up from scripture. The Holy Spirit won't contradict the written word. Please, tell us so we can know.
This really is turning into a self-righteous "I'm so much more graceful than everybody else" thing from you.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/15/2008 4:39:38 PM
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You don't agree with me so let's leave it at that.
Uh, well you can do as you please. I'm going to discuss this issue and any others as I like, as I see fit, thankyouverymuch.
I would never stop you from discussing anything as I'm sure you would do the same for me, right?
As with anyone who is posting, they are voicing their opinions. Not everyone agrees and can say so but is it necessary to reply the way you did to lightshineon when you said...
(quote) Lol. Thank you, oh swami of enlightenment. Maybe if you type real slow I'll be able to grasp your superior intellect.
Could we be at least respectful of each other and just say whether we agree or not? We react to how we interpret what someone has said.
We all should have the fruit of the spirit don't you think?
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/15/2008 4:54:17 PM
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Who's condemned Britney? Nobody here. But we also aren't going to go along with the "it's everybody else' fault she is the way she is and we need to apologize to her." That's what you can't seem to come to grips with.
There's nothing to apologize for. She is an adult and is accountable for her own decisions.
There's a huge difference between grace and hyper responsibility. You and I aren't in a position (and neither is Bebo) to apologize to her. We didn't do anything.
We're just normal schlubs living our lives and minding our own business.
God has grace for Britney and she can choose the way of repentance like we all get the chance.
How is taking the responsibility for her actions and apologizing to her for it going to get her saved?
Give me some scriptural back up to your teaching. Your stories from the bible don't apply here. Jesus didn't apologize to the woman at the well for her sins or let her make excuses. He acknowledged them and called her to repentance.
You're the hypocritical one here. You're judging everybody and putting words in their mouths that they didn't say, to line up with your judgments.
My signature is true. I don't know why you want to focus on that so much. But the bottom line is that you're towing the religious person line and I don't care what you think of me for speaking blunt truth into the matter.
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yes Hayseed, and your signature is pretty hypocritical don't you think? I gave scripture. I will give more. Jesus did not come into the world to condem it, but came to save it. While we still dead in our sins Christ Died for us. he the story in oh and the woman at the well, also the woman caught in sin, For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son, for so whomsoever may believe in him will be saved. I do not have a Bible here I wil go back, and edit the post later with chp, and number. Man you and the MusicanDad sure put God in a box, saying what he will, and will not do. Even thowing stones at BeBo Norman, who by the way has been more sucessful than Musicandad, as far as that goes so has Britney. I know that is hateful, and I am sorry but it shows how you two are acting. Rude. I can certainly give you scripture dealing with that if you want. You are conderdicting Gods word for sure. it is obvious for some reason your kissing Musicandads BoBO, so please stop, it is not flattering at all.
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That's pretty funny lightshineon.
You don't seem to actually have anything to back up and answer some questions. But you know enough to make the judgements you want.
I asked for some backing up from scripture. The Holy Spirit won't contradict the written word. Please, tell us so we can know.
This really is turning into a self-righteous "I'm so much more graceful than everybody else" thing from you.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/15/2008 6:42:29 PM
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We just posted a "Story Behind the Song" with Bebo. He talks candidly about the story behind "Britney." Plus, we also just posted a new Q&A with Bebo over at ChristianMusicPlanet.com.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/15/2008 6:43:34 PM
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Glad to see that Hayseed and MusicianDad have gotten the biblical concept of grace and mercy. Honestly, I don't know where Britney in her walk these days, I don't watch her every move. It's sad that she got sold a bill of goods that just isn't what she was sold and I suspect there is some kind of addiction issue there as well. But as a Christian, I can pray that she finds her way to or (back to) God.
I'm sorry if I can't be as judgemental as you guys think we should be...go ahead and throw your stones as you know you have nothing to repent of...
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/15/2008 7:39:49 PM
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As for the song from Bebo -- it's good, I can easily see it as from the heart of God.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/15/2008 8:40:16 PM
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I would never stop you from discussing anything as I'm sure you would do the same for me, right?
Absolutely. What I find humorous is the way some have come in here and said what they had to say and then advised everyone else that the conversation is not relevant or appropriate and that is should be discontinued...now that they have had their say on the matter, that is.
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ORIGINAL: Giggles56...but is it necessary to reply the way you did to lightshineon...
Well, this whole website isn't necessary if you want to go there, but my reply was appropriate considering the haughtyness of lightshineon's post. If one doesn't want to be mocked for having an imperious attitude, then one shouldn't display such an attitude so readily.
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Could we be at least respectful of each other and just say whether we agree or not?
Unfortunately, not all ideas deserve the same level of respect. If I insisted that cows can fly, for example, it would be silly (IMO) for others to say, "what a well thought out opinion". If someone says something unbiblical...oh, say like "it's society's fault the Britney often acts in a inappropriate way and we owe her an appology for leading her astray", I believe they should be called on it, as in fact they are.
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RE: Britney????????? - 9/15/2008 8:46:34 PM
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I'm sorry if I can't be as judgemental as you guys think we should be...go ahead and throw your stones as you know you have nothing to repent of...
Acknowledging we all have something to repent of and holding people responsible for their sin are not mutually exclusive. Nor is praying for her while holding her responsible.
Some may think these gentlemen are being hard on Ms. Spears. And they are but I feel that if the people in her life were as hard on her as these gentlemen then maybe her life would be different. These gentlemen by all indications that I can find are Christians who know they are fallen and know that they are not perfect. They speak hard truth and I feel that is what is needed.
I hope that the bitterness on both sides can be healed. I was hesitant to answer because I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings more but I just couldn't ignore this comment.
Looking at the forum and in life is it just me or is there a bad spirit about. I know I was fairly nasty to the USPS customer service after they failed to leave a package (tracking said "delivery attempted") with no "please pick this up" notice. I'm not like that usually. Maybe its just me but I notice in the forum more conflict than I had before. Maybe its the tough times were going through or maybe its something spiritual. Sorry to go OT (I did this in the election forum as well) but thats what I'm thinking. And its many people so don't take it personally anyone.
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