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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 3:05:54 AM
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Thessa
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^^^You must not have been watching the news lately.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 3:12:33 AM
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^^^You must not have been watching the news lately.
Well that's exactly what I'm saying. Fox News is telling everybody it's a close race and McCain has a good chance. But all you have to do is think about how close Kerry was in 2004. How much more of an inspiring and exciting candidate Obama is than Kerry. How much worse of a candidate McCain is than Bush. The reasons people voted against Bush in 2004 and the fact that McCain has the same policies people voted against in 2004. The fact that no one will laugh at you if you compare Obama to Kennedy and Reagan in the sense that he's an inspiring candidate and has made people exciting about voting in November because they know they'll be making a history changing vote. A vote for a better future. McCain can't compete with that.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 3:26:37 AM
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^^^You must not have been watching the news lately.
Well that's exactly what I'm saying. Fox News is telling everybody it's a close race and McCain has a good chance. But all you have to do is think about how close Kerry was in 2004. How much more of an inspiring and exciting candidate Obama is than Kerry. How much worse of a candidate McCain is than Bush. The reasons people voted against Bush in 2004 and the fact that McCain has the same policies people voted against in 2004. The fact that no one will laugh at you if you compare Obama to Kennedy and Reagan in the sense that he's an inspiring candidate and has made people exciting about voting in November because they know they'll be making a history changing vote. A vote for a better future. McCain can't compete with that.
Yes Fox News is saying that - but none of the other stations are. They are so pro-Obama it makes me want to puke.
What Obama is doing is exactly what Kerry tried to do and he failed as well. Kerry promoted change - only he used the word 'plan'. He would always say "I have a plan!" But to this day i dont think anyone knew what that plan was. The same with Obama. He talks about change but what exactly does he talk about changing? He just hates Bush. Plain and simple. If Bush's approval rate was higher than it is then Obamas plan would go in a totally different direction. Hes just telling people what he thinks they want to hear. And the only reason its worked so far is because of his race. Some people are excited that he may be the first black President - and i admit i was too at first. As you know (if you remember) on the other site we were on i said i voted for him when the primaries came around to my state.
But then after that and after i stopped being excited about the speeches i started looking at exactly what he supported. I did research. And that just made him look very bad to me. And to alot of others. Then when that interview aired with Warren that was even worse. That was another reason Obamas popularity went way down. Hes just not at all on the same level as alot of Americans. Not at all. And the debates will proove that. So will the election in November.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 3:40:06 AM
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Yes Fox News is saying that - but none of the other stations are. They are so pro-Obama it makes me want to puke.
Think about that for a second. Fox is the only station who criticised Obama's acceptance speech. Every other station thought it was inspiring and history-making. Fox is the only station that praised the GOP convention and the acceptance speeches for Palin and McCain. Every other station thought the GOP was generally uninspiring and the speeches were very negative in tone. Fox is the only station saying McCain has a good chance at winning the election. Every other station have already placed their bets for Obama. So don't you think that the fact that Fox is alone on every issue possibly means that they are the ones who are wrong? They are out of the loop.
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What Obama is doing is exactly what Kerry tried to do and he failed as well. Kerry promoted change - only he used the word 'plan'. He would always say "I have a plan!" But to this day i dont think anyone knew what that plan was. The same with Obama. He talks about change but what exactly does he talk about changing? He just hates Bush. Plain and simple. If Bush's approval rate was higher than it is then Obamas plan would go in a totally different direction. Hes just telling people what he thinks they want to hear. And the only reason its worked so far is because of his race. Some people are excited that he may be the first black President - and i admit i was too at first. As you know (if you remember) on the other site we were on i said i voted for him when the primaries came around to my state.
But then after that and after i stopped being excited about the speeches i started looking at exactly what he supported. I did research. And that just made him look very bad to me. And to alot of others. Then when that interview aired with Warren that was even worse. That was another reason Obamas popularity went way down. Hes just not at all on the same level as alot of Americans. Not at all. And the debates will proove that. So will the election in November.
Obama has been pressed on every issue so much that if you don't know exactly where he stands on every issue you haven't been paying attention. And to say if Bush's approval rating was high that Obama's policies would match his is ridiculous. Obama's had the same policies and positions since Bush had a higher approval rating. He spoke out against the war when a lot of Americans were throwing in with Bush and trusting that he'd make America safer. The fact that Bush's approval rating is at rock bottom is not the reason Obama's policies negate his. Obama's policies negate Bush's because Bush has been wrong 90% of the time.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 8:01:36 AM
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McCain will win by such a huge margin, at least 45 states and by 30 points, that a black person will never run for President again, no matter what his qualifications. Ever. In history. Maybe a hispanic when they become the majority in this country, but a black person? Won't happen.
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That sounded awfully racist of you...
Regardless. I believe a lot of people hope I'm right.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 9:40:27 AM
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My gut tells me that Obama is in the beginning stages of self destruction, and that McCain will eke out a victory as a result.
But I'm not going to stand firm on that assertion...
Me thinks you are correct tafkam, it will be close, so close that my Rolaids bill will probably increase, but I think the good "Gun and religion clinging" folks of Ohio and Pennsylvania will swing the election in favor of reason. (and probably because of McCain's pick of Palin).
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 9:47:38 AM
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I really think it's gonna be decided by who votes. If we get people that are voting on an emotional charge and want a charasmatic person to lead this country, Obama will win, this is an election that will be very tight i believe.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 9:48:33 AM
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BO's Very Unfavorable rating is at 27% and has been as high as 30% Can anybody with that win? Has anybody ever?
McCain's highest Very Unfavorable was 23% now at 20%
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 9:56:18 AM
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How much worse of a candidate McCain is than Bush. The reasons people voted against Bush in 2004 and the fact that McCain has the same policies people voted against in 2004.
I don't agree at all, Bush was ridiculed mercilessly for being "dumb", nobody is saying McCain is dumb. There's no way McCain can be less than Bush. In every way, character, experience, charisma, he is more.
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The fact that no one will laugh at you if you compare Obama to Kennedy and Reagan in the sense that he's an inspiring candidate and has made people exciting about voting in November because they know they'll be making a history changing vote.
I do think that is laughable. Might as well compare him to Lincoln or FDR. Or maybe the best presidential candidate ever, when in fact, he is referred to as the worst in 100 years.
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A vote for a better future. McCain can't compete with that.
A better future? What a cotton candy thing to say.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 9:59:47 AM
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BO's Very Unfavorable rating is at 27% and has been as high as 30% Can anybody with that win? Has anybody ever?
who are they asking? Where is your information comming from?
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 10:13:53 AM
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I also believe the Bradley Effect will cause people to scratch their heads in dismay when they see McCain run away with an election that the polls indicated would be close.
While people want to ignore the racial aspect of this election, but like the elephant in the room, it's there. Yes, folks will not vote for Obama because he's black and folks will vote for him because he is. Then there's the fact that he made it to this point in the first place. I agree 100% with Geraldine Ferraro when she said had Obama been white, he wouldn't have been elevated to this lofty position with such a thin resume of accomplishments. I believe a large part of the media's infatuation with him is because of his race. It's a story. Rush Limbaugh wondered during the primaries if the GOP would have the guts to aggressively go after Obama because of his race and fearing any frontal attack would be conscrued as racism. I believe that McCain's choice of Palin was made in part because his camp wanted someone who could play the victim while on the attack as well as Obama.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 10:20:31 AM
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McCain/Palin!
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 10:48:08 AM
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I also believe the Bradley Effect will cause people to scratch their heads in dismay when they see McCain run away with an election that the polls indicated would be close.
While people want to ignore the racial aspect of this election, but like the elephant in the room, it's there. Yes, folks will not vote for Obama because he's black and folks will vote for him because he is. Then there's the fact that he made it to this point in the first place. I agree 100% with Geraldine Ferraro when she said had Obama been white, he wouldn't have been elevated to this lofty position with such a thin resume of accomplishments. I believe a large part of the media's infatuation with him is because of his race. It's a story. Rush Limbaugh wondered during the primaries if the GOP would have the guts to aggressively go after Obama because of his race and fearing any frontal attack would be conscrued as racism. I believe that McCain's choice of Palin was made in part because his camp wanted someone who could play the victim while on the attack as well as Obama.
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Julius, do you believe Obama should win with no regard to his views on the issues? Racism does still rear it's head in America but I do believe a black man can be elected President -- I would have voted for Colin Powell in a heartbeat because I trust his judgement, experience and for the most part we agree on most of the issues. It would be easy for me to vote for Powell.
As for McCain's pick of Gov. Palin, first off, she is qualified, a reformer and I agree with her views on issue. Although it's gotten much better in just my generation, you act like sexism isn't real -- heck, in a earlier thread you were bragging about your sexism. McCain simply made a smart pick. Do you really fault McCain for using good strategy -- after all that is part of being a good leader.
Do you really want Obama to win simply because he's black or do you want him to actually win the campaign?
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 10:53:31 AM
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^^^ Did he say he wanted him to win or did he just point out what he thinks may happen?
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 10:56:29 AM
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I also believe the Bradley Effect will cause people to scratch their heads in dismay when they see McCain run away with an election that the polls indicated would be close.
While people want to ignore the racial aspect of this election, but like the elephant in the room, it's there. Yes, folks will not vote for Obama because he's black and folks will vote for him because he is. Then there's the fact that he made it to this point in the first place. I agree 100% with Geraldine Ferraro when she said had Obama been white, he wouldn't have been elevated to this lofty position with such a thin resume of accomplishments. I believe a large part of the media's infatuation with him is because of his race. It's a story. Rush Limbaugh wondered during the primaries if the GOP would have the guts to aggressively go after Obama because of his race and fearing any frontal attack would be conscrued as racism. I believe that McCain's choice of Palin was made in part because his camp wanted someone who could play the victim while on the attack as well as Obama.
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Julius, do you believe Obama should win with no regard to his views on the issues? Racism does still rear it's head in America but I do believe a black man can be elected President -- I would have voted for Colin Powell in a heartbeat because I trust his judgement, experience and for the most part we agree on most of the issues. It would be easy for me to vote for Powell.
As for McCain's pick of Gov. Palin, first off, she is qualified, a reformer and I agree with her views on issue. Although it's gotten much better in just my generation, you act like sexism isn't real -- heck, in a earlier thread you were bragging about your sexism. McCain simply made a smart pick. Do you really fault McCain for using good strategy -- after all that is part of being a good leader.
Do you really want Obama to win simply because he's black or do you want him to actually win the campaign?
My comments (If you actually read them) have nothing to do with me wanting Obama to win. I'm not voting for him. I've said many times I don't believe he's qualified to be president from his resume alone. I don't want him to win because he is SO unqualified, I believe his presidency would be such a disaster and would preclude another black person from being considered for a long time. I know I've defended him in some of my posts because I believe that although he's not presidential material, people shouldn't try to destroy the man. Maybe I just feel sorry for him.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 11:02:36 AM
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For the record, I don't view Obama as a bad person. Simply not the best choice to be president.
And also, for the record, this is going to be a ground-breaking election no matter what happens that is opening doors and changing perceptions. I'll predict if not this time there will be a black president within this current generation.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 11:04:43 AM
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BO's Very Unfavorable rating is at 27% and has been as high as 30% Can anybody with that win? Has anybody ever?
who are they asking? Where is your information comming from?
Sorry, Rasmussen
ANd I mentioned these columns because the favorables are pretty much even.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 11:31:19 AM
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For the record, I don't view Obama as a bad person. Simply not the best choice to be president.
And also, for the record, this is going to be a ground-breaking election no matter what happens that is opening doors and changing perceptions. I'll predict if not this time there will be a black president within this current generation.
Well, unlike past "door openers" like Jackie Robinson who was thoroughly vetted and prepared for what he was going to face, Obama was not the right person to stand at the door. For example, he should have known his church would have been an issue. That was truly a "duh" moment. This may sound offensive to some, but whatever black person opens the door to a profession where the acceptance of white people is necessary, must be totally acceptable to a majority of white people. Obama is NOT acceptable to the majority of white people. Black people don't decide elections. Neither do whites in the big cities. Small town rural whites in the heartland decide elections. Those that "cling to guns, etc.". If Obama dosen't know it now, he will on the morning of November 5th.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 11:40:26 AM
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I guess I would ask who did they ask to get the results.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 11:53:41 AM
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I haven't decided who gets my vote; I may still vote for Ron Paul or Bob Barr. I have not ruled out either McCain or Obama, either. I always base my own vote on whose economic policies are most beneficial to me personally. I never EVER vote because of a candidate's position on social issues.
All that being said, I am almost certain the the winner will be Obama. I like Sarah Palin's politics (mostly), and I find her family quaintly amusing, and I see how she's (temporarily) fired up the GOP base. I don't think it will last though. Talk about the polls and convention bumps and all: during and immediately after the RNC, McCain should have been three to seven points ahead of Obama. Instead, Barak is taking the lead in key states.
Obama will win PA, although it will be close. PA loves Ed Rendell, and he will deliver the state, based largely on Pittsburgh and Philly, and the all-important Philly suburbs that are often GOP but slowly turning Democrat. I wonder what Rendell's reward will be? Secretary of Commerce, maybe. Iowa for Obama too. The real battleground will be Ohio.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 12:54:42 PM
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Think about that for a second. Fox is the only station who criticised Obama's acceptance speech. Every other station thought it was inspiring and history-making. Fox is the only station that praised the GOP convention and the acceptance speeches for Palin and McCain. Every other station thought the GOP was generally uninspiring and the speeches were very negative in tone. Fox is the only station saying McCain has a good chance at winning the election. Every other station have already placed their bets for Obama. So don't you think that the fact that Fox is alone on every issue possibly means that they are the ones who are wrong? They are out of the loop.
And CNN and MSNBC are the only ones that criticized McCains the other night, even though he drew more viewers than Obama did. (i had to say that because im sure as you know it was a big thing with CNN for awaile)
I know it was inspiring and history-making...but only because of his race. Thats the ONLY reason. And i think that by saying it over and over again, its only saying that even more - and thats the negative way to go.
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Obama has been pressed on every issue so much that if you don't know exactly where he stands on every issue you haven't been paying attention. And to say if Bush's approval rating was high that Obama's policies would match his is ridiculous. Obama's had the same policies and positions since Bush had a higher approval rating. He spoke out against the war when a lot of Americans were throwing in with Bush and trusting that he'd make America safer. The fact that Bush's approval rating is at rock bottom is not the reason Obama's policies negate his. Obama's policies negate Bush's because Bush has been wrong 90% of the time.
No - just last night i heard them say that Obama said hes open to change his policy on off shore drilling. So its not that people arent paying attention, its that he changes his mind according to who hes talking too. Only ONE news station can figure that out. And seriously i wish he would STOP with this whole 'just like Bush' thing - its getting old. But i suppose thats all hes got left...sad kinda.
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What does being President have to do with race? Tell me that.
And i HOPE ur wrong about what ur saying. I know you are in fact. There are many white supporters of Obama and there are many black supporters of McCain.
If an intelligent person follows this race at all - they will know it should have to do with issues. NOT race.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 1:43:05 PM
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I think before the RNC, Obama was the favorite in polls and McCain's camp was losing steam and support.
Post RNC and the Palin speech, it will be close. If the Reps can maintain steam ahead and take away some of the luster of Obama, by showing he was relying greatly on speaking abilities and not a resume full of comprehensive leadership experience (his strengths are in working with minority rights and ethics reform and having a popular position on universal healthcare, but so much on foreign policy...he's seen as never being tested in that important area in his prior experience), then they can chip away at the lead and possibly overtake Obama.
It will be close, because as much as the Reps are energized now with a new image of McCain and admiration of Palin, the big issues is still the economy. Many people believe McCain's tax cuts for large corporations and decreased spending on public welfare will not sit well with Americans. (though drilling is good) ....McCain/Palin can certainly attack Obama's lack of comprehensive experience to be in Oval Office, which is true. Obama is experiences, but not in a well-rounded way like McCain. But given McCain's prior history of agreement with the Bush regime, it is a challenge to distinguish himself as a better leader on domestic issues.
Here's how it could look (to viewers, not me....):
McCain (+ foreign policy, + character + non-partisan work, + tackling "old-school" Washington do-nothing spenders/corruption/ - domestic concerns, - speaking ability, - age)
Obama (+ domestic issues, + character, + speaking ability/age/likeability, - foreign policy experience, - executive experience)
I think it'll be a close call. If McCain/Palin continue their direct attacks on Obama and Obama loses luster and people starting looking wide-eyed at McCain (despite his ties to Bush), then McCain/Palin could take over in the end of a close race.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 1:50:25 PM
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I know it was inspiring and history-making...but only because of his race. Thats the ONLY reason.
It may be history-making because of his race. But it wasn't inspiring because of his race. It was inspiring because of the things he said.
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No - just last night i heard them say that Obama said hes open to change his policy on off shore drilling.
You heard "them" say Obama's open to changing his policy on off shore oil drilling. You haven't heard Obama say that. Obama's never said that. If he has I'll have to request a source.
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And seriously i wish he would STOP with this whole 'just like Bush' thing - its getting old.
You wish he'd stop because he's right and it's working. McCain is McSame as Bush. He's voted with Bush 90% of the time. That's a 10% chance of change. Good luck.
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RE: Who do you think is going to win? McCain or Obama? - 9/6/2008 2:00:09 PM
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Obama. I think the country is tired with war, education funding and loss of jobs. We nee to fix what's broken in our own country instead of worring about everyone else.
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