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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/6/2008 11:40:53 PM
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TMeeks
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Right outcome. Wrong reason.
Tell us how anything the democrats would do to do better? My guess is that it will be based on greed and envy at the bottom. Materialism can be found at all economic levels.
Obama will 'give us' universal health care.
Obama will 'give us' more social programs.
Obama will put more LOCAL cops on the street.
All of these require funds. And, Obama would take money from you to feed my greed and take money from me to feed your greed. Both of us would be deing duped into thinking we are getting more than it costs us.
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you know even a Democrat like myself would admit that McCain could never ruin our nation any worse than the way Cowboy W has. However, I believe that 4 more years of trickle down economics will wipe out the middle class. If our country has to be subjected to 12 years of Republican dictatorship, we will soon be like the Dominican Republic. Either filthy rich or Dirt poor, no middle class.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/6/2008 11:45:37 PM
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Did the Democrats invite a single speaker to lift up Christ at their convention. Not one. But, Joe Gibbs was very clear about the person and work of Jesus Christ... right from the floor of the Republican Convention and going into, perhaps, the largest audience ever to watch a political convention.
The democrat party would NEVER, EVER permit that to happen.
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Really?
How could we?
Did you see anything Christlike exhibited last night?
I did'nt.
(and before the TRACY fans jump on, yes, I know my own behavior has not been up to par either lately)
But really
This is what we as Christians want?!
Im really dissapointed in your comments lately, tracydolls.
If you listened to McCains speech tonight you will see that he mentioned God 5 times and blessed twice. I counted just for you...lol
Anyone who thinks this team isnt on the side of God needs their head examined. Either that or they have been brainwashed by Obama.
Either way its quite a scary thought.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/6/2008 11:50:07 PM
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I joined the 'how many houses' arguement and I have 1 house; last time I checked Obama and Biden each have 1 as well.
I agree both John and Cindy McCain are very classy.
However, as I have said before, their lives are far removed from mine, and the fact that they think that people that complain about the current economy are whiners shows just how far removed they are.
Actually neither John nor Cindy McCain ever said people were whiners - and unless you are a millionairess, Obama's life isn't any closer. Probably the closest to me would be Sarah Palin.
I see - so you discount the fact that Obama worked his way from modest means to go to Harvard. You discount the fact that Biden came from middle class as well and to this day still takes the same train, and knows all the workers on this traing, to DC everyday.
I guess since they're Democrats, this just does not hold anything in these parts...that's pretty easy to see...
PS BTW, Though neither of the McCains publicly stated that we are whiners due to the ailing economy - McCain's advisor IS on the record for saying this. Ie, that is pretty much the sentiment of their campaign, else he/she would have been let go.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/6/2008 11:59:38 PM
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The people of this nation, our society, used to have two authorities the government and the Church.. both under God. These days the government has made itself autonomous, no longer under God and the Church is tolerated as long as it stays out of the public arena. The Church is well on it's way to becoming like the Indian nations. Allowed to exist as long as it stays on the reservation. The government has assumed the role of the All-Mighty and it cannot bear the mantle. J
Very, very well said!!! APPLAUSE!!!!! APPLAUSE!!!!
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/7/2008 12:01:24 AM
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Beware. Remember, some appears to be what they are not. Beware, what a person associates with... sits under or being mentor by.... they can't help become. If one associates
with angry people... they to will grow angry. Beware.
This is why I'm not voting for Obama. His associations and values.
~Dolli
P.S. yet, I will continue to pray for him... as I'm called to pray for all people.
AMEN!!!!!
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/7/2008 12:03:13 AM
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Did the Democrats invite a single speaker to lift up Christ at their convention. Not one. But, Joe Gibbs was very clear about the person and work of Jesus Christ... right from the floor of the Republican Convention and going into, perhaps, the largest audience ever to watch a political convention.
The democrat party would NEVER, EVER permit that to happen.
Didn't you LOVE Gibbs' speech?! Or was it a speech? More like sharing the Gospel!
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/7/2008 12:17:17 AM
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Oprah does it all the time too. Too many people do nowadays...
OH... I forgot about Oprah. Both sad and scary.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/7/2008 12:23:09 AM
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Oprah does it all the time too. Too many people do nowadays...
OH... I forgot about Oprah. Both sad and scary.
I know! Look at this - i dont know if uve seen it or not. But it made me ill.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=12p34fi30MM
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/7/2008 1:36:21 AM
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Standing up for the unborn, protecting the sanctity of marriage, defending our nation and our families from those who wish to destroy us, and letting people keep more of what they earn so that our economy will thrive....
I'd say that's a resounding yes....
Thank you tafkam!
As for the OP "How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin?" The abortion issue alone is a significant reason... that is unless you believe putting babies in a blender is Christ-like.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/7/2008 1:39:01 AM
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Oprah does it all the time too. Too many people do nowadays...
OH... I forgot about Oprah. Both sad and scary.
I know! Look at this - i dont know if uve seen it or not. But it made me ill.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=12p34fi30MM
Thessa, I'd heard about it, but hadn't actually seen it, (I don't watch Oprah). Watching it made me so very sad for her that she has become so very deceived. And what's so scary is the power and influence that she has. And her being Obama's biggest fan and supporter, doesn't say much for him does it?
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/7/2008 1:51:14 AM
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I joined the 'how many houses' arguement and I have 1 house; last time I checked Obama and Biden each have 1 as well.
I agree both John and Cindy McCain are very classy.
However, as I have said before, their lives are far removed from mine, and the fact that they think that people that complain about the current economy are whiners shows just how far removed they are.
Actually neither John nor Cindy McCain ever said people were whiners - and unless you are a millionairess, Obama's life isn't any closer. Probably the closest to me would be Sarah Palin.
I see - so you discount the fact that Obama worked his way from modest means to go to Harvard. You discount the fact that Biden came from middle class as well and to this day still takes the same train, and knows all the workers on this traing, to DC everyday.
I guess since they're Democrats, this just does not hold anything in these parts...that's pretty easy to see...
PS BTW, Though neither of the McCains publicly stated that we are whiners due to the ailing economy - McCain's advisor IS on the record for saying this. Ie, that is pretty much the sentiment of their campaign, else he/she would have been let go.
Peace and God bless,
Biden is also on the record lying repeatedly about his education. I think they may have sunk the hair plugs too deep.
Biden and BO are also both on the record for wanting it legal to stab babies.
BO is also on the record saying Americans cling to their guns, religion and intolerance of people different than themselves.
You don't even know who said some Americans are whiners, yet you pretend to know that they still work for the campaign. If you don't know who it was, how do you know where they work?
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/7/2008 2:53:59 AM
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The Bible that I read says a LEAF does not fall to the ground without G-d knowing.
Excuse my interruption, but I thought my Bible said sparrow.
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Thank you for correcting me.
Forgive me if I offended.
Thankfully we serve a God that can see the heart! I was not trying to misquote anything. I did though.
I was thinking of these verses concerning the weather and if He controls it.
Psa 148:7 Praise the LORD from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps:
Psa 148:8 Fire, and hail; snow, and vapour; stormy wind fulfilling his word: Psa 148:9 Mountains, and all hills; fruitful trees, and all cedars:
Psa 148:10 Beasts, and all cattle; creeping things, and flying fowl:
Psa 148:11 Kings of the earth, and all people; princes, and all judges of the earth:
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/7/2008 3:22:54 AM
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The Bible that I read says a LEAF does not fall to the ground without G-d knowing.
Excuse my interruption, but I thought my Bible said sparrow.
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Thank you for correcting me.
Forgive me if I offended.
Thankfully we serve a God that can see the heart! I was not trying to misquote anything. I did though.
I was thinking of these verses concerning the weather and if He controls it.
Psa 148:7 Praise the LORD from the earth, ye dragons, and all deeps:
Psa 148:8 Fire, and hail; snow, and vapour; stormy wind fulfilling his word: Psa 148:9 Mountains, and all hills; fruitful trees, and all cedars:
Psa 148:10 Beasts, and all cattle; creeping things, and flying fowl:
Psa 148:11 Kings of the earth, and all people; princes, and all judges of the earth:
Oh Tracy, I am the one who needs your forgiveness.
I posted that with wrong intent and the Holy Spirit has been convicting me since.
I am so sorry for any embarrassment I caused you. 
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/7/2008 6:10:35 AM
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http://www.alaskareport.com/z46286_palin_budget.htm
"""The Governor vetoed nearly a quarter of a billion dollars of projects contained within Senate Bill 53. Establishing a budget process, the Governor focused her decisions on the Constitutionally-mandated services of education, public safety and health, and infrastructure."""
Does this mean she cut money for these 4 items?
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/7/2008 8:26:32 AM
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Oprah does it all the time too. Too many people do nowadays...
OH... I forgot about Oprah. Both sad and scary.
I know! Look at this - i dont know if uve seen it or not. But it made me ill.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=12p34fi30MM
Thessa, I'd heard about it, but hadn't actually seen it, (I don't watch Oprah). Watching it made me so very sad for her that she has become so very deceived. And what's so scary is the power and influence that she has. And her being Obama's biggest fan and supporter, doesn't say much for him does it?
Im with you - i can barely stand to look at her now. And that whole 'new earth' thing she did i watched some of on you tube just to see what it was and its the same thing - denying Jesus. Sad woman. Hopefully she learns the truth before its too late.
All her money on Earth sure wont get her to Heaven thats for sure. She cant buy her way in.
And no it dosent say a thing for Obama that shes his big supporter - but it certainly dosent suprise me. But i do think honestly that if he was white she wouldnt give him a second glance. She has never ever voiced her opinion so strongly about a President before this election. Imagine that...?
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/7/2008 2:19:36 PM
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Abortions are just as bad as killing children for oil.
Yes, IF we were killing children for oil. That is not the case.
Amazing how some people feel if you repeat a lie long enough, folks will think it is true...
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/7/2008 3:15:02 PM
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I don't like liberal, conservative, all the labels. I'm a Christian.
Me too. It's very ahrd to vote when you agree with things on both sides and then throw in your own beliefs. MAkes my head spin.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/7/2008 3:30:51 PM
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Abortions are just as bad as killing children for oil.
Where DO you get this information? Do you know that all the wars that America has fought in since the Revolutionary War, not one of them has been aggressive to gain land/power for America? Even in the first Iraq war. I have no doubt in my mind that Hussein had manufactured weapons of mass destruction. If you really want some interesting reading, I suggest you pick up or borrow some of the MANY biographies of survivors from the Iraq Hussein regime. (And I'm not talking about TIME magazine.) Far less innocent civilians have been killed than babies aborted. AND - far less innocent civilians have been killed during the war then under the regime - and less civilians have been killed by our troops then Americans on 9/11.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/9/2008 8:19:35 AM
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I joined the 'how many houses' arguement and I have 1 house; last time I checked Obama and Biden each have 1 as well.
I agree both John and Cindy McCain are very classy.
However, as I have said before, their lives are far removed from mine, and the fact that they think that people that complain about the current economy are whiners shows just how far removed they are.
Actually neither John nor Cindy McCain ever said people were whiners - and unless you are a millionairess, Obama's life isn't any closer. Probably the closest to me would be Sarah Palin.
I see - so you discount the fact that Obama worked his way from modest means to go to Harvard. You discount the fact that Biden came from middle class as well and to this day still takes the same train, and knows all the workers on this traing, to DC everyday.
I guess since they're Democrats, this just does not hold anything in these parts...that's pretty easy to see...
PS BTW, Though neither of the McCains publicly stated that we are whiners due to the ailing economy - McCain's advisor IS on the record for saying this. Ie, that is pretty much the sentiment of their campaign, else he/she would have been let go.
Peace and God bless,
Biden is also on the record lying repeatedly about his education. I think they may have sunk the hair plugs too deep.
Biden and BO are also both on the record for wanting it legal to stab babies.
BO is also on the record saying Americans cling to their guns, religion and intolerance of people different than themselves.
You don't even know who said some Americans are whiners, yet you pretend to know that they still work for the campaign. If you don't know who it was, how do you know where they work?
Lines 1-3 are your usual dish that I won't address since I have with you many times before.
Line 4: It was Phil Gramm, his senior camp. advisor who said we're a bunch of whiners.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/9/2008 8:40:01 AM
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First, Biden, I understand, takes the Acela each day, which, according to posted rates, costs TAXPAYERS 250.00 PER DAY between Washington, DC and Wilmington, Delaware. I don't know how many days he does this. But, each week costs YOU, I and the other taxpayers a total of $1,250 PER WEEK just for his commute.
If he had a home in the DC suburbs, he's actually have to pay for that himself and it would probably take him just as long to commute to work. I know that my commute is as long or longer than his (1 hour and 15 minutes) each day. And, the people of the United States don't pay my commuting costs!
The owners of plantations knew every slave or sharcropper that worked for them. So, what does the fact that Biden happens to know the train workers have to do with how he feels about them? How could he NOT know them, doing it every day.
I have NO idea why the fact that Biden rides an exclusively First Class train somehow makes him a man of the people???? Most likely, the only non-elite people on that train are the workers! It's bizarrely democrat in its logic.
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I joined the 'how many houses' arguement and I have 1 house; last time I checked Obama and Biden each have 1 as well.
I agree both John and Cindy McCain are very classy.
However, as I have said before, their lives are far removed from mine, and the fact that they think that people that complain about the current economy are whiners shows just how far removed they are.
Actually neither John nor Cindy McCain ever said people were whiners - and unless you are a millionairess, Obama's life isn't any closer. Probably the closest to me would be Sarah Palin.
I see - so you discount the fact that Obama worked his way from modest means to go to Harvard. You discount the fact that Biden came from middle class as well and to this day still takes the same train, and knows all the workers on this traing, to DC everyday.
I guess since they're Democrats, this just does not hold anything in these parts...that's pretty easy to see...
PS BTW, Though neither of the McCains publicly stated that we are whiners due to the ailing economy - McCain's advisor IS on the record for saying this. Ie, that is pretty much the sentiment of their campaign, else he/she would have been let go.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/9/2008 9:04:39 AM
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The people of this nation, our society, used to have two authorities the government and the Church.. both under God. These days the government has made itself autonomous, no longer under God and the Church is tolerated as long as it stays out of the public arena. The Church is well on it's way to becoming like the Indian nations. Allowed to exist as long as it stays on the reservation. The government has assumed the role of the All-Mighty and it cannot bear the mantle. J
Preach it!!!! The government for many people and even far to many professing Christians their Provider, Sustainer, and Savior.
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