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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 8:41:23 PM
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FreddieD
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What do you think Biblical Wars were about? Isn't God the same today as He was yesterday?
psalm116, it appears that you are very devoted to your religion but let me assure you that:
“The truth will set you free”
Leave the idea that war, genocide, or slavery is from God. Look at the facts of your pick. It could mean your future, maybe not in heaven but on Earth.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 8:53:41 PM
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However, in that respect, McCain seems pretty far removed from the rest of us; and either him or one of his staff dismissed peoples concerns over the economy. So, in that respect - I guess if you do own 8 houses, then the economy probably is pretty darn good!
Here's the scoop on John Kerry's houses here
Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, John Edwards the Clinton's all have multiple homes and are worth millions, yet we do not hear anything when they state they are more in touch with the poor. The whole house thing is just plain goofy ... irrelevant ... and hypocritical for those who are making a big fuss over it.
In comparison to Obama, who started from very modest means to get where he is; and Joe Biden who also came from a working middle class family - to me, this is VERY relevant.
Last time I heard, McCain was not running against any of those you mentioned.
Peace and God bless,
The point is these people joined in with the "how many houses argument" and they each had quite a few themselves.
I do not think owning a bunch of houses is a bad thing, especially when they are for the use of various family members, as is the case with McCain. Cindy is the actual owner. Her dad started with nothing as we saw in the bio clip for Mrs. McCain. He also installed a value system in his children that resulted in her reaching out to the poor in a very real way. She has demonstrated over the past 30 years a life of service to those who are in need. I do not think the McCain's will have difficulty relating to those who are struggling.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 8:56:08 PM
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Leave the idea that war, genocide, or slavery is from God. Look at the facts of your pick. It could mean your future, maybe not in heaven but on Earth.
'Look at the facts of your pick'.
What does that mean exactly?
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 9:05:03 PM
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What do you think Biblical Wars were about? Isn't God the same today as He was yesterday?
psalm116, it appears that you are very devoted to your religion but let me assure you that:
“The truth will set you free”
Devoted to religion? No. To Christ? Yes.
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Leave the idea that war, genocide, or slavery is from God. Look at the facts of your pick. It could mean your future, maybe not in heaven but on Earth.
FreddieD
????? No, I don't believe all war, genocide or slavery is from God. Please don't put words in my mouth.
Have you read the Bible, especially the old testament? Lots of "holy wars" in there. Even some that were advocated by God. Scripture tells us that He is the same today, yesterday and today. So, if He chose to advocate a "holy war" today He would.
This is why we need Christian leaders in high office in order to discern the Holy Spirit.
Devoted to religion? No. To Christ? Yes.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 9:15:26 PM
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I'm not offended at all, another Tracy D fan!
And proud of it!  LOL!
Freddie, maybe it was God's will to get rid of the Hussein regime. And no I'm not for the quote religious wars end of quote. Abba Yah has a mysterious way of moving totally contrary to our ways.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 9:17:17 PM
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Leave the idea that war, genocide, or slavery is from God. Look at the facts of your pick. It could mean your future, maybe not in heaven but on Earth.
FreddieD
Translators please! Anyone ...Anyone??
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 9:24:01 PM
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However, in that respect, McCain seems pretty far removed from the rest of us; and either him or one of his staff dismissed peoples concerns over the economy. So, in that respect - I guess if you do own 8 houses, then the economy probably is pretty darn good!
Here's the scoop on John Kerry's houses here
Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, John Edwards the Clinton's all have multiple homes and are worth millions, yet we do not hear anything when they state they are more in touch with the poor. The whole house thing is just plain goofy ... irrelevant ... and hypocritical for those who are making a big fuss over it.
In comparison to Obama, who started from very modest means to get where he is; and Joe Biden who also came from a working middle class family - to me, this is VERY relevant.
Last time I heard, McCain was not running against any of those you mentioned.
Peace and God bless,
The point is these people joined in with the "how many houses argument" and they each had quite a few themselves.
I do not think owning a bunch of houses is a bad thing, especially when they are for the use of various family members, as is the case with McCain. Cindy is the actual owner. Her dad started with nothing as we saw in the bio clip for Mrs. McCain. He also installed a value system in his children that resulted in her reaching out to the poor in a very real way. She has demonstrated over the past 30 years a life of service to those who are in need. I do not think the McCain's will have difficulty relating to those who are struggling.
I joined the 'how many houses' arguement and I have 1 house; last time I checked Obama and Biden each have 1 as well.
I agree both John and Cindy McCain are very classy.
However, as I have said before, their lives are far removed from mine, and the fact that they think that people that complain about the current economy are whiners shows just how far removed they are.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 9:26:46 PM
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Exodus 15:2-say's that God is a man of war. Battle of Armeggidon-He fights that. Certain peoples he did want to be wipe out. This seems mean or somewhat odd but when you read the Bible it shows that our God is an awesome sovereign God.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 9:51:42 PM
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I joined the 'how many houses' arguement and I have 1 house; last time I checked Obama and Biden each have 1 as well.
I agree both John and Cindy McCain are very classy.
However, as I have said before, their lives are far removed from mine, and the fact that they think that people that complain about the current economy are whiners shows just how far removed they are.
Actually neither John nor Cindy McCain ever said people were whiners - and unless you are a millionairess, Obama's life isn't any closer. Probably the closest to me would be Sarah Palin.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/5/2008 11:11:44 PM
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I was thinking of having a few bumper stickers made up: "Tray D 2012". Whaddya think?
RMBAOTF!!! LOL! Ok. wiping the tears from eyes.
When the vetters called and ask me
Have you ever been in a "group" that was controversial, I would hang up.
I used to run with a group in my college days that would make Rev. Wright look like a lamb!
And if they didnt have that one pic of me.......
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/6/2008 1:16:38 AM
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I joined the 'how many houses' arguement and I have 1 house; last time I checked Obama and Biden each have 1 as well.
I agree both John and Cindy McCain are very classy.
However, as I have said before, their lives are far removed from mine, and the fact that they think that people that complain about the current economy are whiners shows just how far removed they are.
Actually neither John nor Cindy McCain ever said people were whiners - and unless you are a millionairess, Obama's life isn't any closer. Probably the closest to me would be Sarah Palin.
Experience indicates that saying the McCains called people whiners will be repeated ad nauseum no matter that it is not true.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/6/2008 1:41:37 AM
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Excuse my interruption, but I thought my Bible said sparrow.
I'm probaly saying it wrong trying to condense but the verse I'm thinking of is in Psalms?
My point was this... G-d ordains everything! Right? Weather?
Maybe we could make another thread. I have some questions myself about it.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/6/2008 2:37:51 AM
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Tracydolls i really hope you learn more about the bible and what a true Christian is soon. I fear that you are listening to the wrong people.
Ya know the other day when you wrote about Hurricane Gustav being a sign from God that he is against the Reublicans...? Guess who else said that? Michael Moore. An atheist.
Im not saying YOU are one, because i know you arent, but i think you are being possibly influenced by people outside of your realm.
Michael Moore says he is a Catholic. He will be on LKL tonight so we will see.
Also as mentioned on that thread your talking about Chrisitans asked Jesus about this same thing. I gave you the Scriptures then. in Luke.
What is a True Christian--one that lines up with the rightwingers?
Or one that TRYS to follow Christ and what He stood for?
The Bible that I read says a LEAF does not fall to the ground without G-d knowing.
the Hurricane helped Mccain, he was able to CANCEL the Bush Speech.
Michael Moore is not a Catholic. He dosent believe in God.
Do you think a believer of God would make that statement and also a statement like this?
There's a gullible side to the American people. They can be easily misled. Religion is the best device used to mislead them.
Tracy i dont think i want to reply to you anymore. You arent listening to anyone. God Bless You and i hope you find the answers you seek.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/6/2008 5:38:04 AM
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Michael Moore is not a Catholic. He dosent believe in God.
Do you think a believer of God would make that statement and also a statement like this?
Many believers in G-d think He has something to do with the weather.
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There's a gullible side to the American people. They can be easily misled. Religion is the best device used to mislead them.
That's a true statement. To me, there is a difference between G-d
and religion.
Hindu is a religion.
Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, to visit orphans and widows in their afflictions, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.
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Tracy i dont think i want to reply to you anymore. You arent listening to anyone. God Bless You and i hope you find the answers you seek.
G-d Bless you also Thessa.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/6/2008 8:07:59 AM
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Excuse my interruption, but I thought my Bible said sparrow.
I'm probaly saying it wrong trying to condense but the verse I'm thinking of is in Psalms?
My point was this... G-d ordains everything! Right? Weather?
Maybe we could make another thread. I have some questions myself about it.
Hi tracydolls,
I just want to encourage you to read the word before misquoting it... let me say it another way.
It would be wise to use the crosswalk bible studytools to see if you're stating the word of God correctly. It is a wonderful tool to use to study the Bible as well. It will give you a better understanding of His Word. You do not want to mishandle the Word, for it really does enlightens another individual's life and your's as well when properly used. That is why Christians are encourage to study the word, so that they can discern when anyone (even Pastors, so called Prophets, as well as the media) twist or put a spin on it. See the person who corrected you
was able to discern that you misquoted scripture... they were did not readily accept was feed to her. This is how saints will guard their walk and not be deceived in the end time.
The Bible can not be discern with human intellect... it just becomes another story book to such a mindset. Those who do not have the Teacher, Comforter, The Holy Spirit, to reveal and teach them are unable to comprehend the meat of the Word of God... The Treasure... The Mystery of the Revealation of the God's Spoken Word... His Truth. So many theologian do not know Word.
They have a head knowledge... the have a form of godliness, yet denying the Power there within the Truth... The Holy Spirit empowering those who accepted Jesus Christ as the True Living God, the Son of God as Lord of their Life. Recognizing they are not capable to do a good work unto the Lord Almighty without Him.
So unless you are truly His, no matter how much you quote or study... you will not be able to have His Truth to enable you to be free to obey and accomplish the purpose He design you to compete for His Glory. You know God did design you to accomplish many God works for His Glory. But, He gave you free will to choose to do so, or not to do it. I know what I speak for I've not done the works He has called me to do as of yet. (This is why Palin truly inspire me,
she is doing the call of God on her life).
So if you not committed to Christ as of yet, then do so. I would love to call you my sister in the Lord. Then study the word, and ask the Lord to enlighten you mind to know, understand and how to apply its truth. It is so full of wonderful wisdom and solutions to many of lives problems.
You're on crosswalk website, so take advantage to use the study tools it provides. You do not have to misquote another scripture ever again, however, it is important you know the context of what you're quoting.
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/6/2008 1:42:18 PM
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I don't care one bit if any of them are Christian or not. I would care if one was a muslim.
What I do care about is the person's values. To get my support a candidate must have traditional American conservative values... like McCain, not Marxist values like Obama.
Give me less federal government and more local control. Give me lower taxes and don't make me responsible for people who make bad decisions with their finances and with their lives in general. Don't make me responsible for people who live in flood plains or below sea level. I will give if I am inclined but do not take my money and give it to others... it breeds corruption and waste. I would really love a repeal of the 17th ammendment so that power might beging to return to the state and local level. Break up the teachers unions. I love the way McCain stood against the poor education system we now have that further harms our children by teaching "self esteem" without acheivement. It used to be that children were well taught and expected to excell, they were rewarded for excellence. Since the failure of the education system to teach and expect excellence the system now pushes "self esteem" for simply trying... because to expect excellence would point now to the system's failure. So the children are further harmed to keep the failure of the system from exposure.
I see a lot of good that can come from the McCain/Palin ticket and i really look forward to the time when we can have a true leader like Palin in the oval office. Maybe we can return to greatness and honor... maybe.
J
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/6/2008 2:25:29 PM
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I don't care one bit if any of them are Christian or not. I would care if one was a muslim.
What I do care about is the person's values. To get my support a candidate must have traditional American conservative values... like McCain, not Marxist values like Obama.
J
J, I agree that if we have to choose between two non-Christians I will go with the one that most reflects my values. But don't you think Christian values adds icing to the cake?
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/6/2008 11:09:56 PM
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Yes but... Clinton claims to be a Christian, as well as Kerry, and Bush, any number of politicians say they are Christian. They may be, I don't know. I choose to look at their stance on the issues. Ted Nugent does not claim to be a Christian but he is a strong conservative traditional American. His values are pretty much mine. Personal responsibility and freedom... sort of a 19th century mindset. I sometimes think that I was born 100 years late. The people of this nation, our society, used to have two authorities the government and the Church.. both under God. These days the government has made itself autonomous, no longer under God and the Church is tolerated as long as it stays out of the public arena. The Church is well on it's way to becoming like the Indian nations. Allowed to exist as long as it stays on the reservation. The government has assumed the role of the All-Mighty and it cannot bear the mantle.
I will just be happy with someone who promoted personal responsibility, capitialism, and freedom.. and life. The people do not have a right to healthcare, or happiness, or housing, or anything like that. The people have a right to pursue these things but not at the expense of others.
Just give me someone who thinks like that.
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I don't care one bit if any of them are Christian or not. I would care if one was a muslim.
What I do care about is the person's values. To get my support a candidate must have traditional American conservative values... like McCain, not Marxist values like Obama.
J
J, I agree that if we have to choose between two non-Christians I will go with the one that most reflects my values. But don't you think Christian values adds icing to the cake?
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RE: How could a Christian support Mccain/Palin? - 9/6/2008 11:28:47 PM
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not Marxist values like Obama.
This is a true statement. Beware. Remember, some appears to be what they are not. Beware, what a person associates with... sits under or being mentor by.... they can't help become. If one associates
with angry people... they to will grow angry. Beware.
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