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JesusFan -> Scriptures on Abortion? (9/2/2008 12:43:54 PM)

Hi! Could someone give me some scriptures that directly state that abortion is wrong because a fetus is considered to be alive from the moment of conception, and not just a "bunch of cells" as some people like to call it? The only one I've ever heard of is the one where when Mary greeted Elizabeth, the baby leaped in Elizabeth's womb. That one might sound a bit vague to someone who believes in abortion. It occurred to me that I don't know of any other scripture verses that refer to this, and it would be helpful to know some so that if I ever get into a discussion of this nature with a non-believer and they ask just where in the bible it says abortion is wrong.



BarryLee -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/2/2008 12:51:46 PM)

There are probably others, but I think this might help.

Psalm 139

13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. 14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, 16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.



JesusFan -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/2/2008 1:21:20 PM)

That's a good one, thanks.



frankman -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/2/2008 3:22:55 PM)

Psalm 139:13-16 (already quoted in Post#2)

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

Deut.5:17 "You shall not murder."

If you get into a discussion with an unbeliever about abortion being wrong and they committed this sin, be sure to remind them that they can also be forgiven of this sin if they confess it and ask God for forgivness according to Psalm 103:3+4. "who forgives all your sins and heals all your diseases, who redeems your life from the pit and crowns you with love and compassion."



Liveloved -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/2/2008 3:25:09 PM)

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Psalm 139

13 For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. 14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. 15 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, 16 your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be.


JesusFan, This is the scripture I was going to point you to as well. And IMO no one (with any science background) really believes there is a question of when life begins. It begins at conception. The question is do we have the right to choose to end that life.



bettymackII -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/2/2008 4:10:53 PM)

Interesting read!
Aren't we thankful that our mothers did not abort us![:)]
I was very impressed with such appropriate Bible verses to
prove that abortion is not scriptural.

On the other hand, if someone who has had an abortion,can be assured that
God will forgive them. Ask God to forgive you!



colliefan -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/2/2008 8:33:46 PM)

While not directly related to abortion, per se, look up all the verses that relate to the pagan god Molech. Individuals offered up their infants as sacrifices placing them into a furnance burning them up; the Israelites went after this god instead of Jehovah.



phyl2 -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/3/2008 12:54:56 AM)

This is my favorite:

Now choose life, so that you and your children may live. Deut. 30:19b

Ok, I know this isn't really having to do with abortion, but I think God makes His viewpoint clear that He wants us to choose life.



JesusFan -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/3/2008 11:34:23 AM)

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If you get into a discussion with an unbeliever about abortion being wrong and they committed this sin, be sure to remind them that they can also be forgiven of this sin if they confess it and ask God for forgivness according to Psalm 103:3+4. "who forgives all your sins and heals all your diseases, who redeems your life from the pit and crowns you with love and compassion."


Absolutely! [:)]



JesusFan -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/3/2008 11:37:27 AM)

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The question is do we have the right to choose to end that life.


Actually, we DO have the right to choose--either keep the baby, or give it up for adoption. As far as I'm concerned, there are no other alternatives! [;)]



Row1 -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/4/2008 9:26:06 AM)

Carenet, a crisis pregnancy support agency, does Bible studies focused on helping women who have had abortions explore, understand, and accept God's forgiveness.

You can 'google' carenet to see if there is a location near you. I know there are other similar organizations, but I am not familiar with them.



Liveloved -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/4/2008 4:47:40 PM)

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Liveloved
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The question is do we have the right to choose to end that life.

quote:
JesusFan

Actually, we DO have the right to choose--either keep the baby, or give it up for adoption. As far as I'm concerned, there are no other alternatives!


And we DO NOT have the right to choose murder. Amen.



Theophile2 -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/7/2008 10:31:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colliefan

While not directly related to abortion, per se, look up all the verses that relate to the pagan god Molech. Individuals offered up their infants as sacrifices placing them into a furnance burning them up; the Israelites went after this god instead of Jehovah.


Actually, along with Psalm 139:13-16, Jeremiah 1:5 and Deut. 5:17 this is a very good point. If a fetus is a baby (and it is), and God was furious at the pagans (and Israelites) for sacrificing babies to a deaf, dumb, blind, lifeless statue ... if you look into it further, for the purposes of presuming it will lead to a "fruitful" harvest (i.e., for monetary gain) - what do you suppose God thinks of people today who do the murdering of babies still in their mother's wombs - for monetary gain (the Planned Parenthood - abortion clinic ring), or because the burden of the baby will be too much of a financial drain on the mother/family, or the baby will limit the future opportunities (monetary gain) of the mother/family, or any reason other than to keep the baby or put it up for adoption.

In other words, a study on God's attitude toward the sacrificing of babies in the OT is perfectly applicable to God's attitude toward abortion today.

But as with others, I can't end this post without saying that there is no sin that God cannot forgive if a man or woman who has engaged in this behavior in the past will turn from their ways, acknowledge to God that this is a sin, repent of it and never do it again. And God will forgive them and cleanse them from all unrighteousness.

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Theophile2 -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/7/2008 11:02:54 PM)

More thoughts:

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

Isaiah 49:5 And now the LORD says-- he who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I am honored in the eyes of the LORD and my God has been my strength--

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Genesis 25:23
Genesis 25:24
Genesis 29:31
Genesis 30:2
Genesis 30:22
Genesis 38:27
Genesis 49:25
Exodus 13:2
Numbers 8:16
Numbers 12:12
Deuteronomy 7:13
Judges 13:5
Judges 13:7
Judges 16:17
Ruth 1:11
1 Samuel 1:5
1 Samuel 1:6
Job 1:21
Job 3:10
Job 3:11
Job 10:18
Job 10:19
Job 24:20
Job 31:15 - (2)
Job 31:18
Job 38:8
Job 38:29
Psalms 22:9
Psalms 22:10
Psalms 58:3
Psalms 71:6
Psalms 110:3
Psalms 127:3
Psalms 139:13
Proverbs 30:16
Proverbs 31:2
Ecclesiastes 5:15
Ecclesiastes 11:5
Isaiah 13:18
Isaiah 44:2
Isaiah 44:24
Isaiah 46:3
Isaiah 48:8
Isaiah 49:1
Isaiah 49:5
Isaiah 49:15
Isaiah 66:9
Jeremiah 1:5
Jeremiah 20:17 - (2)
Jeremiah 20:18
Ezekiel 20:26
Hosea 9:11
Hosea 9:14
Hosea 9:16
Hosea 12:3
Matthew 19:12
Luke 1:15
Luke 1:31
Luke 1:41
Luke 1:42
Luke 1:44
Luke 2:21
Luke 2:23
Luke 11:27
John 3:4
Acts 3:2
Acts 14:8
Romans 4:19
Galatians 1:15

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tcasboy -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/9/2008 10:24:31 AM)

Abortion was widely practiced during the times of the old and new testament and the bible does not specifically condemn this.



drmark -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/9/2008 10:52:08 AM)

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Abortion was widely practiced during the times of the old and new testament and the bible does not specifically condemn this.
Pardon me? Exodus 20:13 is most specific - You shall not kill an innocent person!



john_mark -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/9/2008 2:49:01 PM)

i would add the following passage to support the position that the unborn child is to be treated as human

exodus 21

22 "If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges {decide.} 23 "But if there is {any further} injury, then you shall appoint {as a penalty} life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.



Theophile2 -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/9/2008 3:54:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tcasboy

Abortion was widely practiced during the times of the old and new testament and the bible does not specifically condemn this.


May the Lord grant you, tcasboy, the gift of loving what He loves, of turning from what He turns, and having compassion on what He has compassion for.

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Bluethread -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/9/2008 5:10:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tcasboy

Abortion was widely practiced during the times of the old and new testament and the bible does not specifically condemn this.


If you can point to a case or cases where Adonai accepts this behavior, you might have a point. However, This idea that a specific issue in a specific circumstance not specifically addressed by a specific Scripture is proof that it is acceptable is falacious.



tcasboy -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/10/2008 10:26:05 AM)

The bible is normally very specific about religious law, describing the nature of the offense in great detail as well as the punishment.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2022:13-29&version=49;

Why would it be so obtuse in regards to abortion. Why is there no straight forward reference to killing an unborn child?



drmark -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/10/2008 10:31:09 AM)

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Why would it be so obtuse in regards to abortion. Why is there no straight forward reference to killing an unborn child?
One more time, tcasboy, can you please explain what is "so obtuse" about Exodus 20:13? Is killing an unborn child murder or not?



tcasboy -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/10/2008 10:34:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: drmark

quote:

Abortion was widely practiced during the times of the old and new testament and the bible does not specifically condemn this.
Pardon me? Exodus 20:13 is most specific - You shall not kill an innocent person!


In biblical times, not even infants or children were considered "persons". One could kill their infant or sell their child into slavery if they wished.


The bible does not condom this practice either.



tcasboy -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/10/2008 10:41:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: drmark

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Why would it be so obtuse in regards to abortion. Why is there no straight forward reference to killing an unborn child?
One more time, tcasboy, can you please explain what is "so obtuse" about Exodus 20:13? Is killing an unborn child murder or not?


By definition, murder is the "illegal" killing of a human. As long as abortion is legal, it is not murder.



tcasboy -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/10/2008 10:49:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: drmark

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Abortion was widely practiced during the times of the old and new testament and the bible does not specifically condemn this.
Pardon me? Exodus 20:13 is most specific - You shall not kill an innocent person!


Can we apply this to all killing of innocent persons, such as the bomber pilot ordered to destroy the house of a known terrorist knowing he will also kill the terrorists small children?



drmark -> RE: Scriptures on Abortion? (9/10/2008 11:25:22 AM)

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In biblical times, not even infants or children were considered "persons".
Reference please. Post #17 above indicates your opinion is faulty.

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By definition, murder is the "illegal" killing of a human
No, by definition murder is the killing of an innocent human being. Are you claiming unborn children are guilty of some capital offense?

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Can we apply this to all killing of innocent persons, such as the bomber pilot ordered to destroy the house of a known terrorist knowing he will also kill the terrorists small children?
How does this hypothetical relate to the OP, tcasboy? Are you really interested in discussing "Scriptures on Abortion" or just engaging us in your sociopolitical agenda?



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