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kingdust -> I Question You Answer (9/1/2008 10:50:07 AM)

I got inspired to start this thread by Job who got crushed by 'I question you answer' session with God.

However, 'I' can only either I or you, not God, since no one can play God, unless one is in the Spirit 100%.

Whoever can question or answer.

If one question answered satisfactorily, next question can be given in order to continue this session.
If it goes like the Merry-go-round, someone can stop the spin and start another spin.
There is no sticky rule to abide, except question and answer.

In answering, it is recommended to have at least a good logic or reason to support the answer, if possible.

My first question is this; can anybody give what he/she doesn't have?
Yes, no or maybe with explanation?
Of course I have more to this seemingly a simple question.



sen10tious -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/1/2008 12:46:08 PM)

To define terms, can "government" be considered an "anybody?"



deermousie -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/1/2008 1:06:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kingdust
My first question is this; can anybody give what he/she doesn't have?
Yes, no or maybe with explanation?
Of course I have more to this seemingly a simple question.


Yes, I think so. I gave my kid love, tenderness, concern and safety, but I didn't get that from my parents (who, had they been raising children now, would be in prison). However, that had to come from somewhere, so throwing God into the equation makes the answer a "no."

It's the same argument that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us and gave us salvation, turned inside-out (are you as confused as I am? [:D]) - can we receive something that we can't engender ourselves?

I think I'll go lie down a while...

LOL

Note: I used to teach ESL, and did not recognize anything in your writing that told me English wasn't your mother tongue. Congratulations!



GraceBro -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/1/2008 2:58:43 PM)

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My first question is this; can anybody give what he/she doesn't have?
Yes, no or maybe with explanation?


No, at least as far as something like unconditional love is concerned. Unconditional love is something that can only come from God. And only by recognizing that can we then share what we have received with others.

For example, most everyone has experienced a moment when they needed change for a dollar. It could have been to make a telephone call at a pay phone, or they may have wanted to purchase something at a vending machine which did not accept paper bills. When looking for change, a person will go on a quest. They may begin with people they already know. They may ask friends who are nearby. People generally don't ask those who they don't know, although it may be a good conversation starter. A cashier at a store would be able to help, but they may require you to purchase something. There may be another person who is also looking for change for a dollar. They may need the change for another purpose, but they aere still looking for the same thing. Depending on the environment, their quest may be difficult or easy.

Consider the situation described above. If we have two people who are looking for change for a dollar, and we can just find a way to get them together, then they will be complete. Any person with even the smallest sense of reality should easily be able to recognize that this is an absurd solution. How can two people who are looking for the same thing find it if we just bring them together? If we bring two people together looking for change for a dollar, they still need change for a dollar. Still, this is exactly how many people live their lives when it comes to building relationships with other people. If a man is looking for love, and a woman is looking for love, some how our society has made the irrational conclusion that bringing them together will make them complete. This is a common conflict that exists in virtually all marriages. Both persons seeking to obtain from each other, something neither of them have to give.

The only way to receive the love, acceptance and meaning and purpose to our lives is through recognizing what we already have been given as an inheritance through our faith in Jesus Christ. We have been totally loved, totally accepted, totally forgiven and much more. It is in this realization that we find our meaning and purpose to life as we look for every opportunity to present what we have received for the Lord with the world.

Grace and Peace



PopsiLufsJesus -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/1/2008 3:05:36 PM)

I have nothing to give apart from Christ. He gives through me...



sen10tious -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/1/2008 4:49:24 PM)

You can certainly redistribute things you do not have, but I do not know if that counts as giving or not. My mom would sometimes give my sister my stuff when she thought I did not "need" it.

In the area of emotions, you can certainly give what you do not have; for example ornery kids giving their mothers feelings of perplexity.

You hear about professional comedians who are miserable, yet they give an evening of laughter to a crowd. You can often give people better days even if you have only a bad one going on. But then in sharing the dreams and inspiration, you would have had the words, so perhaps that does not fully count either.

I think the hobby of scrapbooking has the potential for giving children a history even though the compiler has only the present.

And if you have ever sat through a creative writing class and had your work critiqued, then you KNOW you can give other people ideas that never even cast a shadow on your own thoughts.

For all of those examples, I had to tweak the meaning of "give" to mean perform, impart, convey, communicate, etc. In this strict definition of "give" from encarta dictionary: CORE MEANING: a verb used to indicate that somebody presents or delivers something that he or she owns to another person to keep or use; No, you could not. Ownership is part of that definition.

…but you can give in because you don't have something. [:)]



armydude -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/1/2008 5:49:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kingdust

My first question is this; can anybody give what he/she doesn't have?
Yes, no or maybe with explanation?
No. It cannot be done.
quote:


Of course I have more to this seemingly a simple question.
Of course.[;)]



kingdust -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/1/2008 6:13:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: GraceBro

No, at least as far as something like unconditional love is concerned. Unconditional love is something that can only come from God. And only by recognizing that can we then share what we have received with others.
Grace and Peace


Basically, like your answer, I believe no one can give what he/she doesn't have.
I think that is a life principle that can be applied in many ways and places beyond time limit.

Like I said, my question was inspired by the Book of Job where I found 3 good friends of Job trying to give Job something, a piece of advice or two, they didn't have, ending up adding insult upon injury.

Your love illustration I like, because that answers the core question in my question.
No, we don't have the kind of love others are looking for.

We try to love with what we have, the love known or defined by self, but we fail to give or find the kind of love we don't have but desired.

Only way to give what we don't have is basically to receive it first- my logical conclusion it is.

As for the Job's good friends, they couldn't give a wholesome counseling because they had no clue to what went on with Job who didn't even know what was with himself or God.

So, that question happens to be a answer to why God said, 'ask'.



small_creation -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/1/2008 6:48:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kingdust

My first question is this; can anybody give what he/she doesn't have?
Yes, no or maybe with explanation?
Of course I have more to this seemingly a simple question.


Well, since you didn't give an immediate answer to your own question -- using your assumption that there is was answer -- then I suppose yes, you can.

Is this a riddle??

j



kingdust -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/1/2008 8:48:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: small_creation

Well, since you didn't give an immediate answer to your own question -- using your assumption that there is was answer -- then I suppose yes, you can.

Is this a riddle??
j


Yes, no and maybe.

Yes, because life is full of riddle, mainly because of a lot of the unknown.

Job's ordeal was a kind of riddle to even good friends of Job, simply because they didn't know what went on in other realm beyond theirs.

You won't believe what a bottle of water can do to people.
If you hear me saying, 'I fell off my truck 5 times one day because of what it caused', you might scratch your head and say, ''that sounds like a riddle to me'.
Well, you heard just too little to assess the whole situation right- that is what usually life is all about; riddle due to the whole lot of unknown facts.

No, not to us who we can read and know what happened in heaven and heard the both side of arguments plus the final arbitration from God.

Yet, it may still be a riddle to many people who can't figure what to make of those seemingly deep words from Job's friends.

Yes, life is full of riddles just because of a lot of the unknown.

PS, if you want to give someone something you don't have, you'd better to borrow it from somebody, I guess.



Walker311 -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/1/2008 9:20:16 PM)

We cannot give away what is not ours to give. Hence, everything belongs to God so in whatever good thing that we give, glorifies God.



Liveloved -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/1/2008 11:46:45 PM)

quote:

My first question is this; can anybody give what he/she doesn't have?
Yes, no or maybe with explanation?
Of course I have more to this seemingly a simple question.


I would say 'yes'. I have read a number of stories of missionaries and evangelists who labored for years leading others to Christ only for them to later discover that they had never known Him themselves. That seems to be 'giving' what one did not possess.



PopsiLufsJesus -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/1/2008 11:48:00 PM)

ooo Liveloved, I like your answer



kingdust -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/2/2008 7:03:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Liveloved
I would say 'yes'. I have read a number of stories of missionaries and evangelists who labored for years leading others to Christ only for them to later discover that they had never known Him themselves. That seems to be 'giving' what one did not possess.


I consider your 'yes' a weak yes, because when it comes to God, 'nothing' doesn't exist, meaning there always is something to begin with.
Creation theory or even the Big Bang theory is a good example for non-existence of nothing
Believe or not, acknowledge or not, God always can be something for His creature.

I think those missionaries in question of whether they have nothing or something of God, who claimed to give something they know nothing about, must have heard at least the name Jesus, which is sufficient enough to create another huge universe, I guess.

Just like many of us who know His name but don't know what we are getting beside the name.
If the name is the name of God of the universe, it has more than we think we know.

What about God the Spirit many of us don't acknowledge?
Just because we don't, He is not with us?



URForgiven -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/2/2008 8:52:58 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kingdust
My first question is this; can anybody give what he/she doesn't have?
Yes, no or maybe with explanation?


Your question made me think of Mark 9:38-40...

"Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
"Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us.

I wonder if this passage somehow relates to your question?

Peace



Liveloved -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/2/2008 1:27:03 PM)

quote:

quote:

ORIGINAL: Liveloved
I would say 'yes'. I have read a number of stories of missionaries and evangelists who labored for years leading others to Christ only for them to later discover that they had never known Him themselves. That seems to be 'giving' what one did not possess.

quote: kingdust

I consider your 'yes' a weak yes, because when it comes to God, 'nothing' doesn't exist, meaning there always is something to begin with.

Can anyone give what he doesn't have? I would say mine is a mighty 'yes', kingdust, because it demonstrates that God is greater. He doesn't needs our puny little frames of dust to accomplish His will. Earthen vessels don't have to have anything to give. Yet they hold God Himself. I'm just saying this in way of explanation but either yes or no is OK with me. It's ALL about Him anyway.[:D]

Creation theory or even the Big Bang theory is a good example for non-existence of nothing
Believe or not, acknowledge or not, God always can be something for His creature.

I think those missionaries in question of whether they have nothing or something of God, who claimed to give something they know nothing about, must have heard at least the name Jesus, which is sufficient enough to create another huge universe, I guess.

Just like many of us who know His name but don't know what we are getting beside the name.
If the name is the name of God of the universe, it has more than we think we know.

What about God the Spirit many of us don't acknowledge?
Just because we don't, He is not with us?



kingdust -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/4/2008 8:11:30 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Walker311

We cannot give away what is not ours to give. Hence, everything belongs to God so in whatever good thing that we give, glorifies God.


Even a person wants to give something away, he/she has to have something in possession to begin with, and the desire to give, which is another factor belongs to 'No,can't' category.

Do all of us have something that can be given away if we desire to?

Your point brought out a question relating to Job's friends who were willing to give a piece of their mind which missed point and proven to be wrong at the end when the final arbitrator stepped out from the unseen and silent position, breaking the silence and revealing His piece of mind.

Is the spoken words of Job's friend given by God and belongs to God or their own?
If God's, theirs should have the absolute value for us to cling to.
If not, they are just like ours, relative and subjective, good for talk but not good enough to bet our dear life.

What about their attitude or judgmental spirit?

I should have more questions but let me create (think) them first in order to give.



SonInMe1 -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/4/2008 8:18:03 AM)

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can anybody give what he/she doesn't have?


My first wife wrote bad checks all the time.



kingdust -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/4/2008 8:37:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: URForgiven

Your question made me think of Mark 9:38-40...

"Teacher," said John, "we saw a man driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us."
"Do not stop him," Jesus said. "No one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, for whoever is not against us is for us.

I wonder if this passage somehow relates to your question?

Peace


That man seemed like 'something' to give not in his name like Job's friend, but in the name of Jesus like Peter; AC 3:6 Then Peter said, "Silver or gold I do not have, but what I have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk."

Peter didn't have silver or gold so he couldn't give something he didn't have, which supports the 'no, can't" category, but he was able to give something he didn't have, i.e. the ability to heal, only in the name of Jesus, which is just a name, just a word, just a talk, just a mention, just a acknowledgment, just that sorts.

An interesting relation I just found is the relation between a giver who has nothing to give and his/her giving of something, like Job's friends or Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who gave something they didn't have and the evil spirit answered them, "Jesus I know, and I know about Paul, but who are you?"

Can a man who has nothing give something?
Yes, CAN, just like them.
Otherwise, NO, CAN"T.



kingdust -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/4/2008 9:03:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Liveloved
I would say 'yes'. I have read a number of stories of missionaries and evangelists who labored for years leading others to Christ only for them to later discover that they had never known Him themselves. That seems to be 'giving' what one did not possess.

quote:

quote: kingdust

I consider your 'yes' a weak yes, because when it comes to God, 'nothing' doesn't exist, meaning there always is something to begin with.


Can anyone give what he doesn't have? I would say mine is a mighty 'yes', kingdust, because it demonstrates that God is greater. He doesn't needs our puny little frames of dust to accomplish His will. Earthen vessels don't have to have anything to give. Yet they hold God Himself. I'm just saying this in way of explanation but either yes or no is OK with me. It's ALL about Him anyway.


I said 'weak yes' to the question of 'can anyone give something which he/she doesn't have', because, in your case, you have something to give, either you have received already or God gives on a count of yours linked to His.
In the missionary case, I said, they had at least the name Jesus, which, again I said, a huge possession that can create another huge Galaxy-like something.

I guess my ESL English misguided you.
If I did, correct me, and I will gladly correct your wrong use of 'quote' command.[:)]

When you quote, by clicking the quote button on the upper right corner, you can highlight any portion you don't want to comment and include in your post, and hit the 'delete' button on your key board.
That way you can clean out some and make your post nice and neat, point oriented only.

If you want to quote within a quote, highlight that portion first and then click the quote button above, in between 'hr' and 'link' button.
In this case, the quote button you need is the 5Th button from the 'Bold' button you know how to use.



kingdust -> RE: I Question You Answer (9/4/2008 9:43:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1

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can anybody give what he/she doesn't have?


My first wife wrote bad checks all the time.


I take yours as 'no, can't'.
It is a good example and very realistic.

Many people give what they don't have and bankrupt the receivers who faithfully and sincerely receive, believe, trust, bank and give to others, with absolute sure conviction.

Those who think that they have but in fact have not write checks or books as if they give something tangible or absolute.
There is no convenient way to check the balance at the spot because it takes time to clear a big check said to be either received or given.

The biggest bad check writers are those who know nothing but give anyway, or has a sheer belief that can't be proven except either believe or not, to millions of people.
Guess who they are.

Many scientists writes bad checks, too, calling them facts, truth, absolute, right, good and sincere.
So are those creative religion makers of all sorts, whom you know.

Say, you have received a check of reincarnation from Buddha and banked.
How can you know it is or will be good?
It takes your life span to clear it.

There are more such writers, sincere or crooked.



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