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gaylel1 -> Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (8/31/2008 5:05:56 PM)
It seems like if something is brought up about the canadates, it is fair game to the opposing party and the media. Here are some examples.. Obama Muslim Rumors Mc Cain's involvement w/Charles Keating which was the downfall of the Savings and Loan Industry Cindy Mc Cain's dependance of precription drugs Clinton's Womanizing This and many other things can either help or hurt a canadates' standing. Why's a canadate's past is fair game to parties and media and is there is a person who is perfect?

MrFribbles -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (8/31/2008 5:11:54 PM)
Well, in fairness, it does make sense, if the rumors are true. To use an extreme example, if a presidential candidate was a convicted murderer, I wouldn't want them in office. They are running for public office, so they are going to have public lives. Moral breakdowns can and should influence how we think of them. But, at the same time, small problems shouldn't be blown out of proportion. For example, Obama's Muslim rumors are entirely absurd. Similarly, I remember a story where Mrs. McCain was being accused of stealing a cookie recipe from, um, some major cookie company. It was ridiculous! So, I would say that any example of a person's past being brought up must be treated with wisdom and discernment, not with gut and fever.

saved9201 -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (8/31/2008 5:51:23 PM)
This reminds me of a story I heard that when LBJ was running for some office (not President), he told his staff to float a rumor that his opponent had carnal knowledge of livestock. A staff member protested, telling LBJ he can't do that because there's no proof. LBJ replied, "Yeah, but I can make the (fellow) deny it!" The point is, the pundits in the media and the bloggers don't have to worry about being sued for slander. They can float any lie or exaggeration of the truth they want. They can then accuse the "mainstream" media of ignoring the story, not because it has no credibility, but because they're in bed with the candidate who is subject of the rumor. Lots of mileage can be gotten out of these lies, and like I said, the purveyors of this nonsense have nothing to lose and at the least, as LBJ noted, they can make the poor fellow address it, deny it and in some cases, provide solid proof the rumor is a lie. In the end, it's not a matter of what makes sense or what is credible, but of who you believe or what you believe to be true. Case in point - there are people who still believe Obama is a Muslim. - Julius

TaoPoohBear -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (8/31/2008 6:02:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 ....address it, deny it and in some cases, provide solid proof the rumor is a lie. I'm looking forward to this one - http://www.bristolpalinpregnant.com/ It'll be a interesting explanation.

litfire2000 -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (8/31/2008 7:05:15 PM)
it will indeed be interesting...and if proven to be untrue will probably still never go away

NiceGuy -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (8/31/2008 7:34:42 PM)
*Incoming Message from the Big Giant Head * quote: ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 ....address it, deny it and in some cases, provide solid proof the rumor is a lie. I'm looking forward to this one - http://www.bristolpalinpregnant.com/ It'll be a interesting explanation. Spreading the FUD to more threads, I see.. This story has already been debunked HERE and HERE. NiceGuy [sm=icon_smile_super.gif]

wing2000 -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (8/31/2008 7:43:52 PM)
quote: if the rumors are true ...and then there are those who know the rumors are not true...but go on spreading the lies anyway.

Jhud -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (8/31/2008 7:52:29 PM)
Gayle, let me see if I can break this down for you. First off , I think it's fairly obvious that candidates 'past' is fair game, because we have no other basis by which to judge the veracity of someone's words than by the actions they have taken previously. Obviously though, there are action that we all take over the course of our lives that don't look good - and some of them may or may not be relevant. So for example Obama's past self-admitted drug use would only be relevant if there is an indication that he still had a problem with drugs - there is no indications of that. The troubles of McCains first marriage might be relevant if they seemed to define him now, and he hadn't already acknowledged them as a moral failing. In the case of Clinton, his indiscretions though hinted at earlier, came to light in the course of an investigation into something else - and there was every indication that it was ongoing - so that would certainly be a concern. But as you have noted, there is another sort of strategy that we as Christians should not only not practice, but that we should condemn - and that is the whisper campaign. A whisper campaign is no different than what the Bible calls gossip, except it is used for political purposes. Is not a product f verifiable facts, but simply a set of ideas put out there to slime a candidate - they are almost impossible to respond to without becoming associated with the morally reprehensible people who propagate them. Recent examples of whisper campaigns include: - Obama's presumed Islamic beliefs - McCain's illegitimate African American baby - This latest posting concerning Palin's daughter Make no mistake - these are reprehensible acts, something that represent the lowest possible moral choices; someone who does such things intentionally hates truth and seeks only to smear another person's good name for selfish game. It is in essence Satanic, the product of someone who would be a conduit for lies. For example, the website the poster linked to was completely indicative of this sort of scheme - no author, no reliable news report, just a black, evil lie, proffered for the consumption of the gullible. It's as cowardly as it is wicked, and such a person who intentionally does such things should not only be disregarded, but actively condemned.

wing2000 -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (8/31/2008 8:12:59 PM)
Well said Jack!

saved9201 -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (8/31/2008 9:03:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jhud Gayle, let me see if I can break this down for you. First off , I think it's fairly obvious that candidates 'past' is fair game, because we have no other basis by which to judge the veracity of someone's words than by the actions they have taken previously. Obviously though, there are action that we all take over the course of our lives that don't look good - and some of them may or may not be relevant. So for example Obama's past self-admitted drug use would only be relevant if there is an indication that he still had a problem with drugs - there is no indications of that. The troubles of McCains first marriage might be relevant if they seemed to define him now, and he hadn't already acknowledged them as a moral failing. In the case of Clinton, his indiscretions though hinted at earlier, came to light in the course of an investigation into something else - and there was every indication that it was ongoing - so that would certainly be a concern. But as you have noted, there is another sort of strategy that we as Christians should not only not practice, but that we should condemn - and that is the whisper campaign. A whisper campaign is no different than what the Bible calls gossip, except it is used for political purposes. Is not a product f verifiable facts, but simply a set of ideas put out there to slime a candidate - they are almost impossible to respond to without becoming associated with the morally reprehensible people who propagate them. Recent examples of whisper campaigns include: - Obama's presumed Islamic beliefs - McCain's illegitimate African American baby - This latest posting concerning Palin's daughter Make no mistake - these are reprehensible acts, something that represent the lowest possible moral choices; someone who does such things intentionally hates truth and seeks only to smear another person's good name for selfish game. It is in essence Satanic, the product of someone who would be a conduit for lies. For example, the website the poster linked to was completely indicative of this sort of scheme - no author, no reliable news report, just a black, evil lie, proffered for the consumption of the gullible. It's as cowardly as it is wicked, and such a person who intentionally does such things should not only be disregarded, but actively condemned. [sm=thumbsup.gif] -Julius

gaylel1 -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (8/31/2008 9:08:44 PM)
Another thing too, since the internet came to being, Christians can be gullable and are prone to believe anything instead of checking out the facts. And this includes e-mail rumors and innduendo which nine times out of ten it is not true, but yet and still people will believe anything and run away with it and it hurts the people's families and anybody else around them. Yes, it is good to disagree with a person and their political views, but don't do it in a way we as believers look bad.

ManimalX -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (8/31/2008 9:51:24 PM)
PoohBear: Please quit gossiping and slandering. It is unbecoming and crass, especially as an ambassador of Jesus. Thank you. [sm=thumbsup.gif]

TaoPoohBear -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (9/1/2008 4:06:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ManimalX PoohBear: Please quit gossiping and slandering. It is unbecoming and crass, especially as an ambassador of Jesus. Thank you. [sm=thumbsup.gif] It's news. "Water Breakgate" - 8/31/2008 - New Odd and Disturbing Facts You take the good with the bad. At minimum, the lack of good judgement by the VP candidate is definitely news. I've read your posts ManimalX, is it only slander & gossip if it's NOT about Obama?![:D]

Thessa -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (9/1/2008 4:09:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: gaylel1 It seems like if something is brought up about the canadates, it is fair game to the opposing party and the media. Here are some examples.. Obama Muslim Rumors Mc Cain's involvement w/Charles Keating which was the downfall of the Savings and Loan Industry Cindy Mc Cain's dependance of precription drugs Clinton's Womanizing This and many other things can either help or hurt a canadates' standing. Why's a canadate's past is fair game to parties and media and is there is a person who is perfect? When a person is involved in politics - everything becomes 'fair game'. Good or bad.

SteveSund -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (9/1/2008 10:16:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear It's news. Unless you believe everything you read, then I hardly consider a blog to be a credible primary source for news.

rcjames -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (9/1/2008 10:37:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear quote: ORIGINAL: saved9201 ....address it, deny it and in some cases, provide solid proof the rumor is a lie. I'm looking forward to this one - http://www.bristolpalinpregnant.com/ It'll be a interesting explanation. The photo used in the smear of Palin by the hate site Daily Kos was first published in 2006 in the Alaskan Daily News. That would make about a 20 month pregnancy. I guess liberals cannot see a pudgy 14 year old girl without thing they were pregnant. And they are not very good with math. But as litfire2000 said; it will probably never go away. Liberals just love to trash folks with lies or truth or whatever as long as they can trash folks. Thanks RC

NiceGuy -> RE: Why Is A Canadate's Past Is Fair Game For The Media and The Opposing Parties? (9/1/2008 11:50:54 AM)
*Incoming Message from the Big Giant Head * quote: ORIGINAL: TaoPoohBear quote: ORIGINAL: ManimalX PoohBear: Please quit gossiping and slandering. It is unbecoming and crass, especially as an ambassador of Jesus. Thank you. [sm=thumbsup.gif] It's news. No, it's a lie that has been debunked. http://www.faithcommunitynetwork.com/fb.aspx?m=3764410 NiceGuy [sm=icon_smile_super.gif]

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