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deliveredarling -> Is this going to far? (8/31/2008 8:26:32 AM)

absolutely ridiculous

Homeowners association telling people what kind of vehicle they can have in their own driveways.

This is way beyond reasonable. Don't people have better things to worry about?



rcjames -> RE: Is this going to far? (8/31/2008 8:59:45 AM)

Yes

Thanks
RC



mvic -> RE: Is this going to far? (8/31/2008 9:57:27 AM)

It's heartwarming to note that we in the UK aren't the only ones with "interesting" rules and regulations.

In some areas here you are not allowed to park a caravan on the drive of your own property. (I think you call them wanabago in the US).

Some areas insist that your front hedge is no higher than X centimetres, and you're not allowed to build a wall on the border of your property. In other places you're not allowed to have a clothes line for drying your washing. Presumably they're concerned about anyone seeing the size of one's underwear !!!

Some local authorities charge a higher parking fee for 4x4 off-road vehicles. Nothing to do with the size of the parking space since they're all the same size anyway. Presumably it is to save the environment - although I fail to see how. Since a parked vehicle emits no CO2 !!!

Anyway ... I bet we can beat you when it comes to funny rules.



armydude -> RE: Is this going to far? (8/31/2008 12:13:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

absolutely ridiculous

Homeowners association telling people what kind of vehicle they can have in their own driveways.

This is way beyond reasonable. Don't people have better things to worry about?
I'd love to see the Constitutionality of that one challenged.



car2ner -> RE: Is this going to far? (8/31/2008 12:45:34 PM)

I've had my run ins, not with the HOA as much as the management company that the HOA hired, and then rubber stamped their decisions.
I have to say that the last president of the HOA we just moved out of started to clean up some of the mess this management company started. Hopefully they can get rid of that contractor.
Let it be said, we probably won't ever move into a covenant community again, even if it does mean putting up with pick up trucks in the neighbor's yard. Wait, we drive older pick-ups, too. Paid for... maybe that is it, the neighbors are jealous cause they are still paying for their rides.



MrFribbles -> RE: Is this going to far? (8/31/2008 3:00:30 PM)

While I certainly don't agree with the HOA's decision, nor would I personally choose to live in such a place (barring exceptional circumstances), it is part of the agreement for the homeowners there. If they are unhappy with it, they ought to move out.
Personally, I'm not a fan of income tax, but I still pay it, because the governing bodies over me say I must.



DreadPirateRandy -> RE: Is this going to far? (8/31/2008 3:23:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling

Don't people have better things to worry about?


Yes, they do.

Do they? No, they don't.



deliveredarling -> RE: Is this going to far? (8/31/2008 3:23:38 PM)

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While I certainly don't agree with the HOA's decision, nor would I personally choose to live in such a place (barring exceptional circumstances), it is part of the agreement for the homeowners there. If they are unhappy with it, they ought to move out.
Personally, I'm not a fan of income tax, but I still pay it, because the governing bodies over me say I must


While I do somewhat agree to this line of thinking, I am wondering though, if the homeowners actually put into a written contract the actual names of all banned vehicles.

This truck was a 2007. Not a bad truck, practically brand new.

A homeowners association crosses the line when they begin to dictate what vehicle a person can own and drive. This is not their place to do this and what effect is it supposed to have on the property values anyway?

What are these people supposed to tell their guests who arrive in a less than desirable vehicle?
"Sorry but our neighbors get offended at the sight of your particular vehicle, you can't visit unless you bring a cover for it."

The importance of material wealth in some people, absolutely sickens me, this is one of them.

It's the same situation with feeding the homeless in public. People don't want to see what horrifies them. If they don't have to see it, they don't have to deal with it.

The really sad part is this is a nice truck. The HA is determining what is nice, what is acceptable, but I am more than willing to bet these people don't have near the amount of money in their bank that they want people to think they have.

The truly wealthy don't flaunt their money, most often you can't ever even tell they have it.



MrFribbles -> RE: Is this going to far? (8/31/2008 3:32:35 PM)

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The importance of material wealth in some people, absolutely sickens me, this is one of them.


Oh, I quite agree - it's disgusting. Which is one reason I'm glad I don't live under an HOA right now.
Not that HOA's are all bad, but this one does seem more concerned about looking rich (or at least, their imagined image of "rich") than looking nice.



dianetavegia -> RE: Is this going to far? (8/31/2008 4:01:16 PM)

In my subdivision, no one is allowed to have a clothes line. We cannot have a roof top antenna. Our fences must not pass the back of our homes and have to be approved. Garbage cans must be taken out the day of pick up and put away the same evening. We cannot cut down a tree more than 8 inches in diameter without prior approval (yet in the new section, the builders took out most of the trees.)

Some broken rules include we must all have matching mailboxes. One man put in a beautiful iron mailbox (antique looking) and many people covered their mailboxes with sports type decals.

A neighbor down the street was parking a 16 wheeled dump truck and another huge truck. My next door neighbor doesn't use their garage, but has 5 cars parked on their grass and drive. All against the rules.



deliveredarling -> RE: Is this going to far? (8/31/2008 4:05:30 PM)

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In my subdivision, no one is allowed to have a clothes line. We cannot have a roof top antenna. Our fences must not pass the back of our homes and have to be approved. Garbage cans must be taken out the day of pick up and put away the same evening. We cannot cut down a tree more than 8 inches in diameter without prior approval (yet in the new section, the builders took out most of the trees.)

Some broken rules include we must all have matching mailboxes. One man put in a beautiful iron mailbox (antique looking) and many people covered their mailboxes with sports type decals.

A neighbor down the street was parking a 16 wheeled dump truck and another huge truck. My next door neighbor doesn't use their garage, but has 5 cars parked on their grass and drive. All against the rules.


It sounds like your HA is a little lax int their enforcement of the rules.

I thought HA were originally set up for safety and preservation of the neighborhoods.

How in the world did it jump from a good thing to a focus on keeping up with the Joneses by force?



lightshineon -> RE: Is this going to far? (8/31/2008 6:20:14 PM)

I live in HOA, and yes, the could kiss my BOBO. I have a nice car (One) the others are not new. They are fairly decent not on blocks are anything (LOL) yet. If they want me to have different ones they know where the local dealerships are in town, and if they wanted to bless me then, no problem.



deliveredarling -> RE: Is this going to far? (8/31/2008 6:23:12 PM)

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If they want me to have different ones they know where the local dealerships are in town, and if they wanted to bless me then, no problem.


LOL[:D]



saraimay75 -> RE: Is this going to far? (9/1/2008 2:49:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lightshineon

I live in HOA, and yes, the could kiss my BOBO. I have a nice car (One) the others are not new. They are fairly decent not on blocks are anything (LOL) yet. If they want me to have different ones they know where the local dealerships are in town, and if they wanted to bless me then, no problem.


My thoughts exactly.



redeemedsaint -> RE: Is this going to far? (9/1/2008 3:21:05 PM)

I think some people need to get a hobby or find better things to do than to worry about someone else's property.



solarflare -> RE: Is this going to far? (9/1/2008 4:15:33 PM)

Oh give me a home, where the buffalo roam
And the deer and the antelope play
Where is seldom is heard a discouraging word
And the neighbors all live far away [;)]



armydude -> RE: Is this going to far? (9/1/2008 5:29:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: solarflare

Oh give me a home, where the buffalo roam
And the deer and the antelope play
Where is seldom is heard a discouraging word
And the neighbors all live far away [;)]
I'll amen that!



DougHorton -> RE: Is this going to far? (9/5/2008 1:49:36 PM)

If I were looking for a home, one of the first questions I would ask would be "Is there a home owners association?"

If the answer is "yes", I look elsewhere.

Fortunately, I live in the countryside, on my own property, and I do what I please. :-)



kohls356 -> RE: Is this going to far? (9/5/2008 2:12:29 PM)

I don't think all home owners associations are bad. In my area it would be very difficult to find a subdivision that didn't have a home owners association.

I am pretty much of the feeling that the house belongs to the home owner and they should be able to do what they want with their home, within reason. The subdivision we moved from last year had a HOA but it was pretty worthless. People did what they wanted to and while I was glad they had the right I was also glad I didn't live next to the purple house with pink shutters. I think they did that out of spite because they did repaint with nice colors a year later.

One thing I do not like about one of the rules and we knew before we bought so I can't complain is we can only have inground pools. I could understand if we had a subdivision club house with a pool but we are a small subdivision so we don't. That is why I wish we could put in a nice above ground pool.

What I think is over the top is having to get permission for what types of flowers you want to plant, or colors you want to pain the trim of your house, how long trash cans can sit out before they are picked up, what type of mailbox. I think HOA need to be used in cases where people truly aren't taking care of their homes causing problems in the neighborhood.



DougHorton -> RE: Is this going to far? (9/5/2008 2:57:21 PM)

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People did what they wanted to and while I was glad they had the right I was also glad I didn't live next to the purple house with pink shutters.


LOL - So that was you that moved out!



car2ner -> RE: Is this going to far? (9/5/2008 3:02:31 PM)

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it is part of the agreement for the homeowners there. If they are unhappy with it, they ought to move out.


The by-laws change over the years and may not be the same as when the home was bought. They are often written by the builder and can be vague which leaves a lot of room for disagreement. That was usually our problem. The rules seemed reasonable until the management company came through looking for reasons to look valuable by finding "violations".

BTW, we did move out. It was a wonderful house and a nice neighborhood and good folks...the only downside was the management company contracted by the HOA.



Ruthie -> RE: Is this going to far? (9/5/2008 3:19:39 PM)

I don't actually get the concept. How can a bunch of other home owners tell you what car you drive, or if you want to nail a birdhouse on your tree. Can they force you to sell your house? How do they enforce this? How can this even be legal?

What the heck?!!

I don't respond well to that sort of thing. The politest thing I could manage to utter in response would be "Bite me."

I have never heard of such a moronic thing in my life. I wonder, maybe we just don't have them in Ontario... I have never encountered one.

Why do Americans even remotely tolerate something like this?!



DougHorton -> RE: Is this going to far? (9/5/2008 3:44:00 PM)

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Why do Americans even remotely tolerate something like this?!


I don't. I avoid it.



Focusing -> RE: Is this going to far? (9/5/2008 7:50:59 PM)

It's completely ridiculous!

In southern California there were some HOAs that said people were not allowed to have their garage doors open except for the few minutes it took to pull their vehicles in or out of the garage. And that people were not even allowed to park in their own driveways.

Outrageous!!



deliveredarling -> RE: Is this going to far? (9/5/2008 8:17:33 PM)

Yeah it is. Since when did a HA decide it had the right to violate the people's rights?

I just can't imagine any citizen knowing these things before hand would knowingly choose to live there.



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