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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/30/2008 9:52:18 PM
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TorchHeart
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You left off the last part of the verse which many conveniently do when it better validates their point. This was a conditional verse:"Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more."
So, if Obama is a Christian, he needs to repent for his pro-abortion stance among other things in his voting record...then I might consider that he may well be.
The bottom line is only he and God know for sure, but his fruit is somewhat tainted.
Should McCain repent of his pro-capital punishment stance, too?
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/30/2008 9:54:08 PM
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TorchHeart
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Barack is barry?
Yeah, Barry was a nickname that was given to him as a child when he was growing up. Some people spread the rumor that it was actually his given name and he changed it to Barack because he was actually a "Muslim in disguise as a Christian."
Since that time, Obama's website has posted copies of his birth certificate which states his given name as Barack.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/30/2008 10:03:04 PM
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If Barry is really a Christian why didn't he seek out his many half-brothers and sisters and help them out of their poverty?
1 Tim 5:8 (ESV) 8But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
Guess he reads the Liberatiion Theology version that states the government is to provide for the family
As a Christian, is there anything you could've or should've done in accordance with the Bible that you didn't?
EDIT: I should point out that I'm not stating this to be critical of you, colliefan, but rather just to illustrate that ALL of us are guilty of things like that. Myself, included.
I try and keep short acounts with God and when I come short, confess. If there is a way to make things right with someone I have offended I do so ASAP.
Barry can talk all he wants about being his brothers keeper. Words and actions do not match. How many years did it take the Messiah to find his brother? Why did Vanity Fair find him in a hut while the Annointed One was living in a mansion a mobster helped him purchase?
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/30/2008 10:12:24 PM
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/30/2008 10:38:08 PM
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I don't think I should speculate on anyone's status as a Christian unless I have been called to minister to him / her (and even that only if God chooses to tell me). I don't need to know if Obama is a Christian to judge how his policies and actions line up with the Word of God. Even that wouldn't really be my concern (because I don't know him or know anyone who knows him) but for the fact that I have to choose a Presidential candidate. And I suppose its possible I might be called to convince someone else they should vote for / against him but I'm not feeling that call right now (look over my posts, you'll figure it out) so I'll leave it at that.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/31/2008 12:08:42 AM
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ok this is the issue, i agree that the death penalty is wrong as well. we no longer have any power to judge but should try to lead all to repentance. as far as gay rights are concerned, as well as abortion, the word of god states not to hyave anything to do with such especially if they do not repent or they are claiming to be in christ.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/31/2008 12:11:49 AM
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You left off the last part of the verse which many conveniently do when it better validates their point. This was a conditional verse:"Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more."
So, if Obama is a Christian, he needs to repent for his pro-abortion stance among other things in his voting record...then I might consider that he may well be.
The bottom line is only he and God know for sure, but his fruit is somewhat tainted.
Should McCain repent of his pro-capital punishment stance, too?
Seeing as capital punishment is not a sin according to the Word of God, then no, there is no need for repentence.
And FYI for all of you, the bible DOES say we will and can tell if someone is a true Christian or not by their fruit. Sen Obama, who supports mass murder of children, is definatly not producing Godly fruit. As such, we can clearly tell that he is NOT walking with God. Just because he claims to be a Christian does not mean he is one. This is not to say he is a closet muslim or hindu or anything like that. But the bible does tell us that at the end of times, people will go to God and say "Lord Lord" and God will turn them away because they were not true believers. Right now, Sen Obama is in this camp of those who do not trully follow God. I pray he, and all others who are out of the will of God, sees the light, and turns to Him, before it is too late.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/31/2008 1:45:22 AM
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torchheart, he believes that abortion is good. show me where this is in tha b ible that makes it right in gods eyes. i directly heard him and his wife state that abortion should be legal and the womans choice of when she wants to become a mother. so they are good with fornication aswell as murder. sorry man but that is not written up in the word of god as good anywhere. if i am wrong show me.
Well, show me where putting people to death in the electric chair is good. As far as I'm concerned, that's murder as well. Or baring false witness against thy neighbor (even if that neighbor is another country, or the people who elected you to public office). Those are just two examples. Those are just two examples of the current President's stances. If you're going to judge Obama on just the abortion issue, you might want to take a step back and look at pretty much every President we've ever had in America.
And I have met many people who are Christian and PRO-CHOICE. The problem is that nobody fully agrees where life actually begins. Some people point to references in the Bible (none of which give aa clear answer). Some people point to doctors. Some people just go with what they believe in themselves. Some people go with ideas I haven't even heard of.
Unless Jesus Christ pops up and runs for President of the United States, every one of these politicians stands for something of questionable morality. Bank on it. They're only human, just like you and me.
The science about when life begins is clear. Just like it was clear that black people were really people. But some people want abortion, so they pretend they aren't murdering just like their ancestors wanted slavery and some pretended blacks weren't fully human.
Barak Obama wants it legal to suck the brains out of babies during birth, way past the time any nitwit thinks the baby might not be human. He is a sick man.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/31/2008 1:51:40 AM
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The death penalty is murder, just as aborition is murder.
Have you read Romans 13? It upholds the right for a legitimate government to carry it out in some cases. So there really is a difference between it and abortion. In abortion, the victim is always innocent.
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I'm sorry, I know I'm going to take it on the shins in this area on this forum, but gay rights don't bother me either. I'm not going to condem them here on Earth for their sins, and their "rights" aren't going to affect me any. If God has a problem with them, He's the one true judge. HE will deal with them in His time.
That is well said. I think the "Christian right" are a bit misguided to rail against "gay rights". What they do isn't our problem; our job is only to show them Christ. Trying to deprive them of rights unnecessarily makes us look bad.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/31/2008 2:07:18 AM
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If Obama believes what his pastor preaches, something he never publicly disputed until people saw it on tape, he's probably not a Christian in the biblical sense. His pastor's words were incompatible with Christianity.
All Christians sin, so I won't measure Obama's Christianity by sin alone. Regret and attempts to change are necessary actions following sin.
I will however doubt one's Christianity if one advoactes sin. It is one thing to lie, but something else to say it's okay to lie.
Christians get abortions. They kill their children like others do. While it is a mean and nasty thing to do, Christians do mean and nasty things sometimes. But what separates Obama on this is that people like him make it easy to kill children and they insist the right to do it is a good thing.
Obama is a sick man. He thinks it should be legal to suck the brains out of babies while they are being born. He also has argued that it is unconstitutional to try and save the life of a child that has survived an abortion.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/31/2008 3:42:33 AM
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Anyone who can sleep at night knowing thousands of babies are slaughtered by their ruling, and does not view homosexuality as immorality, is clearly not following a Godly law. Based on these principles, Obama would NOT be classified as a Christian.
Of course, he can be a Christian if you're delusional enough to buy into his corruptive words.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/31/2008 5:42:25 AM
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No hes not. A TRUE Christian knows that Jesus is the only way to salvation. He rejects that belief.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/31/2008 6:07:39 AM
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No hes not. A TRUE Christian knows that Jesus is the only way to salvation. He rejects that belief.
Do you have a source for that? He does sort of pander to other faiths, but I haven't seen him say that others are valid paths to God.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/31/2008 8:12:52 AM
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I know it is sad. Most politicians are universalist even Bush is. I saw an interview with him where he said all religions worship the same God we all just have different paths to get to him, I was like WHAT!!! It is just the politically correct thing to be. It is sad a thing. But I still would prefer Bush over Obama or even Mcain over Obama due to the abortion stand, gay-marriage stance, and some other moral issues.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/31/2008 8:37:57 AM
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That is well said. I think the "Christian right" are a bit misguided to rail against "gay rights". What they do isn't our problem; our job is only to show them Christ. Trying to deprive them of rights unnecessarily makes us look bad.
Agreed. Heterosexuals getting divorced is a far bigger threat to traditional marriage and the family than two people who are gay or lesbian hooking up. But that problem is too complex to lend itself to sound byte level, easy solutions.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/31/2008 8:46:02 AM
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Agreed. Heterosexuals getting divorced is a far bigger threat to traditional marriage and the family than two people who are gay or lesbian hooking up. But that problem is too complex to lend itself to sound byte level, easy solutions.
A sin is a sin. There are no bigger sins than others, unless a person dosent believe in God altogether.
Homosexuality is a sin. Period.
No matter what law gets made. It wont turn out well, mark Gods words.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/31/2008 9:14:29 AM
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So now we've invented a new category of Christian. The "Truly Christian".
The Messiah B. Hussein O. The Wicked Unrighteous Ruler is NOT a Truly Christian even though he said he was because he doesn't act like one because he's a democrat, and McCain, who said he's not "born again" and has never been baptised and doesn't believe it's necessary, IS a Truly Christian cause he's a republican.
Case closed.
Bottom line is, ALL pro-life, anti-gay Republicans are Truly Christian, even though some may deny it or may not know it, and ALL pro-choice, pro-gay rights democrats are NOT Truly Christians, even if they've accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior.
Oh yeah, and if a church say's something negative about America, or about white people or the republican party, that church is NOT a Truly Christian church and if one attends that church, they're NOT Truly Christians either.
All these new rules will be included in the 67th book of the bible, the Book of Gop.
This Book goes to press prior to November 4th, to give some of us plain ol' non-Truly Christians, a chance to repent and vote for Truly Christian republicans.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/31/2008 9:18:41 AM
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What's sad is, to answer the question people totally ignore what the bible says and go by what their "heart" tells them.
In other words, The Messiah B. Hussein O. The Wicked Unrighteous Ruler is NOT a Christian even though he said he was because he doesn't act like one because he's a democrat, and McCain, who said he's not "born again" and has never been baptised and doesn't believe it's necessary, IS a Christian cause he acts like one because he's a republican. Case closed. ALL pro-life, anti-gay Republicans are Christian, even though some may deny it or may not know it, and ALL pro-choice, pro-gay rights democrats are NOT Christians, even though they've accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior.
Oh yeah, and if a church say's something negative about America, or about white people, that church is NOT a Christian church and if one attends that church, they're NOT Christians either.
All these new rules will be included in the 67th book of the bible, the Book of Gop.
- Julius
Obama went to that church for 20 years! Theres no way on Earth a person can go to a church for 20 years and not have any idea what they stand for. Obama lied to everyone. And they believed him.
I think the only reason Obama is saying hes a Christian is because he thinks it will sway more people to vote for him. Well im not being fooled. His true colors are starting to blind me.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/31/2008 9:22:13 AM
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Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian?
I would say that "Liberation Theology" misses the mark of Christianity.
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RE: Is Obama's Faith Truly Christian? - 8/31/2008 9:38:46 AM
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Obama went to that church for 20 years! Theres no way on Earth a person can go to a church for 20 years and not have any idea what they stand for. Obama lied to everyone. And they believed him.
I think the only reason Obama is saying hes a Christian is because he thinks it will sway more people to vote for him. Well im not being fooled. His true colors are starting to blind me.
The Messiah, B. Hussein O., The Wicked Unrighteous Ruler, is NOT a Truly Christian. McCain is. In fact, democrats are NOT Truly Christians and Republicans are. So it is written, so it shall be.
Can we move on now? Or do we need 10 more threads, asking the same question in different ways, to hammer this point in?
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