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hellochurch -> If My FATHER is GOD, WHO does that make me? (8/30/2008 11:36:39 AM)

I must admit this discussion make cause a lot of sparks, I hope not the wrong kind. Let us talk to each other and treat each other with the utmost respect and kindness and goodwill, because of the text especially, ' you did it unto me'.

I want to say first of all that I belong to a conservative christian church and I adhere to the Statement of Faith and Range of Doctrine of Faithwalk, which is in these forums.

I am not from any way out there church, it is a real denomination in the U.S. and Canada, and not even a non-denominational group.

However, in my studies of the Bible I have come to some texts that opened up to me to reveal some deeper meanings. I beleive the Holy SPprit showed me these things.

One of these things is to our I.D. our indentity, as to who we are.

This is what was shown me, that because my Father, FATHER my spiritual FATHER is GOD HIMSELF, and I am a new creation, a new being in Christ Jesus, a new creature, I am God's son or daughter if you will, (I am female)- but we are all called God's sons, and Jesus was our forerunner, the first born from the dead and God has many sons that He is brining into Glory,

----anyway what I am trying to say is that because GOD IS MY FATHER, I have a new name, it is my last name, because I have been 1) adopted, but 2) created in Christ Jesus, (the spirit me is a new creation)
the Spirit Me is now Hellochurch God. (if you will)

Please don't jump on me for heresy, because I believe this is truth.

When we get born again, we are new creations and our spiritual FATHER is GOD.

In order to get born again we needed to receive GODS spiritual SEED, whcih is the WORD OF GOD, the bible, or deeper, the facts written in the bible.

This WORD Holy Scripture is more than ink on paper, it is Living it is ALIVE! and it we received deeply into us and this seed produced in us our new births. This same Seed when we partake of it daily, 'eating Jesus's body which is the Word of God the Bible, because of its dynamics, it will eventually produce full grown son-ship the stature of JEsus Christ, is is like God's DNA or sperma, actually the greek word for word of God is sperma, from sperm, which has creative LIFE FORCE in it.

Because of who God is, and because He gave His SEED to me, and I received it into the womb of my spirit, it produced this new creation which is growing as it eats the Words of JEsus, "eat my body drink my blood"- and because a child takes on the name of their Father, adoptive or otherwise, then my NEW NAME, my NEW LAST NAME is now 1st name- 'Hellochurch', and Last Name, YUDHEYVAVHEY or YHWH or God.


(NOw don't shoot me please, and please bear with me, let us communicate about this, and discuss and understand what it is the bible is saying, i am not talking any church doctrine, here, i am talking about what is the meaning of the bible we have in the above mentioned things I noted above, remember let us treat each other with love and care, and use our mouths with speech that edifies)

I know I may have opened a can of worms but please dont fear and think about it, to discuss. We are christians here and need to be able to discuss ideas and understandings of Gods words.



hellochurch -> RE: If My FATHER is GOD, WHO does that make me? (8/30/2008 11:42:56 AM)

plus, i forgot to mention, the Word says 'Every SEED produces after its own kind, '

and it also says, "we do not know yet what we shall be, but we know when we shall see HIm, we will be even as HE is."!!!

What else could God's sons and daughters be when they are full grown.?

No, I don;t mean God with a capital G that we will replace HIM, but we will be LIKE HIM, we will be ie. hellochurch god, (small g) daughter of the MOST HIGH, and hopefully there will be more than a slight "family resemblance"


THink about this, how could it be anything else, but?

If our Father is GOD, WHAT then are we becoming to be HIS sons and daughters.

Dont shoot me. No i am not a cult, i am a christian believer like you and i am lookinginto the meaning of these scriptures. be kind and gentle please.[8|]



TrustingGod -> RE: If My FATHER is GOD, WHO does that make me? (8/30/2008 12:35:52 PM)

However, God would be His first name. Using your logic, we would take his last name, which is.... I don't think He has one! Besides, we don't receive our new spiritual names on this earth - that will happen when we get to heaven. We won't need last names because each name will be unique.

I may be like my mother, but I'll never be my mother. I can aspire to be like her in every way and may actual achieve to be, but I will never I become her.

We will never become God or god. We are striving to be like Him. But we will never BE Him.

I believe when scripture says we will be as He is, it is saying that we will be spiritual beings (and whatever that entails) as He is - not all-powerful, all-knowing, all-present as He is. I don't know what it will really look like, but I know that God will always be bigger, better, mightier and more in control than I will ever be - on this side of eternity or the other.



rcjames -> RE: If My FATHER is GOD, WHO does that make me? (8/30/2008 1:06:29 PM)

If we are true Believers in Christ then we;

(Rom 8:16) The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

(Rom 8:17) And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

We as true Believers are also;

(1Pe 2:9) But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

and as such we are called to;

(Rom 12:1) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

(Rom 12:2) And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Thanks
RC



LCannon -> RE: If My FATHER is GOD, WHO does that make me? (8/30/2008 1:14:01 PM)

We are, as mortals, adopted offspring from the 'root stock of Jesse' namely Jesus by virtue of his obedience/sacrifice to his Father, the Eternal God. As such we are partakers of the same as saints of our High Priest in obedience and the same Victory. Romans 2:6-"A person will render to each one according to his deeds 7 and perseverance in doing good and seek [His] Glory, honor, immortality and eternal life. 8 But to those who remain selfish, ambitious and fail to enter His Truth, they’re destined to obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9 There’s no escape for a soul who does evil, neither Jew or Greek(man or woman, rich or poor...) 10 but glory, honor and peace shall reign in the heart who does good; both Gentile and Jew alike 11 for there is no distinction with God.'



deermousie -> RE: If My FATHER is GOD, WHO does that make me? (8/30/2008 1:45:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hellochurch

I must admit this discussion make cause a lot of sparks, I hope not the wrong kind.


But I think you are right!

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This is what was shown me, that because my Father, FATHER my spiritual FATHER is GOD HIMSELF, and I am a new creation, a new being in Christ Jesus, a new creature, I am God's son or daughter if you will, (I am female)- but we are all called God's sons, and Jesus was our forerunner, the first born from the dead and God has many sons that He is brining into Glory,


Right again. A son inherits everything his father owns. It's a picture to help us understand who we are. If you think that is tough, think about guys: they are the bride of Christ. [:D]

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----anyway what I am trying to say is that because GOD IS MY FATHER, I have a new name, it is my last name, because I have been 1) adopted, but 2) created in Christ Jesus, (the spirit me is a new creation)
the Spirit Me is now Hellochurch God. (if you will)


God says He takes away the heart of stone and gives us a heart of flesh. You were spiritually dead but now have been made alive, so I think the new spirit isn't God but you. You do have the Holy Spirit in you but He is not you. He's your helper. And God says He'll give us a new name that no one else will know (internet in heaven?). But yes, God is your Father, you are His son, you are a new creation and you will belong to Him forever as His beloved one. Awesome, isn't it?!

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Please don't jump on me for heresy, because I believe this is truth.


You sound right on to me!

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When we get born again, we are new creations and our spiritual FATHER is GOD.


Yep.

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In order to get born again we needed to receive GODS spiritual SEED, whcih is the WORD OF GOD, the bible, or deeper, the facts written in the bible.


I think God's Word is the food of the new created. It has power and is unlike anything else I know of; there is more mystery there that I don't pretend to fully understand.

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This WORD Holy Scripture is more than ink on paper, it is Living it is ALIVE! and it we received deeply into us and this seed produced in us our new births. This same Seed when we partake of it daily, 'eating Jesus's body which is the Word of God the Bible, because of its dynamics, it will eventually produce full grown son-ship the stature of JEsus Christ, is is like God's DNA or sperma, actually the greek word for word of God is sperma, from sperm, which has creative LIFE FORCE in it.


I think communion, where we eat the bread and drink the wine (or grape juice in some churches) is where we eat and drink Christ. The Holy Spirit teaches us about Jesus, and not about Himself, oddly enough.

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Because of who God is, and because He gave His SEED to me, and I received it into the womb of my spirit, it produced this new creation which is growing as it eats the Words of JEsus, "eat my body drink my blood"- and because a child takes on the name of their Father, adoptive or otherwise, then my NEW NAME, my NEW LAST NAME is now 1st name- 'Hellochurch', and Last Name, YUDHEYVAVHEY or YHWH or God.


I don't see any Scriptural support for this name thing, but it could be there. Jesus didn't have a last name, and many cultures just have one name and maybe the identifier of where they came from (e.g. Jesus of Nazareth) or whose son he is (Jesus son of Joseph) or even his job (Jesus the carpenter). Christ is not a name but a descriptor: Messiah. Jesus the Messiah. In some places in the Bible He is Jesus the Christ, which ties in with this.

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(NOw don't shoot me please, and please bear with me, let us communicate about this, and discuss and understand what it is the bible is saying, i am not talking any church doctrine, here, i am talking about what is the meaning of the bible we have in the above mentioned things I noted above, remember let us treat each other with love and care, and use our mouths with speech that edifies)

I know I may have opened a can of worms but please dont fear and think about it, to discuss. We are christians here and need to be able to discuss ideas and understandings of Gods words.


No worries; this is fun. It's great to see someone digging into the Bible and getting excited. Of course people would be excited - look at all the awesome things there! We could be dancing in the streets over this! Thanks for sharing your finds and your joy - I'm dancin' with you!



Rumely -> RE: If My FATHER is GOD, WHO does that make me? (8/30/2008 7:17:13 PM)

Just my opinion, you understand, and I don't mean to rain on your parade, but you may be overthinking things a bit. Nevertheless, I rejoice with you in the acknowledgement that we are adopted as God's sons and daughters through Jesus Christ and are joint heirs with Him. Not so long, a blip in time, really, and we will all have a great big family reunion in His presence. See you there, kinfolk!



AboundinginHisGrace -> RE: If My FATHER is GOD, WHO does that make me? (8/30/2008 9:16:03 PM)

Yeah we are God's children, joint heirs with Christ. Isn't amazing that God loves us that much. It is just mind boggling that He (GOD, I AM THAT I AM) loves me.... WOW how awesome is that!!!



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