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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 10:08:27 PM
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huangshan
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http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/campaign.wrap/index.html
Biden has done nearly 100 interviews since being picked as Obama's VP on August 23.
Palin, on the other hand, did her third interview with a national television network last week. On Wednesday, she held her first media availability with her traveling reporters.
The Republican VP candidate has received less than stellar reviews in the few interviews that she has done.
Almost 100 to 3.
Yeah, the McCain campaign is treating her like an embarrassment.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 10:30:23 PM
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CNN reports that Palin's been cramming for the debate for four days straight, and she's going to one of McCain's homes for another few days more of "debate camp."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/28/palin-in-debate-camp-until-thursday/
Obviously no other VP or Presidential candidate needs a full week of preparation for a debate, away from the cameras, away from campaigning, away from their primary jobs as Senators. It's because she's made such a mess of her public appearances so far. She can't go out there and sound incoherent or poorly informed. The last thing they want is to give Saturday Night Live a great big opportunity to lampoon her again.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 10:43:48 PM
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I guess if nothing else, she'll have the advantage of hugely lowered expectations, and the wild card chance of Biden saying something dumb.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 11:04:26 PM
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The last thing they want is to give Saturday Night Live a great big opportunity to lampoon her again.
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Oh that would be in poor taste.
You see that Jhud, I'm with you.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 1:03:37 AM
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I haven't watched SNL for ages. But, the few times i have seen it or heard comments about their political satire, why are all their targets conservative? For as many gaffes as Joe biden has had in his career, you'd think they'd have more than enough material for comedy. But it seems that there's an agenda in going after anyone with a conservative point of view.
Frankly, I think the left is scared of Palin. She has acheived everything the feminist movement set out to achieve, but does not identify with left leaning political ideology. Not only that, she's from Alaska afterall, where the men are men and women are too. She's a babe. She can shoot a moose, gut it, dress it out, haul it out, and then cook it and eat it. She got invlved in politics because she was looking out for her kids. Seems she found her true calling, where her God given gifts are, in her ability to lead, to inspire others. And, to top it off, she lives in a land so foriegn to the coastal elites that thye don't know how to take her.
While I don't know the woman personally, I feel like I married her. My wife is a babe. She was botn and raised in Alaska. She can shoot a moose, gut it, skin it, pack it out, clean it and cook it and she makes a great moose stew too. She can get on a snowmachine and go for days on end. She hauled a U-Haul and three kids (7, 5, and 9 months) for seven days straight from Alaska to the upper midwest when we moved. Now, here in farm country she has all the old farmers shaking in their boots because she's not afraid to get out and do the heavy lifting or get her hands in the belly of a deer.
I hope the McCain campaign lets her loose soon so that she can can have all the naysayers eatng their words and wondering if that's what moose stew tastes like. I think Sarah makes the elite establishment uncomfortable because she's a real person and they want to be like her.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 8:30:41 AM
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http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/campaign.wrap/index.html
Biden has done nearly 100 interviews since being picked as Obama's VP on August 23.
Palin, on the other hand, did her third interview with a national television network last week. On Wednesday, she held her first media availability with her traveling reporters.
The Republican VP candidate has received less than stellar reviews in the few interviews that she has done.
Almost 100 to 3.
Yeah, the McCain campaign is treating her like an embarrassment.
Which begs the question, why hasn't Biden been an SNL skit yet? He has said at least 50 incompetent things in that time and he gets powder puff treatment from the press and the entertainment biz.
Likewise, Palin has had 3 interviews and 3 SNL skits...so let's all say it together.....A G E N D A.
It's mind-boggling to see how they have put her under a micro-scope and disected her into a hundred pieces from her family life, to her religion, to her culture, to ,,, you name it. I think Harry Truman would have gotten out of the kitchen a long time ago if he had to deal with that much.
THe fusion of pop-culture entertainment and news media is clearly evident to anyone with a rational mind, that's where people like Jon Stewart and the bobsy twins Olberman/O'Reily fill the bill.
I know many liberals who form their political opinions off of Jon Stewart's irreverant excoriation of conservatives.
It's sad that that "humor level" thinking is the least common denomiator in a world that is far removed from where our founding father's left it.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 9:47:21 AM
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Yeah, the McCain campaign is treating her like an embarrassment.
If that's so, they only have themselves to blame.
I think the country is starved for a candidate, that's not a walking bumper-sticker, spouting the party's doctrine every time their mouth opens.
I swear I'll vomit, if I hear "Wall street instead of Main street""Bush/McCain", or "maverick"(reminds me of my grandpa's old car), again.
That's what they(McCain's people) are doing with Palin; They are taking someone hitting.400, with an unorthadox stance, and trying to change their style. I say for her, to get up there and swing away! Will you strike out once in a while? Yes. But quit worrying about losing .000001 percent of the vote, that changes their mind at the last minute. Neal Boortz is right; If you haven't made up your mind at this point, please stay home, and let the rest of us, do the heavy lifting.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 1:22:50 PM
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Which begs the question, why hasn't Biden been an SNL skit yet? He has said at least 50 incompetent things in that time and he gets powder puff treatment from the press and the entertainment biz.
Likewise, Palin has had 3 interviews and 3 SNL skits...so let's all say it together.....A G E N D A.
It's mind-boggling to see how they have put her under a micro-scope and disected her into a hundred pieces from her family life, to her religion, to her culture, to ,,, you name it. I think Harry Truman would have gotten out of the kitchen a long time ago if he had to deal with that much.
THe fusion of pop-culture entertainment and news media is clearly evident to anyone with a rational mind, that's where people like Jon Stewart and the bobsy twins Olberman/O'Reily fill the bill.
I know many liberals who form their political opinions off of Jon Stewart's irreverent excoriation of conservatives.
It's sad that that "humor level" thinking is the least common denominator in a world that is far removed from where our founding father's left it.
Eh. It's easier to lampoon (apparent?) incompetence, especially when a SNL alumni looks exactly like her. Biden has the problem of being relatively old news (and as such, not as interesting) and writes his own jokes (his gaffes), and as such I think he'd be more appropriate for The Daily Show (insofar as they can just play a clip of him saying something stupid and call it good).
The Daily Show is actually incredibly useful, insofar as it often tracks talking points, narratives and contradictions over time, and frequently criticizes the media itself in a well-publicized format. Self-criticism is something that CNN, FOX, AP and all the rest either can't do or won't do, and the alternative is almost invariably to go online and check out blogs or Factcheck or whatever. The Daily Show's position on television is unique.
The Daily Show's primary purpose is humor, but its methodology is, I think, admirable and worth imitating.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 1:50:02 PM
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Which begs the question, why hasn't Biden been an SNL skit yet? He has said at least 50 incompetent things in that time and he gets powder puff treatment from the press and the entertainment biz.
Likewise, Palin has had 3 interviews and 3 SNL skits...so let's all say it together.....A G E N D A.
It's mind-boggling to see how they have put her under a micro-scope and disected her into a hundred pieces from her family life, to her religion, to her culture, to ,,, you name it. I think Harry Truman would have gotten out of the kitchen a long time ago if he had to deal with that much.
THe fusion of pop-culture entertainment and news media is clearly evident to anyone with a rational mind, that's where people like Jon Stewart and the bobsy twins Olberman/O'Reily fill the bill.
I know many liberals who form their political opinions off of Jon Stewart's irreverent excoriation of conservatives.
It's sad that that "humor level" thinking is the least common denominator in a world that is far removed from where our founding father's left it.
Eh. It's easier to lampoon (apparent?) incompetence, especially when a SNL alumni looks exactly like her. Biden has the problem of being relatively old news (and as such, not as interesting) and writes his own jokes (his gaffes), and as such I think he'd be more appropriate for The Daily Show (insofar as they can just play a clip of him saying something stupid and call it good).
The Daily Show is actually incredibly useful, insofar as it often tracks talking points, narratives and contradictions over time, and frequently criticizes the media itself in a well-publicized format. Self-criticism is something that CNN, FOX, AP and all the rest either can't do or won't do, and the alternative is almost invariably to go online and check out blogs or Factcheck or whatever. The Daily Show's position on television is unique.
The Daily Show's primary purpose is humor, but its methodology is, I think, admirable and worth imitating.
I agree with most of that as I concede Fey's resemblance (except for her big ears) and Palin is certainly a fresh face, uh er, target.
I just wonder how far the "pick on the only woman" (accomplished one at that) schtick will go considering it used to be the "pick on the old white guy routine" and still is in commercials and late night cartoon shows.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 1:51:27 PM
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I guess if nothing else, she'll have the advantage of hugely lowered expectations, and the wild card chance of Biden saying something dumb.
Wildcard??? I think vegas odds has this 2/1 so betting on it doesn't even pay.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 4:10:33 PM
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They are trying to Dan Quayle her (sp), because if they do they know that it will deflate McCains new energizer to his campaign.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 4:12:47 PM
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Did anyone catch the story on Fox about the Palinistas? At least that's how the network was referring to young Republican women in NYC who like Palin. Some of these are newly converted Hillary supporters.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 4:37:59 PM
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Some of these are newly converted Hillary supporters.
Which baffles me. I had this discussion with my ex husband the night of the convention speech. I was like, Palin and Clinton are total opposites, how can people swap from one to another?! But he said, basically, they are just voting for the vagina most likely to win. I guess that's single-issue voting at its most basic.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 4:48:40 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me if there are some feminists who want to see a woman in the White House and don't care about all the other issues. But what one of the women said was that she was a small business owner and she could relate to juggling kids and working a lot of hours and really admired Palin because she was a fighter. I think they saw HIllary that way too, and there is no question that Hillary is indeed a fighter. Love her or hate her, she is a tough chick.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 6:59:28 PM
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Some of these are newly converted Hillary supporters.
Which baffles me. I had this discussion with my ex husband the night of the convention speech. I was like, Palin and Clinton are total opposites, how can people swap from one to another?! But he said, basically, they are just voting for the vagina most likely to win. I guess that's single-issue voting at its most basic.
From reading the PUMA forums, the only reason they are voting McCain/Palin is their visceral hatred of Barack Obama. Seriously, if you compare the sentiments expressed about Obama on PUMA web sites and far-right web sites, you really can't tell the difference. They really do loathe the man as much as they adore Hillary Clinton. McCain could have picked Adolf Hitler as his running mate and they would still have voted for him. They truly are unhinged at the thought that the man who defeated their champion could win the election.
But in the end, it's not going to matter. Recent polls have shown that Obama finally has the support of as many Democrats as McCain has Republicans, so the PUMA holdouts are having very little effect on this election. The vast majority of those 18 million votes cast for Clinton in the primary will be cast for Obama in the election.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 7:19:30 PM
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I must admit that it's been interesting reading the reaction of the religious right to Palin's selection. If she had been a liberal career politician juggling a large family with a husband as the homemaker, with rumors of infidelity, who conceived her first child out of wedlock, and had a teenage daughter who also got pregnant before marriage, the vast majority of Palin supporters here would have decried her thoroughly unbiblical lifestyle.
It's also interesting to see people championing her obvious femininity (regarding her looks) in one breath ("she's a babe") and then positively glorifying her alpha-male personality traits the next.
It's kind of funny to see preachers like John Hagee lining up behind Palin when they have previously condemned family arrangements like Palin's in no uncertain terms:
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For others its laziness, you're too lazy to work and support your children. I'm talking about men. You call yourself Mr. Mom, God calls you a bum. St. Paul says you are worse than an infidel. Let me look you right in the eye and tell you that Hell is your future home if all you do is sit on your backside and let your wife support you in your life.
Ah well.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 7:22:33 PM
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Citations? Besides the unknown Parker.
I gave you the names. Google them.
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Apparently his lack of experience doesn't bother them.
Nor should it. Unlike certain hockey moms with a bizarre concept of foreign policy, Obama's not a one-trick pony.
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But there is little doubt which way SNL leans now, no doubt as a result of the fact that the entire network has tipped toward the left.
So that explains that SNL sketches from this past spring depicting Obama calling Hillary at 3AM in a cold sweat begging for advice, and that other one mocking the press for not giving Hillary a break, but falling on bended knee to Obama?
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 7:30:55 PM
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I must admit that it's been interesting reading the reaction of the religious right to Palin's selection. If she had been a liberal career politician juggling a large family with a husband as the homemaker, with rumors of infidelity, who conceived her first child out of wedlock, and had a teenage daughter who also got pregnant before marriage, the vast majority of Palin supporters here would have decried her thoroughly unbiblical lifestyle.
It's also interesting to see people championing her obvious femininity (regarding her looks) in one breath ("she's a babe") and then positively glorifying her alpha-male personality traits the next.
It's kind of funny to see preachers like John Hagee lining up behind Palin when they have previously condemned family arrangements like Palin's in no uncertain terms:
I don't think if a candidate were a 'liberal career politician' that most conservative supporters of Palin would support them if they were as innocent as Mother Theresa.
And anyone who would consider Todd Palin, who is a commercial fisherman and north slope oilfield worker a 'homemaker' really hasn't been paying attention.
None the less, what you have listed is no more ironic than the liberals attacking Palin who have suggested she is abandoning her family by running for office and should return home forthwith and fulfill her duties as a woman.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 7:38:14 PM
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I don't think if a candidate were a 'liberal career politician' that most conservative supporters of Palin would support them if they were as innocent as Mother Theresa.
True. But there's a difference between condemnation of her lifestyle, which there undoubtedly would have been, and lack of support for her political views.
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And anyone who would consider Todd Palin, who is a commercial fisherman and north slope oilfield worker a 'homemaker' really hasn't been paying attention.
That just makes things worse. Neither parent stays home to look after the kids? I wonder what James Dobson would make of that. I know conservative fave Dr Laura is not impressed.
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None the less, what you have listed is no more ironic than the liberals attacking Palin who have suggested she is abandoning her family by running for office and should return home forthwith and fulfill her duties as a woman.
Oh, I don't defend liberal hypocrisy any more than conservative hypocrisy in this regard. 
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 7:40:07 PM
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I gave you the names. Google them.
I did google them; that's why I think you are wrong.
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Nor should it. Unlike certain hockey moms with a bizarre concept of foreign policy, Obama's not a one-trick pony.
No, he is worse, he is a one word pony; change.
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So that explains that SNL sketches from this past spring depicting Obama calling Hillary at 3AM in a cold sweat begging for advice, and that other one mocking the press for not giving Hillary a break, but falling on bended knee to Obama?
Actually, the former was a mockery of Hillary's 3:00am ad, and the latter was mocking the press.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 7:52:14 PM
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And anyone who would consider Todd Palin, who is a commercial fisherman and north slope oilfield worker a 'homemaker' really hasn't been paying attention.
I could not possibly care less about Todd Palin.
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I did google them; that's why I think you are wrong.
Well, I found them quite easily.
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No, he is worse, he is a one word pony; change.
That's funny.
Isn't "change" the same mantra that McCain, Palin, and a dozen other Republicans flogged like a dead horse in St. Paul earlier this month?
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 7:56:55 PM
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I could not possibly care less about Todd Palin.
Well obviously; but that really has nothing to do with the point.
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Well, I found them quite easily.
Well then link up or hush.
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Isn't "change" the same mantra that McCain, Palin, and a dozen other Republicans flogged like a dead horse in St. Paul earlier this month?
Sure, in response to the foundation of Obama's campaign.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 8:07:27 PM
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Apparently his lack of experience doesn't bother them.
Nor should it. Unlike certain hockey moms with a bizarre concept of foreign policy, Obama's not a one-trick pony.
Hmm. An entire Presidential debate and some people STILL haven't figured out that Obama is not actually running against Palin.
Maybe next debate. *sigh*
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/29/2008 8:13:07 PM
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Isn't "change" the same mantra that McCain, Palin, and a dozen other Republicans flogged like a dead horse in St. Paul earlier this month?
It's actually an apt metaphor. McCain's campaign has been one crazy Hail Mary after another, often completely irrespective of the previous direction.
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