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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 12:39:23 PM   
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I apologize as that was Tina Fey's quote summarizing her excuse for foreign experience as this vidoe shows, Palin On Foreign Policy where she claims proximity of foreign countries qualifies as foreign experience. Just as ridiculous.


Well yes, confusing SNL skits with reality is ridiculous.


To be fair, Palin's actual position actually is ridiculous approaching absurd and Tina Fey actually does look exactly like her.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 12:41:42 PM   
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To be fair, Palin's actual position actually is ridiculous approaching absurd and Tina Fay actually does look exactly like her.


Almost as ridiculous is confusing the maunufacture of position by the press with a candidates actual 'positions'.

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 12:51:50 PM   
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To be fair, Palin's actual position actually is ridiculous approaching absurd and Tina Fay actually does look exactly like her.


Almost as ridiculous is confusing the manufacture of position by the press with a candidates actual 'positions'.


I understand that the bulk of what passes for conservative journalism begs the comparison, but SNL isn't really "the press".
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 12:53:32 PM   
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I understand that the bulk of what passes for conservative journalism begs the comparison, but SNL isn't really "the press".


Which causes me to wonder why liberals view as an important source of information about vital issues.

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 12:53:33 PM   
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Well yes, confusing SNL skits with reality is ridiculous.

Art mimics reality that only conservatives eventually catch on as conservative columnist Kathleen Parker has and asking for Palin to bow out of the race.

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 12:54:32 PM   
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Art mimics reality that only conservatives eventually catch on as conservative columnist Kathleen Parker has and asking for Palin to bow out of the race.


Now you are confusing SNL with 'art' - there seem to be layers of confusion here.

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 1:00:14 PM   
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Now you are confusing SNL with 'art' - there seem to be layers of confusion here.

It is art. I think must people would consider it as art. What planet you say you were from?

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 1:02:00 PM   
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I understand that the bulk of what passes for conservative journalism begs the comparison, but SNL isn't really "the press".


Which causes me to wonder why liberals view as an important source of information about vital issues.


Given what passes for conservative journalism, it's understandable that a few people get confused.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 1:10:25 PM   
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Funny the DrudgeReport vote on line poll has McCain winning the debate by a two to one margin over Obama.

Last I seen there were 400,000 people who voted and it was 68% McCain to 30% Obama with 2% undecided.

Bob


In all fairness though, who do you think the majority of the people are that visit the Drudge Report?

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 1:15:44 PM   
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It is art. I think must people would consider it as art. What planet you say you were from?


The planet where poorly acted, badly written, tasteless late night comedy isn't considered 'art'.

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 1:21:35 PM   
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Given what passes for conservative journalism, it's understandable that a few people get confused.


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It is art. I think must people would consider it as art. What planet you say you were from?


The planet where poorly acted, badly written, tasteless late night comedy isn't considered 'art'.


See, I got confused. I thought you were talking about Neil Cavuto for a second there. What are you talking about?
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 1:23:49 PM   
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See, I got confused. I thought you were talking about Neil Cavuto for a second there. What are you talking about?


I really don't think it is within my power to eleviate your confusion.

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 1:35:55 PM   
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John McCain says that we may safely ignore whatever Sarah Palin says. The words that come out of her mouth are not to be taken as an assertion of her views regarding policy:

[Governor Palin] would not…she understands and has stated repeatedly that we're not going to do anything except in America's national security interest. In all due respect, people going around and… sticking a microphone while conversations are being held, and then all of a sudden that's—that's a person's position… This is a free country, but I don't think most Americans think that that's a definitive policy statement made by Governor Palin.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 2:09:45 PM   
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John McCain says that we may safely ignore whatever Sarah Palin says. The words that come out of her mouth are not to be taken as an assertion of her views regarding policy:

[Governor Palin] would not…she understands and has stated repeatedly that we're not going to do anything except in America's national security interest. In all due respect, people going around and… sticking a microphone while conversations are being held, and then all of a sudden that's—that's a person's position… This is a free country, but I don't think most Americans think that that's a definitive policy statement made by Governor Palin.


It would appear that both Presidential candidates have independent thinkers as VPs.

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 2:21:31 PM   
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Heh, I just caught Matt Yglesias' take:

Normally we’ve seen Sarah Palin either engages in gaffes where she says something that doesn’t make sense or else we’ve seen her say stuff that isn’t true. Now, though, she’s entered into the realm of the Kinsley gaffe where she’s just not well-briefed enough to remember the McCain campaign’s convoluted talking points on this issue. Instead, she went with the common sense position — Obama’s position.
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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 2:23:43 PM   
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The planet where poorly acted, badly written, tasteless late night comedy isn't considered 'art'.


Amen

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 2:25:59 PM   
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Heh, I just caught Matt Yglesias' take:

Normally we’ve seen Sarah Palin either engages in gaffes where she says something that doesn’t make sense or else we’ve seen her say stuff that isn’t true. Now, though, she’s entered into the realm of the Kinsley gaffe where she’s just not well-briefed enough to remember the McCain campaign’s convoluted talking points on this issue. Instead, she went with the common sense position — Obama’s position.


Interestingly, I think that Palin's position (and Obama's) is correct. That bing said, I think McCain realizes (as neither of the other two do, since they both lack the experience) is that the US has certainly crossed the borders of Pakistan in pursuit of terrorists, but it doesn't announce this because it has had agreements with the Pakistani government. Which only means criticism of Palin here are equally applicable to Obama.

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 2:27:24 PM   
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Actually, most of those conservatives (with the exception of Parker, who no conservative I know heard of until this column) have warmed to Palin since her convention speech, and I think most agree she, or someone like her, was a neccesary component of McCain's ticket.


No, it's just the opposite.

Whereas most conservatives (like Brooks, Will, Parker, et al) were once enamored with Palin after her convention speech, they have since done an about-face after watching her conduct since.

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Palin brings something else to the table, namely a real familiarity with the life of ordinary Americans, something sadly lacking in every other candidate.


Why is mediocrity suddenly so prized in the Republican party?

I couldn't care less whether Palin can cook mooseburgers, or chat about motherhood. The next-in-line for the presidency should be able to grasp concepts far broader that these, and thus far, Palin is utterly failing to do so.

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I think what her 'handlers' didn't anticipate was the vociferousness with which Palin would be attacked


I see. So Palin is a victim? Give me a break.

I seem to recall something Harry Truman once said about one's inability to stand the heat. Perhaps Governor Palin should look it up.

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Well, she will certainly benefit from the low expectations the press and the left have created; she just has to hold her own, just as Obama did.


No, the low expectations have been created by Palin herself via her own poor performances in interviews.

Did you see last night's newest SNL bit with Tina Fey? The writers barely had to do any work; most everything in that sketch was drawn from own Palin conduct, so writing it was easier than sinking a two-inch putt.

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 2:50:07 PM   
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No, it's just the opposite.

Whereas most conservatives (like Brooks, Will, Parker, et al) were once enamored with Palin after her convention speech, they have since done an about-face after watching her conduct since.


Actually, Parker is the only one I have seen cited in this regard; and no liberals or conservatives heard of her before someone on the left figured out she said something they could use. The 'trend' just isn't there.

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Why is mediocrity suddenly so prized in the Republican party?

I couldn't care less whether Palin can cook mooseburgers, or chat about motherhood. The next-in-line for the presidency should be able to grasp concepts far broader that these, and thus far, Palin is utterly failing to do so.


Only liberals think ordinary Americans are 'mediocre'; which simply goes to my ongoing thesis that when push comes to shove, the left is elitist and disdains average American values.

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I see. So Palin is a victim? Give me a break.

I seem to recall something Harry Truman once said about one's inability to stand the heat. Perhaps Governor Palin should look it up.


As the supporter of a candidate who is sending out 'truth squads' composed of law enforcement officials who support him to suppress criticism of him, I would say you being more than disingenuous in your comments here.

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No, the low expectations have been created by Palin herself via her own poor performances in interviews.

Did you see last night's newest SNL bit with Tina Fey? The writers barely had to do any work; most everything in that sketch was drawn from own Palin conduct, so writing it was easier than sinking a two-inch putt.


SNL, despite it's occasional foray into comedy, has become mostly a whiny outlet for liberals who think joking about incest is worthwhile entertainment. To them, anyone who is not a east coast entertainer or liberal politician is funny because they are seen as obviously ignorant, though a closer examination of of their real lives would be pitiful by almost any standard.

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 3:03:44 PM   
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Wow, Jack. I think I know exactly how Katie Couric felt when interviewing Palin.

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Actually, Parker is the only one I have seen cited in this regard; and no liberals or conservatives heard of her before someone on the left figured out she said something they could use. The 'trend' just isn't there.


Yes, it is. And I have cited several conservative names other than Parker who have expressed similar anxieties over Palin.

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Only liberals think ordinary Americans are 'mediocre'; which simply goes to my ongoing thesis that when push comes to shove, the left is elitist and disdains average American values.


No, I just think that liberals would like their presidential and VP candidates to be...um, what's the word I'm looking for?

Oh, yeah! Competent.

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SNL, despite it's occasional foray into comedy, has become mostly a whiny outlet for liberals who think joking about incest is worthwhile entertainment. To them, anyone who is not a east coast entertainer or liberal politician is funny because they are seen as obviously ignorant, though a closer examination of of their real lives would be pitiful by almost any standard.


Jack, that comment is so snotty and elitist I'm not even sure where to begin.

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 3:09:05 PM   
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Yes, it is. And I have cited several conservative names other than Parker who have expressed similar anxieties over Palin.


Well you gave a list of names, and while a number of them expressed reservations before the RNC, I don't see them doing so now.

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No, I just think that liberals would like their presidential and VP candidates to be...um, what's the word I'm looking for?

Oh, yeah! Competent.


One wonders why they aren't looking for the same in a Presidential candidate.

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Jack, that comment is so snotty and elitist I'm not even sure where to begin.


Well, at least I didn't pretend it was comedy.

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 3:31:08 PM   
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Palin is GWB with lipstick.

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 3:34:25 PM   
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Well you gave a list of names, and while a number of them expressed reservations before the RNC, I don't see them doing so now.


No, Jack.

The conservatives I noted are, in fact, voicing these concerns right now; not a month ago, now. Today.

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One wonders why they aren't looking for the same in a Presidential candidate.


They are. In fact, they have found such a candidate. Y'know...that community organizer fellow? Whatshisname?

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Well, at least I didn't pretend it was comedy.


Regarding SNL making fun of Palin, you're also failing to note that in last night's episode, Obama, Hillary, McCain, and especially Bill Clinton were comic targets as well.

The notion that SNL only goes after conservatives is a claim that could only be made by someone who is not paying attention.

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 3:39:38 PM   
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Now you are confusing SNL with 'art' - there seem to be layers of confusion here.


Actually, I think political and social satire is a form of art, not to mention a great tool with which to cut thru political nonsense, and expose larger truths.

Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart do it all the time. Trey Parker and Matt Stone are another good example.

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RE: VP choice Palin - 9/28/2008 8:01:38 PM   
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No, Jack.

The conservatives I noted are, in fact, voicing these concerns right now; not a month ago, now. Today.


Citations?

Besides the unknown Parker.

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They are. In fact, they have found such a candidate. Y'know...that community organizer fellow? Whatshisname?


Apparently his lack of experience doesn't bother them.

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Regarding SNL making fun of Palin, you're also failing to note that in last night's episode, Obama, Hillary, McCain, and especially Bill Clinton were comic targets as well.

The notion that SNL only goes after conservatives is a claim that could only be made by someone who is not paying attention.


Actually I saw their debate skit; the reality is there treatment of Obama was extremely mild - of course, it may be that he simply isn't all that funny or interesting in the end.

But there is little doubt which way SNL leans now, no doubt as a result of the fact that the entire network has tipped toward the left.

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