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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/26/2008 5:55:47 PM
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Psalms274
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Sorry, but the New Republic piece is arguing from a flawed contention - that Obama 'fail(s) to "support" children "born alive,"', when in fact his reason for voting against the final form of IL-BAIPA was that the issue was already covered, AND IN MORE POWERFUL TERMS, by existing Illinois law.
As any first-year law student, geometric logician, or anyone else trained in rational thinking can tell you, arguing from a false premise is instant death to the validity of any final conclusion, as indeed it does here.
It's a shame, really, Damon Linker has done some sound work in the past. maybe he wrote that article before his morning coffee.
Really, this has been rebutted at far too much length to go through it again.
His words as to why he voted against the bill as reviewed by "Factcheck," a nonpartisan website that calls both sides out ...
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While we don't have a record of Obama's 2003 comments on SB 1082, he did express his objection to the 2001 and 2002 bills.
Obama, Senate floor, 2002: [A]dding a – an additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion. … I think it’s important to understand that this issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births.
Obama, Senate floor, 2001: Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we’re really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a – a child, a nine-month-old – child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it – it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute.
Obama's critics are free to speculate on his motives for voting against the bills, and postulate a lack of concern for babies' welfare. But his stated reasons for opposing "born-alive" bills have to do with preserving abortion rights, a position he is known to support and has never hidden.
The editorial they provided at the end is the bottom line ... he is for preserving abortion rights ... and that is just one thing that "scares" me.
The rest of the article is here.
I am afraid you do not have all the facts on this one ... and it is too important an issue to simply dismiss as it alludes to not only his character, but his ability to pull a fast one ... (which is unfortunately a skill most politicians are well versed at doing.)
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/26/2008 5:57:49 PM
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Jhud
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The most frightening thing Obama has said, and perhaps the biggest reason I would not vote for him, is his statement that, "I think actually Justice Breyer, Justice Ginsburg are very sensible judges".
Anyone who thinks that judges who are pro-sodomy, pro-abortion, anti-second amendment, pro-expansion of eminent domain, and anti-death penalty are 'sensible', is frightening indeed.
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/26/2008 10:35:23 PM
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ManimalX
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Reasons to "fear" Obama? Boy, just pick any issue you want and he is wrong about it.
Off the top cuff:
1. He promotes infanticide, making it easier to do and more culturally acceptable.
2. He promotes homosexuality, making it easier to do and more culturally acceptable..
3. He will appoint judges in line with points #1 and #2.
4. He is a member of the party whose platform reflects #1 and #2
5. He will expand government unnecessarily, in line with his socialist leanings.
6. He will unjustly tax those who already pay more than their fair share (which will hurt the lower class as a side effect), and wants to redistribute wealth to those who didn't earn and don't deserve it.
7. He refuses to allow Americans to produce their own oil.
8. He believes in the human-caused-global-warming farce, and is willing to destroy the economy with unnecessary and non-effective "solutions".
9. He has the endorsement of terrorists and dictators because they know he will turn the USA into a militarily impotent nation, and they know #10
10. He thinks of himself as a "global citizen" instead of an American firt and thinks poorly of his own country.
11. He demonstrates poor judgment as evidenced by his choice of relationships with people of low morals and questionable integrity (Rev. Wright, Rev. Moss, Father Flager, Bill Ayers, Antoin "Tony" Rezko, etc)
12. He is a bald-faced liar.
13. He is a horrible speaker when not reading a prepared statement, and will embarrass himself and the country if he ever tries to "wing-it" with foreign leaders.
14. He has big ears, isn't American born, his middle name is Hussein, and he is a secret Muslim.... I kid, I kid!
I am sure I am forgetting a bunch.
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 1:02:17 PM
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I was watching Glenn Beck and he pointed out that the song NObama uses everytime he walks on stage is City of Blinding Lights from U2.
They play the chorus from the song whenever he comes out:
Oh you look so beautiful tonight
Oh you look so beautiful tonight
Oh you look so beautiful tonight
In the city of blinding lights
So I wonder why he complains when people try to criticize him as coming off like a celebrity?
Anyway, the first lines of the song pretty much sum up my feelings about NObama. Now remember this is the campaign song that he chose!
The more you see the less you know
The less you find out as you go
I knew much more then than I do now
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 1:12:56 PM
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Because America is not ready for a Black president.
And I fear that a racist white man will shoot him and start a race war.
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 1:19:20 PM
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And I fear that a racist white man will shoot him and start a race war.
I think that gets my vote for the most over the top paranoid statement on any of these forums. Period. End of story.
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 4:01:26 PM
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And I fear that a racist white man will shoot him and start a race war.
I think that gets my vote for the most over the top paranoid statement on any of these forums. Period. End of story.
that, and it proves that we need healing on BOTH sides of racial matters
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 5:33:04 PM
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Jhud
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Because America is not ready for a Black president.
And I fear that a racist white man will shoot him and start a race war.
How is a Black President going to be any different than a White President policy wise - and what we he do that we wouldn't be ready for?
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 5:43:40 PM
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How is a Black President going to be any different than a White President policy wise - and what we he do that we wouldn't be ready for?
It has nothing to do with policy. WE say well take Colin Powell, but on the Black List the other night, I chuckled as Colin talked about racism and thought they would'nt like him either if he was allowed to speak the truth like he was on that show.
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 5:44:46 PM
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I think that gets my vote for the most over the top paranoid statement on any of these forums. Period. End of story.
They just foiled a plot by some meth rednecks, just think of the well organized people like the KKK.
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 5:44:56 PM
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SwedishCovenant
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Because America is not ready for a Black president.
And I fear that a racist white man will shoot him and start a race war.
How is a Black President going to be any different than a White President policy wise - and what we he do that we wouldn't be ready for?
Huh?
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 6:20:21 PM
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ljmac
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Because America is not ready for a Black president.
And I fear that a racist white man will shoot him and start a race war.
BO is not black. He is mixed race. His mother was white. He was raised by her and her white family. BO's black father ran away when he was a toddler and BO never lived with a black family member again until he was married. BO has is genetically half black and has even far less life experiences in common with average black Americans than he does genetics.
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 6:21:38 PM
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ManimalX
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Because America is not ready for a Black president.
And I fear that a racist white man will shoot him and start a race war.
BZZZZT. Wrong. America is not ready for an inexperienced, morally and ethically deficient, inexperienced man of ANY color to be president.
Give us a Michael Steele, a Clarence Thomas, a Condee Rice, even a Colin Powell, and we will gladly support them. Skin color doesn't have anything to do with it, and hasn't for a while unless you subscribe the the Rev. Wright/Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson School of Victimology.
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 6:27:11 PM
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BO is not black. He is mixed race. His mother was white. He was raised by her and her white family. BO's black father ran away when he was a toddler and BO never lived with a black family member again until he was married. BO has is genetically half black and has even far less life experiences in common with average black Americans than he does genetics.
And all that matters to a racist nut job whose going to shoot Obama cause he's afraid of 'one of them" becoming president? I don't think so.
BTW: there are many reasons to vote for Obama and many reasons not to vote for him. His ethnicity is not one of them. We certainly shouldn't avoid voting for Obama because he might get shot. He understands he is more of a target and accepts the risk. We can't let racists, terrorists or any other kind of nutball scare us into voting a different way then we ordinarily would have.
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 8:58:51 PM
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They just foiled a plot by some meth rednecks
A "plot"? By "rednecks"?
Need I say more?
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 9:38:52 PM
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Because America is not ready for a Black president.
And I fear that a racist white man will shoot him and start a race war.
Given the odds he's more likely to be killed by someone of his own race...
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 9:40:24 PM
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huskarine
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Because America is not ready for a Black president.
And I fear that a racist white man will shoot him and start a race war.
Given the odds he's more likely to be killed by someone of his own race...
if memory serves me right, the Rev. Jesse Jackson, on air, said something bad about him, at least what he would like to do (it was quite vulgar)...
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 11:12:50 PM
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ManimalX
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I think John was making a funny (I laughed anyway).
"Someone of his own race"... he is half black and half white. That makes his odds pretty bad...
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 11:23:49 PM
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I think John was making a funny (I laughed anyway).
"Someone of his own race"... he is half black and half white. That makes his odds pretty bad...
That is extremely clever, I am impressed.
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 11:25:09 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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I think John was making a funny (I laughed anyway).
"Someone of his own race"... he is half black and half white. That makes his odds pretty bad...
Not really... Since he's touted as he going to be the first black president and the leading cause of death amongst black males is other black males odds are such that is who would likely take his life...
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 11:46:02 PM
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Not really... Since he's touted as he going to be the first black president and the leading cause of death amongst black males is other black males odds are such that is who would likely take his life...
The leading cause of death among Black Males BO's age is HEART Disease.
But should'nt this go to the racial thread?
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 11:55:41 PM
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BO is not black. He is mixed race. His mother was white. He was raised by her and her white family. BO's black father ran away when he was a toddler and BO never lived with a black family member again until he was married. BO has is genetically half black and has even far less life experiences in common with average black Americans than he does genetics.
And all that matters to a racist nut job whose going to shoot Obama cause he's afraid of 'one of them" becoming president? I don't think so.
BTW: there are many reasons to vote for Obama and many reasons not to vote for him. His ethnicity is not one of them. We certainly shouldn't avoid voting for Obama because he might get shot. He understands he is more of a target and accepts the risk. We can't let racists, terrorists or any other kind of nutball scare us into voting a different way then we ordinarily would have.
Lots of people voted for BO because of his skin color. There is no way that people who would normally vote for someone like Mrs. Clinton would stay away from her like the plague if it wasn't for the color of his skin.
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/27/2008 11:57:47 PM
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Because America is not ready for a Black president.
And I fear that a racist white man will shoot him and start a race war.
Given the odds he's more likely to be killed by someone of his own race...
if memory serves me right, the Rev. Jesse Jackson, on air, said something bad about him, at least what he would like to do (it was quite vulgar)...
Give Jackson a break. He only wants to mutilate Obama.
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/28/2008 12:35:11 AM
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SovereignIsHe
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Not really... Since he's touted as he going to be the first black president and the leading cause of death amongst black males is other black males odds are such that is who would likely take his life...
The leading cause of death among Black Males BO's age is HEART Disease.
But should'nt this go to the racial thread?
I wasn't talking about medical reasons...
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RE: Why I fear Obama - 8/28/2008 2:58:03 AM
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Because hes prooved he dosent believe the words of the bible.
Because hes reallllllllllly inexperienced.
Hes pro abortion.
Hes pro homosexual.
Hes pro everything i stand against.
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