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CarlaJames -> What do you say when.... (8/26/2008 9:58:34 AM)

I have a friend that has fallen off the moral path. She's doing all kinds of things she shouldn't be doing. Yes, she is a born again Christian.

Last time I brought this up to her she kept quoting "Judge not, that ye be not judged" What do you say to that? I need to talk to her again. She keeps asking why I don't come around her as much and kept declinging to do things with her. I know the converstation of her actions are going to come up again and I need to know what to say when she starts quoting that scripture again.
Thanks.



joysword -> RE: What do you say when.... (8/26/2008 12:35:35 PM)

Why don't you and her listen to this mighty woman of God who seeks also the Lord in spirit and truth. Go to EDITED TOS 16 click onto the XP videos and enter in to view what she has to say about the Todd Bentley situation. This is her statement about her friend who is another mighty man of God and had a situation that came up and what her response to the matter is. This will give you some insight to both of you and you can allow the Lord to direct you both in what needs to be done. I know after I heard this I was taking back to the godly fear that I once had and I had longed for it again.
This has allowed me to look at my ownself and strip all that is within my ownself that God does not like so that I can allow HIM to live in me as He was meant to. Granted, I have been faced with opposition since I had decided to take this stand but God's grace, mercy, love is given through it all that I continued to press through.
Talk about my head hurting and my flesh not wanting to get back to the discipline it once was under. Yea, it's not going to be easy but once you have your flesh submit to the Holy Spirit within you, things will look brighter.
I have a friend who fell and she fell really hard, everyone has their own temptations but God is not allowing his children to stay away long this time, He's going to do whatever He has to. She is now finally praying again, trying to overcome condemnation and knows her actions not only was costly for herself but her family, friends those who loved her. She hurt many by her actions and now she has to overcome the choices she made, move on towards what God will continue to do in her life. It may now be different because no of us are going to be around now, and she's going to a country where she does not know anyone, but I hope and pray she will take the strength she has within herself to continue to press through not to give up. I continue to pray for her and write her now but only God knows if we will ever see her again.
I think this situation also was an example for me, to see that God is not playing anymore, he's been patient enough with us, and once we've made it to a certain level, God expects us to do the right thing and make right choices so we can continue to climb higher in HIM. I don't want to lose the anoiting I have or grieve the Holy Spirit by my stubborness, selfishness actions. I want HIM to purge all that is within me so that He will be strong in all my battles if I allow him that freedom to live within my being. That is why the scriptures says, it's not my will but yours be done, I can do all things in Christ Jesus, no weapon formed against me shall prosper, I am more than a conquerer, and that there is always a way out of temptations. To cast all my concerns, worries on HIM because He cares for me and his load is easy and light. He shall sustain me, be gentle unto all, let there be no strife, the Lord preserveth the faithful and to continue in HIS love.
So many scriptures come alive as you continue to read and hear the Lord speaking and once you allow HIM to live freely in you, you will not want to hurt him by your actions. You know He is real and alive living within your temple, that's HIS house within us.

Be diligent in seeking the Lord in spirit and in truth for yourself and allow the Lord to take care of His people. Pray, love them but be an example to them by walking in love, joy and HIS peace.

Blessings to you and you continue this journey of love.

JOYsWord
Prov 3:5-6



stamper_ben -> RE: What do you say when.... (8/26/2008 12:58:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CarlaJames

I have a friend that has fallen off the moral path. She's doing all kinds of things she shouldn't be doing. Yes, she is a born again Christian.

Last time I brought this up to her she kept quoting "Judge not, that ye be not judged" What do you say to that? I need to talk to her again. She keeps asking why I don't come around her as much and kept declinging to do things with her. I know the converstation of her actions are going to come up again and I need to know what to say when she starts quoting that scripture again.
Thanks.

You might want to quote Matthew 18:15-18 to her in response. Then follow through in what it says.



bluestone -> RE: What do you say when.... (8/26/2008 1:00:48 PM)

It may be time to shake the dust off your feet.
and what ever you do, dont link her to edited, as she does not need cult counseling at this point.

Edited only to remove reference to a website not allowed for TOS 16



deermousie -> RE: What do you say when.... (8/26/2008 1:06:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CarlaJames

I have a friend that has fallen off the moral path. She's doing all kinds of things she shouldn't be doing. Yes, she is a born again Christian.

Last time I brought this up to her she kept quoting "Judge not, that ye be not judged" What do you say to that? I need to talk to her again. She keeps asking why I don't come around her as much and kept declinging to do things with her. I know the converstation of her actions are going to come up again and I need to know what to say when she starts quoting that scripture again.
Thanks.


Take your sister to the Bible and show her the context: you weren't supposed to judge another until you dealt with your own sin, and THEN you dealt with your brother's (sister's) sin!

1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye

Then follow that with:

Luke 17:3
"If your brother sins, rebuke him.


These may help your understanding as well. Be sure and read them in context.

Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted. Gal. 6:1

Matthew 18:8
If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.

John 8:34
Jesus replied, "I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.

If your sister has fallen into sexual sin, then this would be appropriate:
Romans 1:18-25
Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity

When we live in sin, we become slaves to that sin, and truth goes out the window ("I'm not sinning. You can't judge me."). Your sister is trapped. Pray for her, that God will be merciful to her and deliver her. It's a spiritual battle. And tell her you don't come around as often because her sin grieves you and drives a wedge between you:

For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? 2 Cor. 6:14

How can two walk together lest they be agreed?

Bless you for being a light to your friend. May God bless you and profit your friend. I am praying for you and her today.



Child4Jesus -> RE: What do you say when.... (8/26/2008 1:12:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CarlaJames
I have a friend that has fallen off the moral path. She's doing all kinds of things she shouldn't be doing. Yes, she is a born again Christian.

Last time I brought this up to her she kept quoting "Judge not, that ye be not judged" What do you say to that? I need to talk to her again. She keeps asking why I don't come around her as much and kept declining to do things with her. I know the conversation of her actions are going to come up again and I need to know what to say when she starts quoting that scripture again. Thanks.


Tell her to read the verse in context:

Matthew 7
Do Not Judge
1 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.



Child4Jesus -> RE: What do you say when.... (8/26/2008 1:16:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bluestone
It may be time to shake the dust off your feet.
and what ever you do, dont link her to edited, as she does not need cult counseling at this point.


I don't know if they are a cult or cultic, but that is not a site for you or for anyone as a matter of fact.

Note: I literally don't know if they are cult. Not defending them at all.

Edited only to remove reference to a website not allowed for TOS 16



MWD -> RE: What do you say when.... (8/26/2008 2:10:17 PM)

I think what "judge not" really means is, "Don't think you're so great compared to the other person, 'cause you ain't. You might be only marginally-better."

It doesn't mean not to discriminate between good and bad behavior. How else would we avoid the latter?

I agree with the "shake the dust off" recommendation. Set an example, and let the other person choose whether or not to follow it. Don't expect results right away, or even in months or years.

Don't hang out with her any more until she gets her act together. Tell her she has a choice: don't hang out with you, or hang out with you and smarten up. You can say it politely. This puts the mess (and its resolution) on her, and it gives her a choice. Her gradual pulling away from the people she likes (remember, that's her choice) will do more effective preaching than their voices ever could in person.



allisonbrett -> RE: What do you say when.... (8/26/2008 3:57:45 PM)

She is right, we are not to judge but we are to hold up to accountability. We one of us stumbles we are to encourage and lift up the other til they find their way.

You may want to make sure that your manner is not judgmental. Sometimes we try to encourage but it comes across as judgmental instead. Or it could be that no matter what you say or do she'll interpret it as judgement. Of course you may remind her of her waywardness and she is fighting that conviction from the Holy Spirit. I suggest to keep praying and pray hard. Let her know that you love her, care for her and will continue praying for her.

If you have a specific instance where she is clearly outside of God's will then remind her that when she does those things that even though she cannot see him, Jesus is sitting next to her watching. Imagine if he was watching in the flesh!!! Ouch! How many of us would turn from sin and run the other way!

All you can do is approach her in a loving, kind way and keep praying. A gentle reminder that you care occassionally too. [:)]



earthless -> RE: What do you say when.... (8/26/2008 6:03:41 PM)

The LAST thing you would want to do is recommend her to go to that site joysword recommended. Unless, of course, she wants to listen to heresy, false teachers and false prophets.



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