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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 2:13:45 PM
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mapachito13
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But they're choosing a poor metric.
BMI is not a good indicator of cholesterol levels or blood pressure.
You might as well say that anyone who has blue eyes has to pay more since blue eyed people might be more likely to get, say, skin cancer.
I 100% agree with that! They should use a combination of factors based upon a physical exam of the person instead of one ambiguous number.
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 2:13:49 PM
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Now you are trying to change the subject.
Let's keep it on "personal choices". That's what you started the thread over. It's a persons choice to smoke or overeat to the point of obesity.
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 2:19:22 PM
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This is from WebMD
I would be interested in reading exactly what the State has to say in full. Not some article or something from another website.
Beginning in January 2009, state employees will be required to receive medical screenings for several conditions, including body mass index (BMI). Those who are considered obese -- along with exhibiting other negative health factors -- will have a year to get in shape.
The penalty for failure? A $25 increase in their monthly insurance costs.
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 2:21:49 PM
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Now you are trying to change the subject.
Let's keep it on "personal choices". That's what you started the thread over.
Here's the op:
Alabama is charging a fat fee for those workers who are obese. See story here h
ttp://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Insurance/InsureYourHealth/AlabamaHitsObeseWorkersWithFee.aspx
Before you know it there won't be a company around paying for health benefits. I don't believe it's really about concern for the employees health.
When is enough enough? This is too much government interference.
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 2:22:50 PM
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The penalty for failure?
Again, what if the person fails through not fault on their own?
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 2:41:03 PM
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deliveredarling
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I'm not in Alabama, but thank you.
Just reading the op article got on my nerves. It's kind of like something will pass in California and it spreads like wild fire to the other states. If it receives a warm welcome, this too will pass right on along to the rest of us. The smoking bans did the same thing.
So, it's coming to my state sometime soon.
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 2:47:17 PM
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mapachito13
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Now you are trying to change the subject.
Let's keep it on "personal choices". That's what you started the thread over.
Here's the op:
Alabama is charging a fat fee for those workers who are obese. See story here h
ttp://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Insurance/InsureYourHealth/AlabamaHitsObeseWorkersWithFee.aspx
Before you know it there won't be a company around paying for health benefits. I don't believe it's really about concern for the employees health.
When is enough enough? This is too much government interference.
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Nothing about personal choices.
A suggestion. Please put your links in the "user friendly" format. When you want to post a link to another web page, do the following. In the "Reply to Message" window click on the "link" button above the "font size" dropdown menu and copy and paste the URL in the space provided. Then you can name it anything you want in the "URL Name" space. This allows us to click on the link and be taken directly to the page instead of having to copy and paste your link.
Thanks.
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 2:50:16 PM
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Like this
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Just testing the directions
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 2:51:53 PM
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Yeah Yeah Yeah! Thank you very much! I've have been wanting to know how to do it for the longest time! I even asked a mod about it but couldn't understand her directions. Thank you, you taught me a new trick!
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 3:04:13 PM
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Yeah Yeah Yeah! Thank you very much! I've have been wanting to know how to do it for the longest time! I even asked a mod about it but couldn't understand her directions. Thank you, you taught me a new trick!
Your welcome. I had to figure it out for myself but will spare anyone that pain if I can. Good posting!
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 3:08:34 PM
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Like this
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Just testing the directions
Not working. Try this:
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 3:12:41 PM
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deliveredarling
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Not working. Try this:
LINK
Why didn't mine work? I followed her directions or maybe I should ask, what is it that you did?
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 3:14:53 PM
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mapachito13
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ORIGINAL: deliveredarling
Like this
ETA
Just testing the directions
Not working. Try this:
LINK
Thanks Number One! Make it so!
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 3:17:24 PM
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Not working. Try this:
LINK
Why didn't mine work? I followed her directions or maybe I should ask, what is it that you did?
The link box automatically add http:// so be sure to delete that part when you paste in you link. Otherwise you end up with two http:// and the link won't work.
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 3:21:20 PM
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JimboFletch
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Not working. Try this:
LINK
Why didn't mine work? I followed her directions or maybe I should ask, what is it that you did?
There is an extra "h ttp://" in the link.
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 3:24:52 PM
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The link box automatically add http:// so be sure to delete that part when you paste in you link. Otherwise you end up with two http:// and the link won't work.
Laura, I didn't delete the http:// - I pasted the entire URL. The software eliminated the duplicate. But in the link that didn't work, there was a space between "h" and the "ttp://" so the software didn't recognize it as a whole link and put "http://" in front.
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 3:41:13 PM
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laura...
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Here's a story for you. While working at a former job, we started seeing signs posted around the building encouraging people to go to the gym. (All employees had free memberships to the gym of their choice.) Because I thought that was odd, and I'm nosy naturally, I asked my supervisor about it. He confided in me that the insurance company was threatening to raise the group rate because so many people are now overweight--not so many people at our company, so many people in general. (At our company, I would say more than half of the 75 or so employees were overweight, with about a dozen who were seriously obese.)
The head honchos were trying to keep the rates the same--both for the employees and for them, since they were paying the bulk of the premiums. The company had been getting a discount for offering the gym memberships, which offset the extra amount they had to pay for any smokers on staff. But the insurance company had decided to take away the blanket gym discount and only give discounts for employees that actually went to the gym. Basically, our managers were required to get documentation each month from each gym that showed how many times each employee showed up to work out.
After a couple of months of the new signs, there weren't any more people going to the gym, so a "Biggest Loser" contest was announced. The GM said it was cheaper to pay people to lose weight than to pay the higher insurance premiums and the deadline for that was coming up. Only five people signed up for the contest, which required at least one trip to the gym each week. So the company offered to pay for personal training for all employees that weren't regular gym goers. Two people took the offer. Three months later, our insurance premiums went up. (Doubled, in fact, for employees.)
The county I work for is doing the same...discount gym rate, weight watchers at work with reimbursements, biggest loser contests, hiking contests, and wellness programs. I would take advantage of some of it if it wasn't completely inconvenient if not down right impossible.
The discount gym membership is still out of my budget and the gym is a good distance from home and work.
The weight watchers group and the weigh-ins for the biggest loser contest "check in" at the county adm. building during work hours. Our office isn't at the county adm. building but in a different city. I can't just run into the office up a floor on a 15 minute break or at lunch. It would take me at least 40 minutes round trip.
The wellness program offers blood screenings and such that I am already doing on a very regular basis with my doctor.
I might rethink the hiking contest if it's still ongoing.
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RE: Fat fee? Paying because of obesity - 8/27/2008 3:45:00 PM
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deliveredarling
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Well, the signs were more like "Your gym membership is free! Take advantage!" or "Get healthy in 2005! Hit the gym!" They all had little cartoon people lifting weights and stuff. By the time the Biggest Loser contest started, everyone knew why the company was trying to get everyone to go to the gym. But there were a lot of people who basically said, "No one's going to tell me what to do. If I don't want to go to the gym, I'm not going." I heard it over and over and over. So yeah, there were a lot of people who wouldn't even walk into a gym to swipe their card once a week to keep everyone's premiums from doubling. Now that's what I call selfish.
I think they went about it the wrong way. Your co-workers probably took it the same way I did. Had they of been upfront about it from the beginning and explained that this is what needed to occur in order for premiums to remain low, they might have embraced the idea.
They then would have made a reason to go. Not necessarily selfish, just decisions made without all the information presented to them. (basing this off the info you provided)
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So yeah, there were a lot of people who wouldn't even walk into a gym to swipe their card once a week to keep everyone's premiums from doubling. Now that's what I call selfish.
