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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/30/2008 1:11:52 PM
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tracydolls
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I would like to see some links to all of these studies mentioned also, from both sides.
http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/30/2008 1:18:41 PM
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(with seriousness) I am a conservative because i am a christian, and i believe the moral law needs to come from the Bible as much as possible. Primarily, in social issues such as abortion, same-sex marriage, and the 2nd ammendment, the moral law needs to be the base of our laws as much as possible. without an underlying moral law, you might as well try to rationalize anarchy (impossible)...and even communism...
Ok, then why don't your comrads that run the SC think the same way.
Republican conservative judges have always outnumbered liberals on the court. Always. How many more do we need before Roe is overturned. Look at the court when Roe came into play, look since then.
Just a bunch of yada, yada. Vote here, and we will change abortions,
God talks about the poor. ALOT. But we have missed that, over 1000 verses.
WE want some babies to come here so we don't have to feed them. They need to get up, pull theirselves up by the bootstraps and find a job in this good economy.
to me Republicans are hypocrites of the highest order!
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/30/2008 1:40:17 PM
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T.D. Jakes, the next Billy Graham by some, does support Obama--and he's the most famous televison preacher....
I'm not sure if thats a good example of an Obama Endorsement. Too much controversy with the TV Church, no matter who is on. I wouldn't put T. D. and Billy Graham in the same breath, and my comment has ABSOLUTELY NOThING to do with race.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/30/2008 1:45:14 PM
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WE want some babies to come here so we don't have to feed them. They need to get up, pull theirselves up by the bootstraps and find a job in this good economy.
Okay, I take back what I said in an earlier thread.....THIS is the most asinine post I've seen on these forums (and that's saying something)
You heard it here folks! The GOP wants BABIES to go out and get jobs! Wow!
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/30/2008 9:18:10 PM
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T.D. Jakes, the next Billy Graham by some, does support Obama--and he's the most famous televison preacher....
I like T.D. Jakes and do watch him some on TV even though I don't fully agree with him on some teachings. Don't see him as the next Billy Graham because they are two pretty different men.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/30/2008 9:27:49 PM
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WE want some babies to come here so we don't have to feed them. They need to get up, pull theirselves up by the bootstraps and find a job in this good economy.
Okay, I take back what I said in an earlier thread.....THIS is the most asinine post I've seen on these forums (and that's saying something)
You heard it here folks! The GOP wants BABIES to go out and get jobs! Wow!
Very funny considering it's only an Obama supporter making the comment. Another false claim made.
Republicans are fighting to save the lives of babies everyday where as the democrats and proabortion folks are eager to take their lives without a second thought.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/31/2008 2:18:06 AM
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(with seriousness) I am a conservative because i am a christian, and i believe the moral law needs to come from the Bible as much as possible. Primarily, in social issues such as abortion, same-sex marriage, and the 2nd ammendment, the moral law needs to be the base of our laws as much as possible. without an underlying moral law, you might as well try to rationalize anarchy (impossible)...and even communism...
Ok, then why don't your comrads that run the SC think the same way.
Republican conservative judges have always outnumbered liberals on the court. Always. How many more do we need before Roe is overturned. Look at the court when Roe came into play, look since then.
Just a bunch of yada, yada. Vote here, and we will change abortions,
God talks about the poor. ALOT. But we have missed that, over 1000 verses.
WE want some babies to come here so we don't have to feed them. They need to get up, pull theirselves up by the bootstraps and find a job in this good economy.
to me Republicans are hypocrites of the highest order!
All the pro-life justices were appointed by Republicans. Democrats only appoint justices who think it is a constituional right to suck the brains out of babies during birth, so they "don't have to feed them."
Fifty million dead and liberals still aren't satisfied.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/31/2008 2:33:08 AM
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SIGH .....
First of all ... I am not a supporter of EITHER candidate, and am a fierce independent who generally votes a mixed ticket.
Secondly ... I am so weary of people jumping to the conclusion that only one party espouses Biblical views.
I believe Biblical stands are scattered throughout both parties ... one party platform opposes abortion (their candidate doesn't, however) and the other party supports justice for the poor.
I won't question the Christianity of anyone on this forum ... no matter what political party they're affiliated with.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/31/2008 8:04:08 AM
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SIGH .....
First of all ... I am not a supporter of EITHER candidate, and am a fierce independent who generally votes a mixed ticket.
Secondly ... I am so weary of people jumping to the conclusion that only one party espouses Biblical views.
I believe Biblical stands are scattered throughout both parties ... one party platform opposes abortion (their candidate doesn't, however) and the other party supports justice for the poor.
I won't question the Christianity of anyone on this forum ... no matter what political party they're affiliated with.
Do you think that someone can be a good person and not have faith at all, but still go to Heaven?
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/31/2008 10:07:29 AM
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ORIGINAL: gaylel1
T.D. Jakes, the next Billy Graham by some, does support Obama--and he's the most famous televison preacher....
I'm not sure if thats a good example of an Obama Endorsement. Too much controversy with the TV Church, no matter who is on. I wouldn't put T. D. and Billy Graham in the same breath, and my comment has ABSOLUTELY NOThING to do with race.
Funny you felt compelled to add that caveat.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/31/2008 12:10:52 PM
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ORIGINAL: ladioffaith
SIGH .....
First of all ... I am not a supporter of EITHER candidate, and am a fierce independent who generally votes a mixed ticket.
Secondly ... I am so weary of people jumping to the conclusion that only one party espouses Biblical views.
I believe Biblical stands are scattered throughout both parties ... one party platform opposes abortion (their candidate doesn't, however) and the other party supports justice for the poor.
I won't question the Christianity of anyone on this forum ... no matter what political party they're affiliated with.
Some people also oppose dishonesty. McCain's pro-life abortion record is nearly unblemished. That's called justice for the poor considering most children murdered by abortionists are poor.
Read up on charitable giving. Conservatives are far more charitable than liberals. In the last election every state except one that was above the national average in charity went for Bush.
BO has had years in which his family made hundreds of thousands of dollars and they gave almost noting to charity. He has a brother that lives in a shack made out of garbage and he has done nothing to help him.
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/31/2008 1:44:14 PM
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Well
I don't know about ya'll. But I think it is ironic that Gustav is about to hit New Orleans on the first day of the Republicans Convention. Very close to the date of Katrina and Rita.
I think to remind us of Katrina, to give some of those in power a second chance to redeem theirselves, and to remind the poor of this world.
That people are trying to DEVOUR them.
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Pro 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.
Pro 30:13 There is a generation, O how lofty are their eyes! and their eyelids are lifted up.
Pro 30:14 There is a generation, whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives, to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men. Pro 30:15 The horseleach hath two daughters, crying, Give, giv. There are three things that are never satisfied, yea, four things say not, It is enough:
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RE: Christians and Voting - 8/31/2008 2:24:50 PM
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Funny you felt compelled to add that caveat.
I'm sorry maybe I'm stll a little sleepy but, what exactly was that supposed to mean?
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RE: How Could a Christian Support Obama? - 8/31/2008 4:11:49 PM
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I really just want to know from people who claim to be christian and who believe fully in the Word of God. Those who have looked at the voting record of Obama and even the stands of the democratic party, how can you vote for Obama? Issue after issue how do you support what God opposes? I can see where people lose faith in christianity. One person told me in my last post on this forum that I would be left stranded on the road if I broke down for being overweight. That's nice to know.
Just don't get people claiming God but denying what the bible says about living it out. May be some person is going to shed some light.
Anybody who thinks likes this (with no offense to the OP), in my estimation, should take a look at this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Gods-Politics-Right-Wrong-Doesnt/dp/0060834471/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1220213162&sr=1-1
Its called "God's Politics: Why the Right Gets It Wrong, and the Left Doesn't Get It" by Jim Wallice, and its a very frank look at both the Republican and Democratic parties, and how they traditionally view religion and use it in their political agendas. Such as how one side has tried to use religion to polarize people, while the other side has basically just ignored religion altogether. I found it to be very well balanced as it critcizes and commends BOTH sides for their uses of God and religion. It also does a good job of showing how people who maybe don't believe the same thing as you(regarding such things as abortion, civil rights, the war in Iraq, poverty, capital punishment, etc.) can vote for someone you don't agree with, and still call themselves a Christian.
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RE: How Could a Christian Support Obama? - 8/31/2008 5:46:32 PM
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Conservatives are far more charitable than liberals
Really? Then how come so many believers don't tithe 10% nor do they give gifts? Ask any church today and you'll find many of their members don't tithe and if they do it's well below what God asks for. There's are gracious givers on both sides.
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RE: How Could a Christian Support Obama? - 8/31/2008 7:07:30 PM
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Really? Then how come so many believers don't tithe 10% nor do they give gifts? Ask any church today and you'll find many of their members don't tithe and if they do it's well below what God asks for. There's are gracious givers on both sides.
I dont know but this might be a comment for another post. After all, tithing was part of the law, and last I checked Christ redeemed us from the CURSE of the Law(and everything that came with it!) I know this will open up a can of worms, but lets be realistic, most Americans are having a hard tme filing up their gas tanks, it was only a matter of time before "tithes" suffered. I guess some preachers might get their Cadilacs repo'd, LOL! Again about the tithing comment, probably not appropriate for this thread on POLITICS.
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RE: How Could a Christian Support Obama? - 9/1/2008 10:59:29 AM
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Where did this thread go?
Ok, now that I found it, how can any Christian support any of them?
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RE: How Could a Christian Support Obama? - 9/1/2008 1:24:59 PM
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Hey Tracydolls, I just got back from a Labor Day Parade in Paducah, KY, and let me tell you, I seen PLenty of support for Barack, and alot of support was from older, caucasians in KY. I find it encouraging and as a sign that some Americans are coming around regardless of race. Even here in the SOuth!
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RE: How Could a Christian Support Obama? - 9/1/2008 2:04:29 PM
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I saw this thread and had to respond.
First if someone can answer a question for me not based on opinion but based on God's Word. What is the greater sin, abortion or a child dying of starvation?
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RE: How Could a Christian Support Obama? - 9/1/2008 2:20:24 PM
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ORIGINAL: stonek
If you are a unbeliever or a proclaimed atheist you don't need to reply for what I am asking does not apply to you at all. I really just want to know from people who claim to be christian and who believe fully in the Word of God. Those who have looked at the voting record of Obama and even the stands of the democratic party, how can you vote for Obama? Issue after issue how do you support what God opposes? I can see where people lose faith in christianity. One person told me in my last post on this forum that I would be left stranded on the road if I broke down for being overweight. That's nice to know.
Just don't get people claiming God but denying what the bible says about living it out. May be some person is going to shed some light.
What you have to understand as well as other GOP = GOD folks is that GOP DOES NOT EQUAL GOD, and that we are voting for politicians here who are all flawed as we are flawed and that not all their views on both sides of the aisle line up with scripture and definitely they way they both live doesn't line up with the bible either.
I agree with Cal Thomas Evangelicals have to grow up and realize they are not voting for clergy here, they are voting for politicians.
I know several strong Christians supporting Obama and I know of agnostics who support McCain.
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RE: How Could a Christian Support Obama? - 9/1/2008 2:21:51 PM
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I saw this thread and had to respond.
First if someone can answer a question for me not based on opinion but based on God's Word. What is the greater sin, abortion or a child dying of starvation?
Both are equal.
Just as endorsing homosexuality and lying to invade a nation and causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people.
Their is sin in the doctrine of both parties.
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RE: How Could a Christian Support Obama? - 9/1/2008 2:29:36 PM
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If both parties have shares equaling sin against the Lord Most High
on what biblical principle then do most Christians on these forums support McCain and the GOP?
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RE: How Could a Christian Support Obama? - 9/1/2008 3:04:14 PM
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ORIGINAL: AGGoldstein
I saw this thread and had to respond.
First if someone can answer a question for me not based on opinion but based on God's Word. What is the greater sin, abortion or a child dying of starvation?
Both are equal.
Just as endorsing homosexuality and lying to invade a nation and causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people.
Their is sin in the doctrine of both parties.
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Both are equal.
Just as endorsing homosexuality and lying to invade a nation and causing the deaths of thousands of innocent people.
Their is sin in the doctrine of both parties.
WOW! FINALLY, people that get it! Hallelujah! For a minute their I was beginning to think that the US was having a Pastoral Election.
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RE: How Could a Christian Support Obama? - 9/1/2008 3:38:51 PM
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If both parties have shares equaling sin against the Lord Most High
on what biblical principle then do most Christians on these forums support McCain and the GOP?
I have an oppinion:
1) I do think political party can become an idol. 2) Mr McCain may have deep simpathy from people because he is a veterean of war and was prisoner of war...he served his country as many did too. This nation is a nation of war with largest arsenal in the world. There are many veterans and people who are proud patriots for serving the country, of course. 3) Mr. McCain is a politician for a looong time and I think he is viewed as moderate Republican.
About bible principles and why people who read their bibles forget Mr McCain actual marriage was born in adultery, and many christians do believe in marriage covenants before the Lord. Why people choose to ignore that and why people choose to point out most the other candidate des-qualifications - I dont understand. If someone wants to take 10 Commandments to the heart and not just fight for it to be shown in public places, at least do take into consideration the standings of both candidates . Because to me is hypocresy, before the Lord Most High and the world observing their testimonies, as one party saying they are the ones carrying the banner of God, biblical principles etc etc when they too miss the mark.
Now, most Christians on these foruns may have their standings as a particular group of conservatives posting for a while here and even belong to specific denomination, country region and even skin color in their majority belongs to GOP, it seems GOP is the right wing (?) do have a known face of some sorts. But there are other groups of conservatives and moderates Christians that are maybe not here represented (as some are and more steady vocal) and have not an already "known face" but sure we will see their votes in their elections where their standings are. I am certain people who belongs and trust the Lord will pray and observe all and in the midst of propaganda going on both sides etc, finaly cast votes in November and than we will see the results in reality of facts!
[Thank you, my oppinion, as foreigner born, born again believer at 33 , who lives in US for almost 20 years. )
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