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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/25/2008 8:02:44 PM
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Jhud
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I was thinking more like...viruses. (Read The Hot Zone? Muahahahahaha... )
I haven't read the Hot Zone, but viruses often play the baddie - Andromeda Strain, The Stand, half the made for tv movies on the scifi channel...
Then again, technically viruses aren't animals. (Sorry, I have to use my biology major whenever possible to justify the money spent on it).
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/25/2008 8:24:40 PM
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I recommend "Virus Hunters of the CDC"
lots of nerdy action!
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/25/2008 8:27:51 PM
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Jhud
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Technically, you're right, but there are more than them than there are wild animals running about stalking humans.
True, but I can't imagine Dorthy going through the forest chanting, "Influenza, Ebola and SARS, oh my!"
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"Death from the common cold...muahahahahahahaha... Sorry, I got carried away. (And I do highly recommend The Hot Zone. Ebola is fuh-reaky!)
I got queasy watching Edward Norton die of cholera in The Painted Veil - I don't think it would be very good summertime reading for me.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/25/2008 9:12:44 PM
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Then again, technically viruses aren't animals. (Sorry, I have to use my biology major whenever possible to justify the money spent on it).
Technically, viruses aren't even alive, either.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/25/2008 9:21:42 PM
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I agree with the others that animals(that includes us) did not eat meat until after the flood look at Gen 9:2 "And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth" what does this mean? I think it means this is when animals started fearing humans and humans started fearing animals. I think this is where the animals became wild. Sinful/post flood earth made things a whole lot different. Sin messed up the WHOLE WORLD not just man.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/25/2008 9:42:50 PM
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Corrie Ten Boom and her sister were very grateful for lice and fleas while they were in concentration camps. It kept the Nazis from molesting them.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/25/2008 9:47:27 PM
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They are demanding attention to their plight, and violent behavior is the only way they know how.
Well, I wish they'd quit eating us and start using more peaceful forms of protest. Like picketing government buildings and writing their congressmen. This agressive behavior is getting them no where.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/25/2008 9:51:46 PM
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???????
With all due respect, where the heck did it say that lions used to eat grass?
You're right, Torchheart; I blew it. It's future, not past. Isaiah 11:7:
The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
Thanks for the head's up, so I could correct it.
It wasn't until after Noah's Flood that people were given permission to eat meat, so they had been vegetarians up to that point:
Genesis 1:29, 30
Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
So animals originally were vegetarians, too, but I can't find a verse where that changes for the carnivores. Maybe someone else here knows it.
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Was that recently added to texts (recently meaning in the middle ages)?
I don't think any accepted version of the Bible has anything that was added after the cannonization of Scripture, except that one verse in Matthew in the KJV (I can dig it up if you're interested but it might take a couple of days; I don't have it at hand). I don't think any of the main other versions have it in there, but I may be misremembering (give me credit; I took the hermeneutics class back in 1974!).
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I realize that many carnivorous animals will eat grass as a means to aid with digestion, but its far from their main source of nutrition and I don't recall there being any evidence that this ever was the case.
And how do we know that every animal was a "vegetarian?" Tyranosaurus, Velocoraptor, Allosaurus, etc. were all clearly carnivours creatures for a LONG time before any of this.
All we know for sure is what Scripture tells us. It seems reasonable to me that there were dinosaurs as part of the creation, they were probably on the Ark, and if so then they ate only plants before the flood according to the above verse. Since there were only one pair of each kind of animal, except there were seven pairs of the clean ones that were suitable for sacrifice later, there would have been nothing for carnivores to eat for a whole year on the Ark.
But I'm not basing my point on reason and logic but on the above verse.
Edit: Ah, beaten by Waitingforreturn! I should read everything before responding (itchy keyboard fingers). You guys are cracking me up! I want to know if Caesar gets a thank-you note from the flea collar makers, OK?  It's only right...
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/25/2008 10:09:20 PM
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???????
With all due respect, where the heck did it say that lions used to eat grass?
You're right, Torchheart; I blew it. It's future, not past. Isaiah 11:7:
The cow will feed with the bear,
their young will lie down together,
and the lion will eat straw like the ox.
Thanks for the head's up, so I could correct it.
It wasn't until after Noah's Flood that people were given permission to eat meat, so they had been vegetarians up to that point:
Genesis 1:29, 30
Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
So animals originally were vegetarians, too, but I can't find a verse where that changes for the carnivores. Maybe someone else here knows it.
As I stated before, that doesn't mean that animals were originally vegetarians. The reason you can't find a verse is because it never had to change. There were carnivores, too.
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Was that recently added to texts (recently meaning in the middle ages)?
I don't think any accepted version of the Bible has anything that was added after the cannonization of Scripture, except that one verse in Matthew in the KJV (I can dig it up if you're interested but it might take a couple of days; I don't have it at hand). I don't think any of the main other versions have it in there, but I may be misremembering (give me credit; I took the hermeneutics class back in 1974!).
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I realize that many carnivorous animals will eat grass as a means to aid with digestion, but its far from their main source of nutrition and I don't recall there being any evidence that this ever was the case.
And how do we know that every animal was a "vegetarian?" Tyranosaurus, Velocoraptor, Allosaurus, etc. were all clearly carnivours creatures for a LONG time before any of this.
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ORIGINAL: deermousie
All we know for sure is what Scripture tells us. It seems reasonable to me that there were dinosaurs as part of the creation, they were probably on the Ark, and if so then they ate only plants before the flood according to the above verse. Since there were only one pair of each kind of animal, except there were seven pairs of the clean ones that were suitable for sacrifice later, there would have been nothing for carnivores to eat for a whole year on the Ark.
But I'm not basing my point on reason and logic but on the above verse.
1st... there was MORE than one pair of each kind of animal on the ark, even the ones that weren't clean for sacrifice. That's a common misconception. I used to have a book on this that showed the actual interpretation, but I think I sold it on a rummage sale (figures... just when I realize that I need something...) 
2nd... Dinosaurs were millions of years gone by the time the ark came about. Personally, I'd hate to see poor Noah trying to coax a couple of Apatosaurus into the ark after he's already packed it full of several dozen of their smelly cousins, not to mention a bunch of other animals. Also, the smell.... and I thought cleaning up after my dog was bad.
3rd... you are forgetting one thing that ALL animals drink at one time or another (with the exception of insects) that would've helped to sustain them... MILK. Pretty much all animals would've been able to survive on milik. Also, if you need to feed carnivors, there are fish in the ocean. The rains probably wouldn't have affected them much.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/25/2008 10:18:27 PM
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Or it was localized flooding and not every animal in the world was on the ark, or it is allegorical.
Or maybe some animals on the Ark ate others.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/25/2008 10:59:08 PM
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WEEEEEELL! I can send that movie back to NetFlix, tomorrow. Thanks, Jhud.
Actually, I really liked the rest of the movie, other than the slow painful death part.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/25/2008 11:02:40 PM
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I remember a grade school science teacher telling us the it is all a cycle;
mosquitos eat people, fish eat mosquitos, and people eat fish. That was a life changing teaching for me.
Unless you are being chased by cannibals and you fall in a river full of piranhas. Then the cycle is all out of whack.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/26/2008 2:15:52 PM
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I have never seen the need for crocodiles and aligators, except purses.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/26/2008 2:18:04 PM
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I have never seen the need for crocodiles and aligators, except purses.
That doesn't make them "bad" though, does it?
(Oh, and you forgot belts)
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/26/2008 2:21:05 PM
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Eating poor Zebras and deer makes them bad.
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/26/2008 2:23:16 PM
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OK, but what makes zebras so good?
(I'd ask the same thing about deer, but my uncle just gave me some venison jerky, so I already know the answer there.)
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RE: Why Did God Create "Bad" Animals? - 8/26/2008 2:24:57 PM
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Zebra are pretty, and eat grass, and have Little Debbie Cakes named after them. They are NICE.
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Sorry, I got carried away. (And I do highly recommend The Hot Zone. Ebola is fuh-reaky!)
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