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Bible Codes? - 8/24/2008 4:26:43 PM
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Thessa
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Do any of you know anything about these? Or their validity?
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/24/2008 5:52:47 PM
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Probably any 'validity' is in the mind and imagination of the interrupter.
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/24/2008 8:04:04 PM
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/24/2008 9:09:29 PM
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They are pretty hoaxy, if you ask me. Especially when you consider that similar messages can be found in, say, Moby Dick.
Plus, there's no biblical support for them. Nowhere in Scripture do we see hidden codes even hinted at. If God wanted us looking for them, why didn't He tell us?
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/24/2008 10:33:19 PM
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I love the bible code, I love the phenomenal parallels they seem to consistently follow..... unlike moby dick or any other piece of literature (satan is the great imatater of course) the bible code follows amazing patterns, and points to good scripture.
validity has nothing to do with this. I think it was just something coincidentally neat that someone stumbled across that I can appreciate.
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/25/2008 5:39:39 PM
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Everything you ever need to know about God is there for you to read about in plain English in His Word called the Bible.
what if you are illiterate, or live in a 3rd world country that does not yet have a translation of the bible?
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/25/2008 6:14:17 PM
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I love the bible code, I love the phenomenal parallels they seem to consistently follow..... unlike moby dick or any other piece of literature (satan is the great imitator of course) the bible code follows amazing patterns, and points to good scripture. Validity has nothing to do with this. I think it was just something coincidentally neat that someone stumbled across that I can appreciate.
You may love it but it is fake. Anyone can start of at any latter in scripture count from there and have it say whatever. Validity has everything to do with it. It's not worth the sand of my shoes. It is nonsense.
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/25/2008 6:25:35 PM
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what if you are illiterate, or live in a 3rd world country that does not yet have a translation of the bible?
Then Bible codes sure won't help you out. ; )
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/25/2008 7:43:21 PM
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^^^^ LOL Mr. Fribbles
Man is trying to pursue something not given by the Spirit of God. Man has taken it upon himself to prophesize when the Lord has not spoken a word.
I wonder if some computer programmer sometime in the near future will get this 'bible code' thing down to a fine science and predict that something will happen because the codes have shown it to be so. Then, many a man will put his 'faith' into this false word of God only to have it come back and slap him upside the head, perhaps costing more then the follower can bear.
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/25/2008 8:15:19 PM
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ORIGINAL: makarizo
I love the bible code, I love the phenomenal parallels they seem to consistently follow..... unlike moby dick or any other piece of literature (satan is the great imitator of course) the bible code follows amazing patterns, and points to good scripture. Validity has nothing to do with this. I think it was just something coincidentally neat that someone stumbled across that I can appreciate.
You may love it but it is fake. Anyone can start of at any latter in scripture count from there and have it say whatever. Validity has everything to do with it. It's not worth the sand of my shoes. It is nonsense.
I appreciate your opinion......... prove to me it is fake. otherwise stick an "imo" in it, cause that what it is.
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/25/2008 8:23:33 PM
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prove to me it is fake.
How can someone disprove a method that can be made to say pretty much whatever the seeker wants?
To me, that's the primary problem with Bible codes. People can manipulate them, and then pick and choose the results they want. If they predict, or affirm, something that ends up being false, then the Bible code-ers ignore those results and claim they were using the wrong ELS for that particular portion. That seems mighty convenient to me.
Yes, the ELS's can be used to rightly affirm certain past events, but similar processes have been used in secular books. If you want to believe that's because they were demonically planted, that's fine. I can't prove that wrong, anymore than I prove those who claim backtracking is demonic wrong. But you won't convince me, just as I'm pretty sure I won't convince you.
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/25/2008 9:10:23 PM
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I didn't know anything about Bible codes until I was accused of being in the same camp with shadows. So I picked a program to investigate what they were.
They are simply words that show up in proximity to one another, and there is no fixed set of rules for determining how close or distant that proximity may be to determine if something is meaningful or not.
So I started a number of searches for phrases that I knew to be false. I got many of them to hit with the software. As I played with it I learned how to construct phrases to get more hits.
So I am convinced personally that it is nothing more than what occurs in natural language, and even the more structured tests that others have done produce statistics that effectively say the same thing.
The shadows that I share have nothing to do with Bible codes.
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/26/2008 1:49:42 AM
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prove to me it is fake.
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ORIGINAL: MrFribbles
How can someone disprove a method that can be made to say pretty much whatever the seeker wants? To me, that's the primary problem with Bible codes. People can manipulate them, and then pick and choose the results they want. If they predict, or affirm, something that ends up being false, then the Bible code-ers ignore those results and claim they were using the wrong ELS for that particular portion. That seems mighty convenient to me. Yes, the ELS's can be used to rightly affirm certain past events, but similar processes have been used in secular books. If you want to believe that's because they were demonically planted, that's fine. I can't prove that wrong, anymore than I prove those who claim backtracking is demonic wrong. But you won't convince me, just as I'm pretty sure I won't convince you.
Well I couldn't have said it better myself. It can be proven fake just as MrFribbles has said. I can pick up any given book, even a comic book and predict something with it. Also seeing as how scripture is translated into many languages how do Bible coders explain these codes saying something different if the same starting point, spacing and end point is used?
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/26/2008 5:48:37 AM
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When gawking at "Bible Codes" we would probably serve ourselves best to define what we are taling about when we mention this group. We could be talking about Gematria (which while odd, might carry some weight), or Equidistant Letter Spacing. Gematria is an ancient practice by Rabbinic Judaism... as such, it is possible that there might be something more to it than meets the eye. I'm not saying it is, but it doesn't destory my faith to find out there is.
Equidistant Letter Spacing, while an intriguing little phenomena, has no real value. Why? Because the same exact thing can be accomplishd in almost any piece of literature. If you use a highpowered computer, you can find "prophecies" in just about any book. Why? Because the rules of the method are so fluid that there might as well not be any. Skip an equal number of letters between each letter of the word, then look at the passage where those letters were found to see if there are any corollaries. It doesn't discount any distance between letters, which means it has a high probability of being mere coincidence. Considering how many characters there are in each passage of scripture, how many variants there are on the Hebraic source texts themselves, how many characters have been skipped to prove a point (one case study I saw used an equidistant space of more than 3000 letters), and how many various passages those letters would all intersect, I find this "art" more subjective fascination than anything else.
If you look hard enough, most referrences to people or places can be found more than once, using more than one spacing value... so honestly, I find it a highly manufactured form of study. If something coincides, that intriguing... but more often than not, it's just not that shocking.
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/26/2008 11:12:13 AM
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I appreciate your opinion......... prove to me it is fake. otherwise stick an "imo" in it, cause that what it is.
The KJV of the Bible has 783137 letters in it. So with a little time and a lot of imagination one could make the "Codes" say anythng that one would want to make it say.
One could even find the following "The Codes are balogna".
Thanks
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/26/2008 1:39:47 PM
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Going off of RCJames I could make predictions for myself. I could use these codes to say that I would type this exact thing I type now. I could use it to say that I going to put some song on my ipod in 10 minutes.
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/26/2008 5:17:21 PM
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Everything you ever need to know about God is there for you to read about in plain English in His Word called the Bible.
what if you are illiterate, or live in a 3rd world country that does not yet have a translation of the bible?
I guess in this case you`ll either have to learn to read or have somebody read to you that can read. This is why translators are busy translating Bibles into all of the worlds languages. God speaks to us through words we can all understand and not through codes. That`s why when it comes to the Bible ignorance is no excuss.
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/26/2008 5:28:01 PM
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Why would a God who reveals himself through His creation then go and try and hide secret bits of information that only a few select people could find?
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/26/2008 6:23:05 PM
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A big Amen from my corner! Let's stick to what is plain written... We have a hard enough time figuring what is written, without let alone some encrypted code.
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/26/2008 6:37:36 PM
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I don't think there is a secret code and I do think color, number, etc. principles are dangerous as basis' for ones beliefs. However, Matthew acknowledges rabbinic numerology in Yeshua's(Jesus') genelology.
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/28/2008 12:29:54 PM
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I was aware of superstition before I was saved. I no longer find any great mystery, intrigue, or interest in superstition now.
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RE: Bible Codes? - 8/28/2008 12:48:38 PM
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I was aware of superstition before I was saved.
Me too.
I find it interesting ... as in how it started, why people believe it, why it has a hold on them ... it doesn't mean I believe in those superstitions, but they can be used as a tool to leading someone to the Lord.
Being aware of something is not the same thing as believing.
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SORRY! I think Bible codes are a lot of bologna. If God wants us to study His Book, why would He code it in such a way that only somebody with a good modern day computer program would be able to figure it out? Duet.29:29 tells us that "the secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our children forever, that we may follow all the words of this law." Everything you ever need to know about God is there for you to read about in plain English in His Word called the Bible. No codes necessary.
