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ORIGINAL: Carico

Isaiah 54:16, "And it is I who have created the destroyer to work havoc:..." Did Eve eat from the fruit of the tree because she wanted to disobey God? No. She ate it because she was being deceived by Satan that she would become like God herself.

God created Satan to work havoc just as he scattered everyone at Babyl to confuse languages so that man would not become arrogant. God has complete control over Satan and can bind him in an instant. But he doesn't because as Romans 11:32 explains, "For God bound all men over to disobedience so he can have mercy on them all."

So God allows Satan to deceive:

The Jews because of their disobedience. Romans 11:8, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so they could not see and ears so they could not hear, to this very day."

The Muslims who are the sons of Ishmael prophesied to live in hostility with all their brothers to reject Jesus and make up Allah who is a figment of the imagination of Mohammed. So can the Muslims believe Christ's words? NO. Because they are being deceived by Satan.

Gentiles whom He prepares for destruction: Matthew 11:25-27, "I praise you Father, Lord of heaven and earth for hiding these things from the wise and learned and revealing them to little children. For that was your good pleasure." Romans 9:18 "Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy and he hardens whom he wants to harden."

But unfortunately, many "Christians" don't believe that. They don't understand that the employer, not the employees, is the one who has the right to hire and fire anyone he wants as Jesus illustrates in the parable of the worker in Matthew 20. He doesn't need to ask his employees whether they want to stay at their job or seek their counsel because the employer is the boss, no if's and's or but's.

But to show His sovereignty and election even more, God chooses some people from the Muslims, Jews and Gentiles whom only He knew before the creation of the world. So one cannot predict God any more than God can be quantified or analyzed. [;)]

So if you don't understand God's sovereignty, then seek out scripture to see that election can only be done by God, not man. But questioning that God has the right to do anything he wants , all the while claiming that he is sovereign, is mutually exclusive. He cannot both be sovereign and at the same time depend on man for a thing. He is complete and perfect as he is.

Thus, one cannot both believe in free will and that Satan deceives. Being deceived takes all choice away from man just as being enlightened by the Holy Spirit takes all choice away from man because there are only 2 powers operating in the world, "God and Satan. We are ruled by one or the other.

But here's the rub; since none of us knows if God is calling us, we are all completely accountable for our actions, attitudes, and beliefs. So God's plan is perfect because He makes us accountable so we follow our heart and at the same time, retains His sovereignty. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: rwe2156

Double predestination is not biblical.

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ORIGINAL: cow451

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ORIGINAL: Carico

Isaiah 54:16, "And it is I who have created the destroyer to work havoc:..." Did Eve eat from the fruit of the tree because she wanted to disobey God? No. She ate it because she was being deceived by Satan that she would become like God herself.

God created Satan to work havoc just as he scattered everyone at Babyl to confuse languages so that man would not become arrogant. God has complete control over Satan and can bind him in an instant. But he doesn't because as Romans 11:32 explains, "For God bound all men over to disobedience so he can have mercy on them all."

So God allows Satan to deceive:

The Jews because of their disobedience. Romans 11:8, "God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so they could not see and ears so they could not hear, to this very day."

The Muslims who are the sons of Ishmael prophesied to live in hostility with all their brothers to reject Jesus and make up Allah who is a figment of the imagination of Mohammed. So can the Muslims believe Christ's words? NO. Because they are being deceived by Satan.

Gentiles whom He prepares for destruction: Matthew 11:25-27, "I praise you Father, Lord of heaven and earth for hiding these things from the wise and learned and revealing them to little children. For that was your good pleasure." Romans 9:18 "Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy and he hardens whom he wants to harden."

But unfortunately, many "Christians" don't believe that. They don't understand that the employer, not the employees, is the one who has the right to hire and fire anyone he wants as Jesus illustrates in the parable of the worker in Matthew 20. He doesn't need to ask his employees whether they want to stay at their job or seek their counsel because the employer is the boss, no if's and's or but's.

But to show His sovereignty and election even more, God chooses some people from the Muslims, Jews and Gentiles whom only He knew before the creation of the world. So one cannot predict God any more than God can be quantified or analyzed. [;)]

So if you don't understand God's sovereignty, then seek out scripture to see that election can only be done by God, not man. But questioning that God has the right to do anything he wants , all the while claiming that he is sovereign, is mutually exclusive. He cannot both be sovereign and at the same time depend on man for a thing. He is complete and perfect as he is.

Thus, one cannot both believe in free will and that Satan deceives. Being deceived takes all choice away from man just as being enlightened by the Holy Spirit takes all choice away from man because there are only 2 powers operating in the world, "God and Satan. We are ruled by one or the other.

But here's the rub; since none of us knows if God is calling us, we are all completely accountable for our actions, attitudes, and beliefs. So God's plan is perfect because He makes us accountable so we follow our heart and at the same time, retains His sovereignty. [:D]

Do you wake up this angry every day? So the point of today's rant is .....?