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clag4christ -> Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 12:13:20 PM)

HERE is the article stating that 85% of people polled on Airfarewatchdog.com stated that they wanted a separate section on flights given to parents with babies and/or small children. Hmm...As a parent of two small children (a 3 year old and a 16 month old) I say, sure...as long as it's first class! [;)][:)]



rcjames -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 1:31:45 PM)

What is it with all these children (baby) hating folks out there.

Thanks
RC



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 1:32:26 PM)

I wouldn't mind that. If it would mean I could breastfeed a baby without having to worry upsetting somebodies delicate sensibilities, I'm all for it. [8|]

But would this be a child-friendly section or just a "holding pen" for families with children?



clag4christ -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 1:37:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

What is it with all these children (baby) hating folks out there.

Thanks
RC



I have no idea!

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ORIGINAL: 3cappuccinosmom

I wouldn't mind that. If it would mean I could breastfeed a baby without having to worry upsetting somebodies delicate sensibilities, I'm all for it. [8|]

But would this be a child-friendly section or just a "holding pen" for families with children?


I have no idea...methinks it would be likely the very back of the plane and we'd have very poor service...since it's not just other passengers who are rude to families with small children, but often times it's also the flight attendants too...



stellaluna -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 3:00:26 PM)

After my last four-hour flight next to two screaming children--who were far old enough to know better--I'm all for it. [8|]



wing2000 -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 3:11:26 PM)

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But would this be a child-friendly section or just a "holding pen" for families with children?



...the whole cabin feels like a "holding pen" these days.



Starbucks880 -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 4:04:11 PM)

I think it would be even more ideal if they had family only flights and also flights where children weren't allowed. I know there are plenty of people--myself included--who would pay extra to not have to listen to someone's screaming brat the whole flight. I have no problems with parents who have enough respect for others to keep their kids under control--but the parents who let their kids scream, kick seats, throw tantrums and act as though it is cute and do nothing to stop it--that is irritating.



blessedinnyc -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 4:11:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: clag4christ
I have no idea...methinks it would be likely the very back of the plane and we'd have very poor service...since it's not just other passengers who are rude to families with small children, but often times it's also the flight attendants too...

Uh, excuse me, but many families with small children are also unintentionally rude to passengers. I was on an overnight flight to Brussels once, and the kids were climbing on my seat while their mother slept.

I finally woke her up and asked her to please stop letting her kids climb on my seat. I hope that waking her up isn't the kind of "rudeness" that many families experience.

At the very least, there should be a section for people who intend to sleep where the flight attendants are all former librarians.



rcjames -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 4:11:43 PM)

I look at the prospect of sitting next to some children who are frightened or usset as an opportunity to show my grandfathering skills and the love of Jesus to the family.

Too much concern about "Me, me, me, me, me" anymore and not enough concern about others who are having a bad day.

The last experience I had along these lines was returning from Korea. There were a lot of moms on the flight with multiple children each. In the beginning it was utter chaos, but soon I had a about 10 of the little children sittting with me or standing around me. The did not speak English and my Korean is really weak. We spoke the language of a loving grandfather and by showing magic tricks, singing songs, making faces etc. we all had a wonderful trip (12 hours or so).

Life and crowded airplanes are what one makes out the situations.

but that might just be me.

Thanks
RC



clag4christ -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 5:23:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rcjames

I look at the prospect of sitting next to some children who are frightened or usset as an opportunity to show my grandfathering skills and the love of Jesus to the family.

Too much concern about "Me, me, me, me, me" anymore and not enough concern about others who are having a bad day.

The last experience I had along these lines was returning from Korea. There were a lot of moms on the flight with multiple children each. In the beginning it was utter chaos, but soon I had a about 10 of the little children sittting with me or standing around me. The did not speak English and my Korean is really weak. We spoke the language of a loving grandfather and by showing magic tricks, singing songs, making faces etc. we all had a wonderful trip (12 hours or so).

Life and crowded airplanes are what one makes out the situations.

but that might just be me.

Thanks
RC


If more people were like you I think that plane flights would run much smoother...



clag4christ -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 5:30:43 PM)

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who would pay extra to not have to listen to someone's screaming brat the whole flight.


Is this really a Christian attitude to have?

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Uh, excuse me, but many families with small children are also unintentionally rude to passengers. I was on an overnight flight to Brussels once, and the kids were climbing on my seat while their mother slept.


This mother was careless and her children's actions were rude...

That being said, as a mother of very well behaved 'small' children I hate flying...not because my children act up but because of other people's perceptions of what they think my children will act like, just because they're kids. The last plane flight we took was when Hannah was 23 months old and Jael was 3 months old. Hannah of course was wonderful since she's well behaved anyway, but also because we planned ahead and brought special 'plane' toys and snacks for her to have to keep her occupied for the 2.5 hours it took to get from here to Denver. But I should not have to feel stressed out over the fact that my 3 month old is gonna cry (and did for a short period) because she got hungry. I was at the time nursing her and I got dirty looks from a flight attendant and the person I got stuck sitting next to (because of course they split my husband and I up [8|][:@]). I was completely nervous of showing some of my chest and offending the man sitting next to me...it was horrible...

Some compassion would be nice in those instances...but from some of the replies here it seems as if all of you go into your plane flights just waiting to be upset with families for flying on 'your' flight.

I reiterate...if they want to give us a section I think it should be first class...



zoebob -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 5:34:24 PM)

I would have a problem with it if I was travelling with well behaved children and was forced to travel in a section with misbehaving children.



clag4christ -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 5:50:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zoebob

I would have a problem with it if I was travelling with well behaved children and was forced to travel in a section with misbehaving children.


I agree with you there as well...

We've had that experience at restaurants. Our children are, like I said before, very well behaved, and it's horrible to be stuck in the 'family' section of an eating establishment with other families whose children are not made to sit still and eat in an appropriate manner.



blessedinnyc -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 5:51:46 PM)

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I would have a problem with it if I was travelling with well behaved children and was forced to travel in a section with misbehaving children.

Don't you have to do that already?

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ORIGINAL: clag4christ
That being said, as a mother of very well behaved 'small' children I hate flying...not because my children act up but because of other people's perceptions of what they think my children will act like, just because they're kids. The last plane flight we took was when Hannah was 23 months old and Jael was 3 months old. Hannah of course was wonderful since she's well behaved anyway, but also because we planned ahead and brought special 'plane' toys and snacks for her to have to keep her occupied for the 2.5 hours it took to get from here to Denver. But I should not have to feel stressed out over the fact that my 3 month old is gonna cry (and did for a short period) because she got hungry. I was at the time nursing her and I got dirty looks from a flight attendant and the person I got stuck sitting next to (because of course they split my husband and I up [8|][:@]). I was completely nervous of showing some of my chest and offending the man sitting next to me...it was horrible...

In a case like this, if I were sitting next to you and you asked about breastfeeding, I'd be totally ok making a trip to the bathroom while that was taken care of. It must be really hard travelling with infants; my family didn't even try to take me on the plane until I turned four (although I was a particularly bad screamer, in all fairness).

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Some compassion would be nice in those instances...but from some of the replies here it seems as if all of you go into your plane flights just waiting to be upset with families for flying on 'your' flight.

I don't mind crying babies if it's an afternoon flight. The problem is that it may not be the wisest move to take the overnight red-eye from New York to Europe with kids. I guess I would also ask for compassion from the parents who choose to fly with infants. Please plan ahead to try and find times to fly where crying or climbing kids will have less of an impact on passengers. And when you do fly, try to keep your kids under control.

In any case, my biggest beef is with the parents who don't realize or don't care that crying or climbing kids may inconvenience other passengers. If your kid is crying and you're making some sort of attempt to get her to stop, that's totally ok. It's the parents who don't bother who bug me.



clag4christ -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 6:04:19 PM)

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In a case like this, if I were sitting next to you and you asked about breastfeeding, I'd be totally ok making a trip to the bathroom while that was taken care of. It must be really hard travelling with infants; my family didn't even try to take me on the plane until I turned four (although I was a particularly bad screamer, in all fairness).


I didn't ask the man next to me if I could breastfeed my daughter. Just as I wouldn't ask him if he minded me eating my lunch. [8|] That is a very nice thing that you would offer to leave and go to the restroom during a nursing session, however, those typically last for anywhere from 20-40 minutes. I don't think you would have liked to have done that nor would you have been able to because she needed to eat on take-off...But still it is a nice sentiment that you have expressed.

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I guess I would also ask for compassion from the parents who choose to fly with infants. Please plan ahead to try and find times to fly where crying or climbing kids will have less of an impact on passengers. And when you do fly, try to keep your kids under control.


When we've flown as a family of 4 we've been traveling for my husband's work...so we fly in the morning. We have to get there when *he* needs to arrive...and for the record, my children have never and will never be permitted to climb in their seats...

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In any case, my biggest beef is with the parents who don't realize or don't care that crying or climbing kids may inconvenience other passengers. If your kid is crying and you're making some sort of attempt to get her to stop, that's totally ok. It's the parents who don't bother who bug me.


*I* have a problem with climbing children...but not with crying ones. Plane flights can upset their ears and tummies not to mention that they can be pretty scary because it's usually a brand new situation for them. Crying is a part of life with children. The times when I've flown with my babies when they were nursing I've tried to nurse them on take off and landing to avoid painful ear pressure on their part...but babies and small children cry...

What would a parent who's "not bothering" about a crying child look like?



blessedinnyc -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 6:32:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: clag4christ
When we've flown as a family of 4 we've been traveling for my husband's work...so we fly in the morning. We have to get there when *he* needs to arrive...and for the record, my children have never and will never be permitted to climb in their seats...

We never joined Dad on business- except for once to Florida, but we took a different flight. Maybe you could schedule a separate flight?

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*I* have a problem with climbing children...but not with crying ones. Plane flights can upset their ears and tummies not to mention that they can be pretty scary because it's usually a brand new situation for them. Crying is a part of life with children. The times when I've flown with my babies when they were nursing I've tried to nurse them on take off and landing to avoid painful ear pressure on their part...but babies and small children cry...

What would a parent who's "not bothering" about a crying child look like?

One who apparently ignores the fact that their child is crying; maybe they are reading, talking with someone, or sleeping. I see this happen with about 1/10-1/4 of parents on the plane.



garsyt -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 6:48:29 PM)

I have flown once with only one of my children. He was not quite 2 years old at the time. We boarded the plane and found our seats and IMMEDIATELY, before I even had a chance to stow our carry on, we had the flight attendant approach us and tell us that someone was complaining about our son, who had not said more then three words since we got on the plane, and had asked if we could be moved to the back of the plane where there were some empty seats.[&:] The plane hadn't even left the gates yet AND my son while excited about his first time on an airplane was not being overly loud or bratty. Nor was he crying or scared. He was looking out the window and had turned to his father and had said "look daddy! Planes!" I don't know who had "requested" we be moved, but I thought it was terribly rude to assume that simply because there was a child sitting nearby that there was going to be a problem. We moved however because I just didn't want to DEAL with someone having a fit over every little thing my child did. The bonus? We had pretty much the entire last 3 rows of the plan to ourselves, AND my ds got a seat that we didn't pay for.

RC - I WISH you had been sitting next to us on that flight! I'm certain my son would have had a LOVELY time!

Blessings,

Garsy



zoebob -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 7:00:05 PM)

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I would have a problem with it if I was travelling with well behaved children and was forced to travel in a section with misbehaving children.

Don't you have to do that already?


I meant in a section with only misbehaving children and/or the majority of the people around being children as opposed to adults that I would expect to be better examples of how to behave to my kids. I personally don't fly anywhere ($$) so it doesn't actually effect me.



garsyt -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 7:06:38 PM)

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I personally don't fly anywhere ($$) so it doesn't actually effect me.


Us neither. The cost of flying is DOUBLE almost TRIPLE what it would cost us to drive to the few place we really want to go anyway. We'd love to visit family in Texas, but right now the cost to drive AND the cost to fly are both so high that we just stay put. Guess we won't be bugging anyone!

Garsy



SonInMe1 -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 8:57:14 PM)

I would bet...many flight attendants are not parents. The lifestyle would not seem compatable, hence their intrepidation when kids are aboard and their inability to handle them.

As parents, I think in some sence we learn to tune out the bad things our kids do and while they might be offensive to others, we only find them mildly disturbing.

Believe me, I make no excuses for poorly behaving children....anywhere. The grocery store or on a plane if they are old enough to understand no, then they understand how they should act in public.

When we go out, the kids were explained the rules. The rules never changed. No was always no and the kids knew what was acceptable and what was not and when they misbehaved there were consequences.

I don't understand the breast feeding thing in public and probably never will and on a plane? I am sorry but to me if a lady asked if she could breast feed next to me I would suggest...the bathroom for her.

They might just be milk carriers to you, but they are not that to others. I'd take screaming Jimmy over an exposed breast anytime.



garsyt -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 9:53:29 PM)

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They might just be milk carriers to you, but they are not that to others. I'd take screaming Jimmy over an exposed breast anytime.


See! Nursing mother can't win! Because SonInMe doesn't want some one nursing nearby, baby thus screams when taking off, because no airline is going to allow Clag to take her nursing baby to the bathroom (and she shouldn't have too! No one else takes their meals in a bathroom sitting on a toilet!) during those moments, thus the baby cries and ticks off blessedinNYC.
Just using names in the thread - but this surely could represent any number of people of differing opinions on nursing babies and air travel.

Maybe the person that said there should be family only flights is right. But only with sections of the plane set aside for nursing mothers and their families, another section for parents with annoying bratty kids and then a section for parents that have very well behaved children that other travelers don't want to travel with simply because something "might" happen to make a child cry. Oh RC - you'd be welcome on all these flights and maybe gain a whole lot of extra "adopted" grandkids, simply because you take the time and show Christ to not only the kids but to their parents as well!

Blessings,

Garsy



OneOfHisJewels -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/16/2008 10:40:13 PM)

I have actually traveled with books and toys to hand to kids to borrow when they are upset. It has always worked, and the parents always liked it. The last time, though, I forgot, but I still told the mom of the boy sitting behind me that he did well, especially considering he wasn't feeling well, and I told her what I usually do, and she said that was nice, but it was ok I didn't that time, cause due to him not feeling well, it might not have helped anyway.



Annie64 -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/17/2008 12:50:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SonInMe1

I'd take screaming Jimmy over an exposed breast anytime.


You would force a child to go hungry rather than close your eyes for the moment or two it takes the mother to get the child situated?



Marcus. -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/17/2008 1:18:03 AM)

I've found that some flight attendants will actually help reseat families to get them together. Never hurts to ask. [;)] I've also discovered a surefire trick when that fails.

I put the oldest in the middle seat no matter which of us is assigned to it. Then I politely tell him to behave and then let the 2 folks on either side know where I am and that it's ok to scold him if need be. Usually one offers to switch and when I mention I can't because I have my daughter with me, they usually both swap to avoid Daddy's Little Monkey. [:D] And we all get tot sit together. [8D]



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... (8/17/2008 8:15:25 AM)

RC, on my next plane trip, I want our seats to be next to yours! [:D]


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SonInMe1 said...I don't understand the breast feeding thing in public and probably never will and on a plane? I am sorry but to me if a lady asked if she could breast feed next to me I would suggest...the bathroom for her.


Ugh. Any nursing mom could tell you that besides disgusting and unhygenic, an airplane bathroom would be nigh on physically impossible to nurse in.

Secondly, nursing mothers don't generally strip from the waist up to feed our babies. Most of us even use a blanket or covering of some sort. You'd only see anything if you were staring right at her chest. [&:]

Garsy is right. We can't win. [:'(]



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