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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/19/2008 3:51:31 AM
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Oh my stars, lw9, someone just told me you're a woman! Wow, I have to say I'm pretty surprised.
Yes, she said so in post #71 two pages back.
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I'm guessing you don't post much in the Women's Folder?
And I wouldn't blame her at all if she didn't want to, after all of this. 
Oh please, like the men never go at each other? Give me a break, Manda.
And yes, I missed the one line in post 71, I'm so very sorry. I was just surprised is all. Normally it's the men who are the most vehement opposes of women breastfeeding in public.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/19/2008 7:19:16 AM
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Babies usually get use to what they are comfortable with. Wouldn't it be prudent to get your baby use to being covered when you feed them so in public you can be MODEST?
So, what would you do with a 6 month old that pushes the blanket away every time? Should mommy smack him? *I* get claustrophobic with my head under a blanket, and feel like I can't breathe. Some babies can handle a blanket (most of mine did, and I used it) but others may not.
And while it's not about *me* it is most certainly about *my baby*. I'm sorry if that's selfish, but a baby's physical need to me comes way, way before a stranger's personal issues.  I think it is possible for people to distinguish between breasts:sexual and breasts:baby food. I thought it wasn't until my husband explained to me that in his country nobody looks twice at a woman feeding her baby in public (in a way that Americans would consider "immodest"), but a girl who walked down the street topless most certainly *would* get sexual attention. To them, breasts are sexual, but breasts employed in feeding a baby are not. Similarly in many predominantly Muslim countries one might see a woman covered from head to toe, openly breastfeeding her baby in some public place.
I think the baby issue is different from the toddlers/kids issue. I'm a rabid defender of breastfeeding moms.  However, I totally agree that older children absolutely should be kept in check for the sake of others. A toddler or a child can be trained and taught to behave, and their physical needs aren't as immediate or pressing or dependent on mom as an infants. I totally sympathize with folks who've had to endure the bratty behavior of someone's undisciplined child. I think things must be pretty bad, because I often get compliments on my kids good behavior even when *I* think they have been acting up. I'm thinking "If that's 'good behavior', what's bad behavior???"
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/19/2008 9:40:34 AM
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The bible is pretty clear that the little help needed is called the rod and when it's spared you have no peace...
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I do not disagree with you, it is just that I have traveled way more that I ever wanted to on planes and have never found an upset child yet that I could not calm down with a little concern and love. And a side benefit is that it also comes with great gratitude from a frustrated parent.
But again that might just be a grandfather thingy.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/19/2008 9:52:51 AM
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A couple of things come to mind.
1) If you plan to breastfeed on a plane, there is no reason you can't request a window seat and put your traveling companion or your other children between you and the other passengers. Even on Southwest, people with kids board first and you can do the same thing.
2) RC has given examples of what you can do with a kid on a very long flight, but most flights are not that long. And the last one I was on that I mentioned--four hours--was bumpy every once in awhile, so the seatbelt sign was on the entire time. They asked people not to get up unless you had to go to the bathroom. I think most people take shorter flights, not longer ones. (All the more reason to have a kid that can sit still. I would expect a child to get antsy on a 12-hour flight, same as me.)
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/19/2008 12:57:38 PM
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1) If you plan to breastfeed on a plane, there is no reason you can't request a window seat and put your traveling companion or your other children between you and the other passengers. Even on Southwest, people with kids board first and you can do the same thing.
Yup, it works nicely. (although Southwest boards families betweens groups 1 and 2)
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/19/2008 1:07:52 PM
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The only problem with wanting your traveling companion next to you is that sometimes people can't be seated together. I do agree that it's best to at least try and get a window seat with someone you know traveling with you.
The last flight I was on with Nathan was supposed to be well before his bedtime, but it was delayed by over 4 hours due to weather. We didn't even take off until after his bedtime. Breastfeeding saved us (and the nearby passengers).
When we were all stuck sitting on the plane itself waiting for a small window to take off, we could move around a bit, and a toddler girl was sitting in front of us. She and Nathan kept each other entertained, so yet another mark in favor of grouping the kids together!
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/19/2008 10:17:45 PM
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You guys are just not getting it. I don't choose to look. I've been in several public places where I just happen to glance in a certain direction only to see someone trying to latch their child onto their nipple.
That IS your choice. you look... you see... deal with it and move on. Pray for blessings for the mother and child.. Maybe that's why they were allowed to cross your path that specific day.
I don't understand how anyone male or female could be offended by something God created and called beautiful.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/19/2008 11:52:34 PM
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The bible is pretty clear that the little help needed is called the rod and when it's spared you have no peace...
John
I do not disagree with you, it is just that I have traveled way more that I ever wanted to on planes and have never found an upset child yet that I could not calm down with a little concern and love. And a side benefit is that it also comes with great gratitude from a frustrated parent.
But again that might just be a grandfather thingy.
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I'll talk the word of God over personal experience... Since most parents of unruly(I am not talking about simply upset ones) children take exception to people who have the nerve to discipline their own children, let alone have the audacity to deal with theirs...
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/20/2008 8:53:29 AM
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I'll talk the word of God over personal experience... Since most parents of unruly(I am not talking about simply upset ones) children take exception to people who have the nerve to discipline their own children, let alone have the audacity to deal with theirs...
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Wow, the Bible says that a Christian should trash talk the parents and thier children when a child gets upset on an airplane; I must have missed that Scripture, please post it.
How the parents did or did not raise the children will do nothing at the time that the child is our of their element and gets out of sorts. It is too late for the parents to time warp back and retrain their children.
But it is not to late to try and help the children get through a traumatic experience by spending a little time and love to calm them down.
But again that just might be a grandfather thingy.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/20/2008 8:57:40 AM
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Oh please, like the men never go at each other? Give me a break, Manda.
And yes, I missed the one line in post 71, I'm so very sorry. I was just surprised is all. Normally it's the men who are the most vehement opposes of women breastfeeding in public.
I would go a step farther. If a man is "Bothered" by a woman breat feeding in public; then he should go home, lock himself in a closet, and pray and repent until lust leaves him.
If a woman is bothered by it, then she has serious issues and needs to just get over it.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/20/2008 9:00:15 AM
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And the last one I was on that I mentioned--four hours--was bumpy every once in awhile, so the seatbelt sign was on the entire time. They asked people not to get up unless you had to go to the bathroom. I think most people take shorter flights, not longer ones. (All the more reason to have a kid that can sit still. I would expect a child to get antsy on a 12-hour flight, same as me.)
I would think that a child who was "Trained" to a point that they would sit for four hours strapped into a seat in a strange enviroment and be still and silent; would either be abused or catatonic.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/20/2008 9:06:03 AM
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And the last one I was on that I mentioned--four hours--was bumpy every once in awhile, so the seatbelt sign was on the entire time. They asked people not to get up unless you had to go to the bathroom. I think most people take shorter flights, not longer ones. (All the more reason to have a kid that can sit still. I would expect a child to get antsy on a 12-hour flight, same as me.)
I would think that a child who was "Trained" to a point that they would sit for four hours strapped into a seat in a strange enviroment and be still and silent; would either be abused or catatonic.
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LOL So true
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/20/2008 11:39:55 AM
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Oh please, like the men never go at each other? Give me a break, Manda.
And yes, I missed the one line in post 71, I'm so very sorry. I was just surprised is all. Normally it's the men who are the most vehement opposes of women breastfeeding in public.
I think the women here are worse about that (going at each other....sometimes quite badly).
Women here can be cruel and bull-headed, and I have known it to keep some women out of women's, and I understand, although I don't think Christian women need to get to that point with other Christian women. And most of the time (I see) it's all for the sake of "I'm right; you're wrong" with an opinion that's not even worth causing that kind of raucous...and something where there IS no right or wrong for everyon. (Yes, I know men can be cruel too, but I haven't seen much of that happening here...and I'm glad for that.)
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/20/2008 11:54:37 AM
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/20/2008 11:58:41 AM
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Wow, the Bible says that a Christian should trash talk the parents and thier children when a child gets upset on an airplane; I must have missed that Scripture, please post it.
First we have to find where anyone mentioned trashing talking anyone, other than yourself... By all means explain how mentioning parents of unruly children taking issue with people who do discipline their children is "trashing talking" them. Or the fact they don't deal with their own... Not to mention I don't recall simply talking about a "upset" child...
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How the parents did or did not raise the children will do nothing at the time that the child is our of their element and gets out of sorts. It is too late for the parents to time warp back and retrain their children.
It's never too late for the parents to take control...
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But it is not to late to try and help the children get through a traumatic experience by spending a little time and love to calm them down.
I wasn't aware that a plane ride traumatic experience...
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But again that just might be a grandfather thingy.
That's clouds your judgment regarding unruly children and their parents that don't care if they children rule their parents? Or has you turning unruly children into upset ones...
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/20/2008 12:46:28 PM
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There is no worse misery than being in a confined space from which you cannot escape with a fussy or misbehaving child.
I'll agree that it is pretty hard to be in a confined space with a misbehaving child...but fussiness doesn't bother me. Why is it excrutiating to be on a plane with a child who is fussing?
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/20/2008 1:23:23 PM
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If by fussy you mean crying, then I agree with babbred (on the fussing part, not on breastfeeding). I love my son more then my own life, but still wouldn't want to be in an enclosed space with him crying or screaming for any legnthy period of time ... or any time at all, really.
And if the child in question isn't my own, well, then that can be worse or better depending on how you look at it. Worse, because you don't have any maternal feelings for the child in question, better because at least it's not your kid who is raising such a racket.
A crying child creates certain hormonal reactions in any adult. We're designed to react to crying children, and when you can't stop the crying or get away from it, that creates a tremendous amount of stress in the human body. It's how God created us. Mothers who are used to hearing their children cry may learn how to adjust, just like we learn how to tune out obnoxious toys, but most other folks are still dealing with that tremendous physical stress brought on by a crying child.
Plus you can't sleep or read your book when a baby is screaming... Best you can do is put on the headphones and try to block it out the best you can.
It is funny though at a restaurant, when there's ten or so little kids in the seating area, you just know one of them is going to act up or start crying. And once one inevitably does, I'm just so happy that it isn't my kid who's disturbing others, that I don't seem to mind at all. 
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/20/2008 1:58:18 PM
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Wow, the Bible says that a Christian should trash talk the parents and thier children when a child gets upset on an airplane; I must have missed that Scripture, please post it.
First we have to find where anyone mentioned trashing talking anyone, other than yourself... By all means explain how mentioning parents of unruly children taking issue with people who do discipline their children is "trashing talking" them. Or the fact they don't deal with their own... Not to mention I don't recall simply talking about a "upset" child...
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How the parents did or did not raise the children will do nothing at the time that the child is our of their element and gets out of sorts. It is too late for the parents to time warp back and retrain their children.
It's never too late for the parents to take control...
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But it is not to late to try and help the children get through a traumatic experience by spending a little time and love to calm them down.
I wasn't aware that a plane ride traumatic experience...
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But again that just might be a grandfather thingy.
That's clouds your judgment regarding unruly children and their parents that don't care if they children rule their parents? Or has you turning unruly children into upset ones...
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John, I am not going to get into a food fight with anyone over this topic.
If Children are bing unruly on a plane and their parinet cannot or will not appease them; then what is the world is wrong with a Christian showing the love of God toward the children and their parnets by helping them with the child?
The same thing happens in Chruch; so what to do; send the child and the parent out of the sanctuary, condemn the mother for not raising her child appropriatly, duct tape the mouth of the child or what???
I usually just stop teaching, go and pick up the child and hold them close while calming them. sometimes I carry the child back to the pulpit and finish the sermon whilde holding the child. That is very similiar to what I do on a plane.
I just do not see why that so many folks want to diss the parents instead sf showling the love of Christ by helping soneone who is obviously in distress.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/20/2008 2:02:12 PM
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I feel it necessary to point out that even the best parent will have a misbehaving child at times.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/20/2008 2:17:24 PM
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And the last one I was on that I mentioned--four hours--was bumpy every once in awhile, so the seatbelt sign was on the entire time. They asked people not to get up unless you had to go to the bathroom. I think most people take shorter flights, not longer ones. (All the more reason to have a kid that can sit still. I would expect a child to get antsy on a 12-hour flight, same as me.)
I would think that a child who was "Trained" to a point that they would sit for four hours strapped into a seat in a strange enviroment and be still and silent; would either be abused or catatonic.
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RC, I think you know me better than that!
I don't expect children to be catatonic. I even tolerate periods of fussy behavior--if the parent is attempting to rectify the situation. I do expect parents to make sure their children aren't out of control, throwing temper tantrums, throwing objects, climbing over seats, kicking seats, etc. I should think children would be able to play quietly with toys or video games or read books or listen to music or have a snack, etc. That's what I was saying...on a short flight this shouldn't be difficult. On the long flights you mentioned, I would expect children to get antsy.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/20/2008 2:20:23 PM
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If Children are bing unruly on a plane and their parinet cannot or will not appease them; then what is the world is wrong with a Christian showing the love of God toward the children and their parnets by helping them with the child?
If the parent needs help and welcomes it, and the Christian in question is good with children, nothing. But caring for a someone else's child is not every random stranger's responsibility. It's primarily the responsibility of the parents. And, some parents don't welcome people they don't know stepping in.
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The same thing happens in Chruch; so what to do; send the child and the parent out of the sanctuary, condemn the mother for not raising her child appropriatly, duct tape the mouth of the child or what???
In our church, if a child starts acting up, most of the parents are responsible enough to take them out to the narthex themselves. In the rare instance they aren't, an usher usually asks if they would please step out for a moment.
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I usually just stop teaching, go and pick up the child and hold them close while calming them. sometimes I carry the child back to the pulpit and finish the sermon whilde holding the child. That is very similiar to what I do on a plane.
As I mentioned above, that's nice if you want to do it, and it's welcomed. If I were a parent in the plane situation though, I'm not sure I'd allow some man I didn't know to pick up and cuddle my kid.
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I just do not see why that so many folks want to diss the parents instead sf showling the love of Christ by helping soneone who is obviously in distress.
I haven't seen anyone here "diss" parents in general, just those that are inconsiderate of people around them.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/20/2008 2:29:56 PM
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