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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 10:17:53 PM
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PaleHawkWoman
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But I should not have to feel stressed out over the fact that my 3 month old is gonna cry (and did for a short period) because she got hungry. I was at the time nursing her and I got dirty looks from a flight attendant and the person I got stuck sitting next to (because of course they split my husband and I up ). I was completely nervous of showing some of my chest and offending the man sitting next to me...it was horrible...
Most passengers do not mind switching seats where families are concerned, if asked. The flight attendants are usually happy to assist with this as well. When my children were little, we flew once or twice a year and I usuallt took the red-eye as it was less crowded and the children could sleep. When nursing, I made sure to have an appropriate cover such as a thin crib blanket or baby bathsheet to cover myself with so as to avoid offending anyone by exposing myself.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 10:28:56 PM
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I would bet...many flight attendants are not parents. The lifestyle would not seem compatable, hence their intrepidation when kids are aboard and their inability to handle them.
Actually, SonInMe, quite a few flight attendants are married and have children. Most flight crews work 2-3 days out of the week or are gone 2 days and home for 3-4 days, so the couples work out a routine which suits them and the children seem to do alright. One friend of mine is a single mom who lives with her 2 teenagers and her mother(the mother is disabled but still ambulatory). It works out well for all of them, plus she gets passes for them to fly free on stand-by status once a year, as well as deep discounts for hotels and rental cars.
Back in 1958 when my parents got married, all flight attendants were female and were forced to resign upon their marriage. So my mother became a housewife... unfortunately my father, who was an airline captain, still acted like he was single which was what eventually led to their divorce 4 yrs later.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 10:38:53 PM
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But I should not have to feel stressed out over the fact that my 3 month old is gonna cry (and did for a short period) because she got hungry. I was at the time nursing her and I got dirty looks from a flight attendant and the person I got stuck sitting next to (because of course they split my husband and I up ). I was completely nervous of showing some of my chest and offending the man sitting next to me...it was horrible...
Most passengers do not mind switching seats where families are concerned, if asked. The flight attendants are usually happy to assist with this as well.
This has been my experience. I've flown quite a bit with small children, and it wasn't always a cake walk, but if it was obvious I was trying to be considerate of the other passengers, they were very nice and tried to work with me. Of course sometimes there is a jerk. That's life.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/24/2008 10:53:45 PM
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If your child can't understand sit down and behave then maybe they should be at home learning that instead of flying somewhere irritating the rest of the population? I am sick and tired of seeing out of control kids doing anything and everything they please with an adult either sitting or standing right by their side and doing nothing to teach the child proper manners, approp. behavior, etc for the environment they are in.
If a child is crying because they aren't feeling well, or they are hungry, that is one thing, and perfectly natural. Cries don't irritate me...but willful rude behavior including hitting, spitting, punching in the stomach and laughing about it while an adult is right there by them...I think such families should be banned from flying...and other public places where this is happening.
FAA rules DO allow pilots the option to make an unscheduled stop at the closest airport to offload passengers with unruly children due to the saftey risk that badly behaving children pose such as messing with cabin door latches, knocking hot beverages in other passengers' laps, interferingwith the flight crew, running up and down the aisles and climbing over seats and let's not forget the "road rage" factor in other passengers. I can't tell the number of times I wanted to take a belt and whup the fire out of not only the badly-behaving children but their idiot parents as well. My kids would look at these other kids, knowing that if they acted like that I would take them to the back and administer a spanking that they would not soon forget.
If we were seated separately,I would arrange with the flight attendants and other passengers to swich seats so we could all sit in adjoining seats(1 adult, 4 kids). Each child had a backpack with books, toys, games, and snacks. I watched over them very carefully so as to head off any problems and also to make sure they were not bothered by other passengers. I usually took the red-eye flights so they would sleep most of the way, but sometimes we had to take day flights. I was always prepared.
There were several occasions when someother child would see one of my kids playing with a toy or eating a snack and throw a hissy fit because they wanted it. One little boy, about age 4, actually attacked my then 5-yr-old eldest son to take his toy. I immediately intervened and was then attacked by the child's mother, who said that my kid needed to learn to share his toys. I called the flight attendant, who resolved the issue by warning the other woman that if her child attacked mine again that she and her son would be put off the plane at the next airport and not allowed back on that airlines for at least a year, not to mention the legal issues that would result (any crime committed on an airplane is a federal felony offense). The other mother started cussing the flight attendant out, and an older gentleman(ex-military) told her that she was making a huge fool of herself and should be ashamed of the example she was setting for her child. The problems continued and the badly-behaved mother and child were put off at the next stop. The whole plane actually cheered.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/25/2008 5:34:26 PM
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I guess I could say the same thing to rude parents who choose not to control their kids, then get offended if I give precious little Brytenney Jayne a dirty look when she kicks my chair for the 900th time, after I've asked her to please stop.
Exactly.
How about instead of giving a child (misbehaving or not) a 'dirty look' you take up your problem with the parent, in a kind Christian manner? Giving a kid a dirty look sure won't get the situation rectified...it's not like by scowling at the kid whose undisciplined that that child will all of a sudden have a change of heart about kicking your chair...
Does that not seem obvious to everyone?
She clearly stated in her post that she did ask for the behavior to stop. The parent was not unaware of her state. I'd be giving a few grumpy looks too if I asked for the child to stop and the parent did nothing.
Christians are not doormats, and if you ask the child to stop, in full hearing of the parents and the child continues to kick you, then taking it up with the flight attendants is probably the next step. But it's only human to give a few dirty looks at that point.
And we're not talking about crying or bad behavior that lasts 5 minutes before the parent can control the situation, these people are talking about stuff that goes on quite a bit longer then that.
She asked the child...she should have asked the parent and if the parent refused then take it up with the flight attendant. Asking a child 'in full hearing' of the parent is just passive aggressive behavior. Why not give the parent a chance to discipline their own child?
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I think this is very key. Americans also have a love affair with doing what they want, when they want regardless of whether their children are capable of doing it with them. No matter how much we'd like to deny it, life is a bunch of trade-offs. Have an infant or toddler? Then perhaps it isn't wise to do every single thing that you did before (and will be able to do again later). But if you do refuse to limit your activities, at least have the decency to not be outraged if the rest of us aren't pleased as Punch to have to sit next to you or your darling angels in a confined space.
I know plenty of parents that don't limit their behavior once they have kids...but not all of us are like that. And I know that my husband and I personally don't take our kids out to nice restaurants when it's possible that they'll have a melt down (because of skipping a nap or something like that). And of course life is a bunch of trade offs...if you don't stick your kids on some kind of schedule and insist on parading them out and about with you when they clearly are hungry/tired/whatever then blow ups and meltdowns are going to happen...but my husband and I don't parent that way and we try our hardest to keep our kids on schedule when it's reasonably possible to do so (though at the moment we're on the road for my dh's job and will be away from home for another week...making the total of our driving trip away 3 weeks...and you know what? Our girls have done fantastically, though they're slightly off schedule! They've done so well because we've taken the time to train them to listen to us and we give them grace for those hard times.)
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Actually, a special quiet section sounds like it may be a possible solution. That way, parents won't feel that their kids are being isolated because some grumpy person expects them to act up. The person who wants quiet is the one who gets isolated.
BTW, I still don't think a special kids section is a horrible idea if it's done to make flying more kid-friendly, not less. That is, done for the sake of the kids, not for the sake of those who don't want to be bothered by them.
I like that...isolate the 'old soreheads'!  If the section made plane flying more kid friendly it would be a blessing...but that's not what's going to happen, imo.
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RE: Special "Children's" Section on Planes... - 8/29/2008 3:43:33 AM
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When I posted my scenario about my brother and the need to travel with children sometimes, I was thinking that giving grace to people and assuming that there was a reason they had their kid on the plane was something we as Christians should be doing. I still think that.
I also meant to allude to something else that I didn't quite make clear: there are many parents who have no experience with flying. A child who is prepared for what he or she will experience will often behave better. But how can a child be prepared if the parents don't have any idea what's coming themselves?
My point is that we need to give people grace. A stranger may be flying with a child because they are selfish and are not taking their child's age and development into consideration. But why assume that? Why not assume that they do have a good reason?
But I still don't think a special kid's section is a bad idea, if it's made into a very kid-friendly place. Not everybody is going to give grace just because I think it's a good idea, and it would keep kids away from people who may not be the best kind of people to have kids around, such as drunken passengers.
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