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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/20/2008 1:15:21 PM
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tafkam
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What's the story? Whoever's ahead in the polls just after Labor Day is the likely winner?
Is that correct?
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/20/2008 1:24:02 PM
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And whether Kruschev felt he was a lightweight or not, the CMC did end with the Soviets backing down from the US position.
But not until AFTER Kennedy removed our missles from Turkey which was arguably Kruschev's goal from the beginning.
That was the fifteen Jupiter missiles deployed at Izmar,Turkey, which Kennedy had already ordered removed nearly nine months earlier, right?
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/21/2008 8:03:08 PM
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I was a little confused by McCain's answer to the supreme court justices he would not have nominated to the SC. In his answer to this, McCain said he would not have nominated Breyer and Ginsburg - but he voted in favor of Breyer, Ginsburg and Souter for that matter, back during the Clinton and Bush I eras. His words do not match his history.
But then again, I forgot, McCain is from that magical moral party where you are exempt from having to explain this...
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/21/2008 8:09:35 PM
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I was a little confused by McCain's answer to the supreme court justices he would not have nominated to the SC. In his answer to this, McCain said he would not have nominated Breyer and Ginsburg - but he voted in favor of Breyer, Ginsburg and Souter for that matter, back during the Clinton and Bush I eras. His words do not match his history.
No, McCain's words have the benefit of hindsight.
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But then again, I forgot, McCain is from that magical moral party where you are exempt from having to explain this...
Where has anyone claimed that? Most of the discussion regarding McCain in any of these threads seem to clearly point out that he would not have been the preferred candidate among evangelicals. Most of his supporters have generally been quite candid about his short-comings.
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Indeed!
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/21/2008 8:15:42 PM
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I was a little confused by McCain's answer to the supreme court justices he would not have nominated to the SC. In his answer to this, McCain said he would not have nominated Breyer and Ginsburg - but he voted in favor of Breyer, Ginsburg and Souter for that matter, back during the Clinton and Bush I eras. His words do not match his history.
No, McCain's words have the benefit of hindsight.
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But then again, I forgot, McCain is from that magical moral party where you are exempt from having to explain this...
Where has anyone claimed that? Most of the discussion regarding McCain in any of these threads seem to clearly point out that he would not have been the preferred candidate among evangelicals. Most of his supporters have generally been quite candid about his short-comings.
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Peace and God bless,
Indeed!
1) Well, I thought people mostly vote on past actions. Not only did McCain vote for the appointments of Ginsburg, Breyer and Souter, but he's publicly stated that abortions be legal only in cases of rape, incest, mother's life endangered (a stance I agree with, but is at odds with the Republican platform); and he publicly stated he would not rule out pro-choice vps. I see no hindsight in that. What I see is mixed messages.
2)  Well, I bet there are A LOT more about Obama's supposed short-comings.
3) Indeed
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/23/2008 12:12:43 AM
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Well scripture says we all have an appointed time, and what about accidents, crime, wars, natural disasters and so on. It just was not a smart response.
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One of the most outrageous statements Bo said was when Rick Warren ask him about Orphans. The BO said something about improving health care reducing the number of orphans Uh what? Kind of like reducing the number of abortions plan.
What's wrong with that?
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/23/2008 12:57:08 AM
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Well scripture says we all have an appointed time, and what about accidents, crime, wars, natural disasters and so on. It just was not a smart response.
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One of the most outrageous statements Bo said was when Rick Warren ask him about Orphans. The BO said something about improving health care reducing the number of orphans Uh what? Kind of like reducing the number of abortions plan.
What's wrong with that?
-Dan.
It may not have been a complete response (i.e. it didn't address what to do with orphans once they were already orphaned), but it's a plenty smart response - isn't it better to treat the problem (disease, war, famine, crime, etc) than to just treat the symptom?
Committing now to a plan to take care of orphans would have been premature, because there are likely a number of factors that he hasn't yet been able to consider.
Try evaluating what he's actually saying w/o filtering it through some pre-conceived notion.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/23/2008 12:59:50 AM
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I was a little confused by McCain's answer to the supreme court justices he would not have nominated to the SC. In his answer to this, McCain said he would not have nominated Breyer and Ginsburg - but he voted in favor of Breyer, Ginsburg and Souter for that matter, back during the Clinton and Bush I eras. His words do not match his history.
But then again, I forgot, McCain is from that magical moral party where you are exempt from having to explain this...
Peace and God bless,
We finally agree. You are confused.
McCain has taken the traditional view that the President gets to put his jurors on the bench as long as they are not incompetent. And than includes those he disagrees with. That doesn't mean he would appoint them himself.
Why are you obsessed with attacking pro-life people, even if they are not sufficiently pro-life, but give a pass to those who want it legal to suck the brains out of babies?
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/23/2008 3:42:20 PM
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Well to be honest iluvatar, it seemed like a response, that BO, did not know how to answer. Kind of just say something, anything. It would have been better to say " Rick, orphans, are a much neclected issue, thank you for bringing the issue to light, I will look into ways we in the Goverment can better deal with this situation." Orphans are the here and know factor, and honestly not something, as far as the goverment, I have thought much about. I have on a basis of Christanity, but not like I have said a govermental basis. I do not think I had preconcieved notions, I just thought it to be a flim-flam answer , like the less pregnancy issue, as far as goverment. Give me meat instead of milk.
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Well scripture says we all have an appointed time, and what about accidents, crime, wars, natural disasters and so on. It just was not a smart response.
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ORIGINAL: lightshineon
One of the most outrageous statements Bo said was when Rick Warren ask him about Orphans. The BO said something about improving health care reducing the number of orphans Uh what? Kind of like reducing the number of abortions plan.
What's wrong with that?
-Dan.
It may not have been a complete response (i.e. it didn't address what to do with orphans once they were already orphaned), but it's a plenty smart response - isn't it better to treat the problem (disease, war, famine, crime, etc) than to just treat the symptom?
Committing now to a plan to take care of orphans would have been premature, because there are likely a number of factors that he hasn't yet been able to consider.
Try evaluating what he's actually saying w/o filtering it through some pre-conceived notion.
-Dan.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/23/2008 5:04:41 PM
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Agreed, John McCain beleives, and rightly so, that a President should be able to pick who he wishes for judicial appointments. As much as I disagree with the lieks of Ginsburg, there is no doubt that she was imminently qualified to serve on the SC.
Unfortunately, the Democrats have felt no real need to extend the same courtesy to President Bush, ergo the fighting and war of words over the nominations and appointments of Roberts and Alito...
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/23/2008 5:17:57 PM
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I was a little confused by McCain's answer to the supreme court justices he would not have nominated to the SC. In his answer to this, McCain said he would not have nominated Breyer and Ginsburg - but he voted in favor of Breyer, Ginsburg and Souter for that matter, back during the Clinton and Bush I eras. His words do not match his history.
But then again, I forgot, McCain is from that magical moral party where you are exempt from having to explain this...
Peace and God bless,
We finally agree. You are confused.
McCain has taken the traditional view that the President gets to put his jurors on the bench as long as they are not incompetent. And than includes those he disagrees with. That doesn't mean he would appoint them himself.
Why are you obsessed with attacking pro-life people, even if they are not sufficiently pro-life, but give a pass to those who want it legal to suck the brains out of babies?
What did I tell you? Making excuses for this blaring blemish on McCain's history once again. Please! Ljmac - McCain voted to approve Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer - there were other Republicans that did NOT - THOSE are the FACTS no matter how much you dance around this issue.
Again, I don't blindly follow a party like you apparently do. I ask hard questions when I vote, take it very seriously and I do my homework. You don't like it? Fine, continue blindly following the Republicans. I refuse - I vote on policies. And if you're in kitchen like McCain is, you gotta take the heat on your history - it's fair game. If you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/23/2008 10:58:52 PM
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Lizahana
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What did I tell you? Making excuses for this blaring blemish on McCain's history once again. Please! Ljmac - McCain voted to approve Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer - there were other Republicans that did NOT - THOSE are the FACTS no matter how much you dance around this issue.
Again, I don't blindly follow a party like you apparently do. I ask hard questions when I vote, take it very seriously and I do my homework. You don't like it? Fine, continue blindly following the Republicans. I refuse - I vote on policies. And if you're in kitchen like McCain is, you gotta take the heat on your history - it's fair game. If you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.
Correction - you always ask hard questions of one candidate - the other gets a pass. 
Well, on one issue, Jack, McCain seems to get a free pass around here - I think this should be noted. And this issue, abortion, seems to be the only one of concern. If you're going to wear the pro-life crown, you had better have the goods, the history, to stand behind it. To say otherwise is ridiculous and you know it. If you don't have a perfect pro-life record, and if you don't want to be criticized for it, don't sit on your high horse and expect to not take heat from it. And 'if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.'
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/24/2008 12:07:27 AM
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Well, on one issue, Jack, McCain seems to get a free pass around here - I think this should be noted. And this issue, abortion, seems to be the only one of concern. If you're going to wear the pro-life crown, you had better have the goods, the history, to stand behind it. To say otherwise is ridiculous and you know it. If you don't have a perfect pro-life record, and if you don't want to be criticized for it, don't sit on your high horse and expect to not take heat from it. And 'if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.'
Like I said Liz, you apply strict scrutiny to one candidate, and that belies your complete hypocrisy - when I see your concern evenly applied, it will hold some water - otherwise it's only posturing.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/24/2008 12:21:41 AM
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Well, on one issue, Jack, McCain seems to get a free pass around here - I think this should be noted. And this issue, abortion, seems to be the only one of concern. If you're going to wear the pro-life crown, you had better have the goods, the history, to stand behind it. To say otherwise is ridiculous and you know it. If you don't have a perfect pro-life record, and if you don't want to be criticized for it, don't sit on your high horse and expect to not take heat from it. And 'if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.'
Like I said Liz, you apply strict scrutiny to one candidate, and that belies your complete hypocrisy - when I see your concern evenly applied, it will hold some water - otherwise it's only posturing.
1. By saying this, Jack, you're side-tracking the fact that McCain does not have a perfect track record when it comes to being pro-life - and by this, I mean not only his Congressional record - which is rated 66% by the yard stick nrlc.org, but also when it comes to SCJ nominations, having supported the nominations of Breyer, Ginsburg and Souter - of which McCain supported all of them.
2. I nit-pick on this with McCain because most here think that he's the ideal candidate on being anti-abortion when in fact he has flaws on this issue, and you apparently do not want see this for some reason, nor do you want to address this fact.
3. And so, you're turning the aforementioned on me - rather than addressing these inadequacies of McCain. So, rather than addressing McCain's history - which can be easily proven, you say I am posturing.
Peace and God bless,
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/24/2008 3:47:10 AM
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What did I tell you? Making excuses for this blaring blemish on McCain's history once again. Please! Ljmac - McCain voted to approve Souter, Ginsburg and Breyer - there were other Republicans that did NOT - THOSE are the FACTS no matter how much you dance around this issue.
The facts surrounding Advice and Consent are no less real and apparent as John McCain's vote... Some folks uphold the idea that a judge being competent or incompetence isn't based how that feel or how they may vote on any given subject but rather if how they go about doing competent. A judge's performance can't be based solely on the outcome of a vote, since how they get there is very important as well.. Are the facts surrounding the various views of Advice and Consent part of your homework?
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/24/2008 4:04:19 AM
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1. By saying this, Jack, you're side-tracking the fact that McCain does not have a perfect track record when it comes to being pro-life - and by this, I mean not only his Congressional record - which is rated 66% by the yard stick nrlc.org, but also when it comes to SCJ nominations, having supported the nominations of Breyer, Ginsburg and Souter - of which McCain supported all of them.
What's Mr. Obama's rating?
Well... Since I doubt I will get the answer... I check for myself
Sen. Obama received the following scores on NARAL Pro-Choice America's Congressional Record on Choice.
* 2007: 100 percent
* 2006: 100 percent
* 2005: 100 percent
Guess what...
Obama scores 0% by the NRLC on abortion issues
For the Record...
Joe Biden scores 0% by the NRLC on abortion issues
Joe Biden scores 36% by NARAL on pro-choice voting record
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2. I nit-pick on this with McCain because most here think that he's the ideal candidate on being anti-abortion when in fact he has flaws on this issue, and you apparently do not want see this for some reason, nor do you want to address this fact.
I haven't seen much of any claim that Mr. McCain is the "ideal" candidate on the issue of abortion... Sadly Mr.Obama's view of abortion makes McCain seem pro-life... Regardless there are clearly differences in their views regarding abortion...
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3. And so, you're turning the aforementioned on me - rather than addressing these inadequacies of McCain. So, rather than addressing McCain's history - which can be easily proven, you say I am posturing.
I believe it's more a case of you ignoring the history of the other guy, which as well can be easily proven and is generally common knowledge.. Since this isn't a thread about just McCain like the one we were exchanging posts in you are free to mention the other guy...
Btw...
Voting Record:
Sen. McCain has an anti-choice record. He received the following scores on NARAL Pro-Choice America's Congressional Record on Choice.
2007: 0 percent
2006: 0 percent
2005: 0 percent
2004: 0 percent
2003: 0 percent
2002: 0 percent
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/24/2008 4:07:25 AM
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I absolutely LOVED this 'debate'. It made me realize even more why i should vote for McCain.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/24/2008 1:02:13 PM
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Well, on one issue, Jack, McCain seems to get a free pass around here - I think this should be noted. And this issue, abortion, seems to be the only one of concern. If you're going to wear the pro-life crown, you had better have the goods, the history, to stand behind it. To say otherwise is ridiculous and you know it. If you don't have a perfect pro-life record, and if you don't want to be criticized for it, don't sit on your high horse and expect to not take heat from it. And 'if you can't stand the heat, then get out of the kitchen.'
Like I said Liz, you apply strict scrutiny to one candidate, and that belies your complete hypocrisy - when I see your concern evenly applied, it will hold some water - otherwise it's only posturing.
1. By saying this, Jack, you're side-tracking the fact that McCain does not have a perfect track record when it comes to being pro-life - and by this, I mean not only his Congressional record - which is rated 66% by the yard stick nrlc.org, but also when it comes to SCJ nominations, having supported the nominations of Breyer, Ginsburg and Souter - of which McCain supported all of them.
2. I nit-pick on this with McCain because most here think that he's the ideal candidate on being anti-abortion when in fact he has flaws on this issue, and you apparently do not want see this for some reason, nor do you want to address this fact.
3. And so, you're turning the aforementioned on me - rather than addressing these inadequacies of McCain. So, rather than addressing McCain's history - which can be easily proven, you say I am posturing.
Peace and God bless,
1. McCain's "congressional record" cannont be reduced to three votes out of hundreds in an honest debate.
2. Name or quote someone who has said that McCain is the "ideal candidate" on abortion. You're making that up.
3. McCain's "inadequacies" have been well discussed here. It's just that they fade to nothing when compared to the alternative.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/24/2008 6:13:51 PM
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1. By saying this, Jack, you're side-tracking the fact that McCain does not have a perfect track record when it comes to being pro-life - and by this, I mean not only his Congressional record - which is rated 66% by the yard stick nrlc.org, but also when it comes to SCJ nominations, having supported the nominations of Breyer, Ginsburg and Souter - of which McCain supported all of them.
2. I nit-pick on this with McCain because most here think that he's the ideal candidate on being anti-abortion when in fact he has flaws on this issue, and you apparently do not want see this for some reason, nor do you want to address this fact.
3. And so, you're turning the aforementioned on me - rather than addressing these inadequacies of McCain. So, rather than addressing McCain's history - which can be easily proven, you say I am posturing.
Again Liz, if abortion is sincerely a concern of yours, and you sincerely, "take it very seriously and do your homework", then we would expect that you would be criticallly analyzing both candidates on the issue - but you aren't, and so there is little reason to believe you are sincere.
None, actually.
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