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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/18/2008 7:06:07 PM
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GroupW
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I think I've just been called an egghead. 
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/18/2008 7:16:34 PM
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Jhud
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Trying to keep this in perspective, however, this saddleback forum debate thing was for white evanglical Christians. The GOP gets about 80 percent of their vote in presidential elections. The crowd was nice and polite to Obama, but he knows and they know he probably won't even put a dent in that number, no matter what he answered. Oh he'll get the black vote (about 12 percent) and the eggheads and a couple of young folks, but in the end, he won't win 10 states. I think he wasted his time the other night.
Well considering it was broadcast on every major news network (at least once if not twice) to Americans of every stripe, perhaps he might have put in a little more effort.
Or does he only perform well in front of adoring crowds of Europeans?
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/18/2008 7:53:51 PM
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Well considering it was broadcast on every major news network (at least once if not twice) to Americans of every stripe, perhaps he might have put in a little more effort.
Short of spouting evangelical talkiing points which would make Obama look phoney and insincere, there was little he could do to "win over" a mostly conservative audience. It would be like expecting McCain to shine when he spoke to the NAACP. IMO, he was honest about his positions even when he knew the audience he was speaking to wouldn't like what he said.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/18/2008 8:12:53 PM
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GroupW
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I've been called worse. Plus, if you look around at all of us that used to be geeks in school, most of us seem to be doing fairly well. After all, does any one really think Bill Gates was one of the cool kids?
Long live the eggheads! I shall wear the label with pride.
And maybe a pocket protector.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/18/2008 8:24:00 PM
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So why was Obama so flustered when asked this question? I'm almost starting to believe what some of you ObamaHaters say about him being lost without a teleprompter. Almost.
Well, why was he so flustered over a question you acknowledge was obviously going to 'be on the test'?
i'm clueless.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/18/2008 8:27:43 PM
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Jhud
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Short of spouting evangelical talkiing points which would make Obama look phoney and insincere, there was little he could do to "win over" a mostly conservative audience. It would be like expecting McCain to shine when he spoke to the NAACP. IMO, he was honest about his positions even when he knew the audience he was speaking to wouldn't like what he said.
But when you have a half a dozen news outlets broadcating your remarks live to the country, your goal should be to win over the audience out there, not go for applause lines.
The thing I have to admit that even when he's inarticulate on a point, Obama sounds good - it's when you look at it a second time that you go, "Wha....?"
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/18/2008 8:39:11 PM
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saved9201
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Or does he only perform well in front of adoring crowds of Europeans?
He only performs well in front of adoring crowds of Europeans.
Who apparently voted in the democratic primary which he won. Who apparently are targeted in national polls which he is ahead. Who apparently are all part of the American mainstream news media, who some of you claim adore him. Who apparently keep sending him lotsalotsa euro dollars cause his campaign fund is loaded.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/18/2008 8:43:02 PM
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Jhud
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Who apparently voted in the democratic primary which he won. Who apparently are targeted in national polls which he is ahead. Who apparently are all part of the American mainstream news media, who some of you claim adore him. Who apparently keep sending him lotsalotsa euro dollars cause his campaign fund is loaded.
Which is exactly why I support more better enforcement of immigration laws.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/18/2008 9:22:55 PM
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Trying to keep this in perspective, however, this saddleback forum debate thing was for white evanglical Christians. The GOP gets about 80 percent of their vote in presidential elections.
They won't this time.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/18/2008 9:59:59 PM
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mcCain keeps moving his own goalposts, pandering to the right-to-life crowd because that is what they want to hear and he needs their votes to stand a chance - but follow his words closely and you find that he's double-talking his own positions.
I agree, which makes me wonder why some here who are staunchly pro-life aren't more alarmed by McCain's support of stem cell research.
Because next to Mr. Obama he looks extremely pro-life... The contrast is such that even John McCain's lackluster support for the unborn is like a beacon of hope... What's sad is those who support Mr. Obama don't see this as a grave issue... How sad...
John
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/18/2008 10:12:13 PM
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But when you have a half a dozen news outlets broadcating your remarks live to the country, your goal should be to win over the audience out there, not go for applause lines.
What could he have done or said, other than completely flip flop on the issue of abortion, to win them over?
And by the way, the NAACP has no credibility, black evangelicals have no credibility - no group has as much credibility with the people Obama needs to win, than white conservative evangelical Christians. Obama never had them and he never will.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/18/2008 10:13:35 PM
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But when you have a half a dozen news outlets broadcating your remarks live to the country, your goal should be to win over the audience out there, not go for applause lines.
What could he have done or said, other than completely flip flop on the issue of abortion, to win them over?
And by the way, the NAACP has no credibility, black evangelicals have no credibility - no group has as much credibility with the people Obama needs to win, than white conservative evangelical Christians. Obama never had them and he never will.
- Julius
And why should he? He gives them no reason...
John
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/19/2008 9:48:07 AM
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Actually there are plenty of people who now believe that it was Kennedy's inexperience that helped cause the Cuban Missile Crisis.
But JFK was not inexperienced.
Like McCain, Kennedy was a Navy war veteran, and was in Congress for 13 years (6 House, 7 Senate) before being elected president in 1960.
And whether Kruschev felt he was a lightweight or not, the CMC did end with the Soviets backing down from the US position.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/19/2008 10:56:26 AM
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That's a legitimate question, but I get the sense that Obama deals more effectively in the realm of ideas where McCain deals in the realm of tactics and tradeoffs. I think you said it earlier in one of your posts - he's an action oriented type of guy. He's more of a soldier's man than a professor's man. I don't mean that in a critical kind of way - just descriptive of two different kinds of intelligence. One is more practical, the other more theoretical.
If Obama, as you say deals more effectively with ideas, then perhaps he would be better qualified, at this point in time, to be an adviser to the President rather than being President. Great thoughts with weak actions can be disatrous.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/19/2008 1:41:00 PM
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That's a legitimate question, but I get the sense that Obama deals more effectively in the realm of ideas where McCain deals in the realm of tactics and tradeoffs. I think you said it earlier in one of your posts - he's an action oriented type of guy. He's more of a soldier's man than a professor's man. I don't mean that in a critical kind of way - just descriptive of two different kinds of intelligence. One is more practical, the other more theoretical.
If Obama, as you say deals more effectively with ideas, then perhaps he would be better qualified, at this point in time, to be an adviser to the President rather than being President. Great thoughts with weak actions can be disatrous.
-Dave
At least it owuld be different from the 'great actions with weak thoughts' we've been enjoying for the past seven years.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/19/2008 2:02:00 PM
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And whether Kruschev felt he was a lightweight or not, the CMC did end with the Soviets backing down from the US position.
And by the time I joined the Navy in 1971, the USSR had a navy that could have taken on not just the US Navy, but NATO's as well. The Soviets HAD to back down in the CMC, but the lesson wasn't lost on them.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/19/2008 7:05:49 PM
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And whether Kruschev felt he was a lightweight or not, the CMC did end with the Soviets backing down from the US position.
But not until AFTER Kennedy removed our missles from Turkey which was arguably Kruschev's goal from the beginning.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/19/2008 7:30:40 PM
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Actually there are plenty of people who now believe that it was Kennedy's inexperience that helped cause the Cuban Missile Crisis.
But JFK was not inexperienced.
Like McCain, Kennedy was a Navy war veteran, and was in Congress for 13 years (6 House, 7 Senate) before being elected president in 1960.
And whether Kruschev felt he was a lightweight or not, the CMC did end with the Soviets backing down from the US position.
At the time we had a Russian who was leaking info that was the major reason JFK stood his ground
John
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/19/2008 9:41:13 PM
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If Obama, as you say deals more effectively with ideas, then perhaps he would be better qualified, at this point in time, to be an adviser to the President rather than being President. Great thoughts with weak actions can be disatrous.
I would much rather have a thoughtful decision maker than what we have experienced over the past eight years...we are, after all, engaged in a war of ideas. Invading Arab home land is gotta be one of the most bone head moves of all time.... Now is John McCain going to avoid the mistakes of the current administration? Basd on what he has said to date, I'm not convinced....but I could still change my mind.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/19/2008 10:11:32 PM
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Jhud
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I would much rather have a thoughtful decision maker than what we have experienced over the past eight years...we are, after all, engaged in a war of ideas. Invading Arab home land is gotta be one of the most bone head moves of all time.... Now is John McCain going to avoid the mistakes of the current administration? Basd on what he has said to date, I'm not convinced....but I could still change my mind.
I agree we are engaged in a war of ideas - but winning such a wa requires in part that one believe that certain ideas are better than others.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/19/2008 11:31:19 PM
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One of the most outrageous statements Bo said was when Rick Warren ask him about Orphans. The BO said something about improving health care reducing the number of orphans Uh what? Kind of like reducing the number of abortions plan.
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/20/2008 6:24:52 AM
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One of the most outrageous statements Bo said was when Rick Warren ask him about Orphans. The BO said something about improving health care reducing the number of orphans Uh what? Kind of like reducing the number of abortions plan.
What's wrong with that?
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RE: Rick Warren to interview candidates - 8/20/2008 12:36:47 PM
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Just noticed this on Yahoo's news:
In a sharp turnaround, Republican John McCain has opened a 5-point lead on Democrat Barack Obama in the U.S. presidential race and is seen as a stronger manager of the economy, according to a Reuters/Zogby poll released on Wednesday.
Coincidence? Who knows....
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